American Government Thread 2: RIP John McCain, 81

Fuck that. Rights to ones Religion should end at the tip of someones nose.

I agree, but hey, it is what it is. Anything else ends up getting the state involved in religion.

No, you really don’t. I think the SCOTUS may weigh in on this in part soon. Don’t take a job doing something you don’t want to do if you don’t want to do that thing. If you need to be a “conscientious objector”, it is your obligation as a doctor to provide your patient a path towards their health success.

As a true Scotsman, I might not like the Irish, but I’ll still do my job towards them.

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Hopefully SCOTUS does rule on it so the whole cake analogy can be buried for good.

There’s no reason that the doctor objecting to abort, euthanase or transition someone cannot give a referral, or recommend alternative treatment.

Both alternatives provide the path to health success you’re looking for.

Yeah, see, I still think that ruling was bullshit to begin with. Unless you are employed by the government, you should have the right to refuse service to anyone. That someone gets their feelings hurt from it is irrelevant. Instead, if someone gets upset over a business’ decisions, they have every right to refuse to do business with them. If enough like-minded people agree with your distaste of their actions, then they’ll feel the burn in their wallet. If not? They aren’t the only game in town, move the fuck on.

I’d get it if, say, said business went around preventing you from getting what you want elsewhere (and no, having to pay out of pocket instead of insurance covering it does not mean they’re preventing anything), you’d have an argument.

Are we gonna go back to this? Just add homos and trannies on there. (rude language used for emphasis)

(Well with Trump and Pence, it’s not too farfetched)

What in the actual fuck. Dogs did nothing wrong.

They shit on the floor.

So do human beings.

lol…shapiro is a trash conservative writer. OTOH, he complains that americans have replaced policy dialogue with culture wars. OTOH, it’s 99% of his shtick for clicks. in any case, of course booker is clowning. i would have clowned on her dumb ass too. everyone saw trump stick the gun in his mouth and pull the trigger. now, you have the WH and the gop either copping pleas or coming down with a case of amnesia to protect an idiot. if she wants to play the nut role and fall on her sword to protect a moron. i’m going to make sure she gets more than a paper cut.


trump’s own chief of staff called trump pledges about the wall “uninformed”. lol…why i never would have guessed, john. i guess it’s better than calling trump a “fucking moron”. anyway, on to more important issues. apparently, the government shutdown is inevitable unless the gop gets their shit together. i didn’t mention trump because 1) he’s to lazy and ignorant to understand policy. all he can do is fuck it up. 2) apparently, explaining policy to trump is like trying to pour an ocean into trump’s fossilized, thimble sized brain. trump constantly vacillates because he doesn’t understand policy. it’s no wonder he’s so malleable.




in any case, the gop was warned the legislative calendar would be tight after their failed healthcare bill, but they choose to piss away negotiation time by continually punting on a long-term spending bill and immigration issues. the gop is trying to pass a short term spending bill using CHIP to entice the democrats to vote for it, but trump shoots himself and his own party in the foot. lol…idiocy isn’t a bug with trump. it’s a feature.


The bold is where I take issue. Nobody has corroborated what happened in the meeting with any tangible evidence, it’s all hearsay, with one side saying yes, the other saying no.

Nielsen was under oath. Of course she’s going to refer back to her original answer. Don’t answer the same question repeatedly. That’s the first advice a lawyer usually gives, far as I read.

She said nothing wrong.

The only people making this about race are the Democrats.

Unless you know something I don’t, that’s not true. They’ve said “I don’t recall”.

aaaand anybody who’s not a fucking moron.

Black people doing silent nonviolent protest… sons of bitches.
African nations… shithole countries.
Nazis… some very nice people.

I have no idea why anybody would think Trump is a racist. I literally got nothing here. :coffee:

Seems unimportant in the scheme of things. We didn’t learn anything anybody outside of the Fox/right wing echo chamber wasn’t already pretty aware of. We have a depressing President, and standards only apply to Democrats. News at 11.

Why does Preppy have a George. W. Bush avatar?

I take offense to that.

Cobra Commander is not nearly as incompetent as Bush.

I know Donnie flat out denied saying it, for starters.

So Booker and Harris are morons. Just as suspected.

Looks to me like you just tried to make an equivalence between race and Africa being a shithole. Moron.

I agree, crying tears of rage over an accurate comparison is unimportant and has no place in a meeting discussing DACA.

I mean you could be right until the next country mentioned (Norway) just happens to lack a whooooole lot of people of darker skin.

In a life and death situation a doctor can’t be a “conscientious objector”, he or she sworn a oath to do no harm.
And someone dying from inaction is still harm.

Like if you are a elected official, you can’t object to things based on Religion, that isn’t your job.
I see it as if Religious belief is keeping you from treating your clientele/patients fairly in your job, you need to resign.
You swore a oath, you are expected to live up to that oath word for word. If you wanted to be a “conscientious objector”, don’t apply to that job.

It also happens to be #1 on the Human Development Index (Haiti is tied with Uganda at #163), have half the unemployment of Haiti, as well as surpass the US in GDP per capita.

Are you implying that these differences between Haiti and Norway are driven by race?

Can’t argue with you about the “numbers”, but we all know that this isn’t strictly about bringing people to the US strictly on merit. Trump’s comment were more than likely gross generalizations that coincidentally follow the index.

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