As somebody who had a QB who seemed injury prone jn his early years, getting sidelined due to a dirty shot isnt the same as random injuries happening.
Thats apples and oranges.
The shot being dirty is debatable. This isnât Street Fighter, people canât alter their trajectory mid air. Wentz was not down when Clowney started going for the hit. Wentz needs to learn to protect himself. RG3 drove me crazy by not sliding and frequently diving head first. You canât help your team from the sideline.
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Can you guys read? Please quote me where I said concussions are the same as getting injured randomly. Good luck finding that, because I never said that.
Wentz puts himself in positions where these types of things can happen to him. Itâs just the way he plays. I mean this play happened on him diving forward. Had he slid, he wouldnât have even been in that position to get hit in the same way.
There is a reason this kinda stuff never happens to Russel Wilson.
There is a reason this stuff happened consistently to RG3, be it freak injuries or concussions.
There is a reason this stuff happens consistently to Jordan Reed, be it freak injuries or concussions.
Again, Wentz is who Wentz is, regardless of the type of injury he has.
Itâs a fact that dude has missed nearly every playoff game his team has been in due to injuries.
The Eagles fucked up giving a large contract to him. As he gets older, chances are itâs going to get worse too, just because that is what happens as you get older.
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The only thing you said that was worth a damn this entire page, was that Wentz puts himself into danger. Thatâs it.
HOWEVER, it doesnât change the fact that Clowney hit him with a cheap shot. That would happen even if he stayed in the pocket doing nothing. The first two injuries? All on him, absolutely no question about it. If he stayed as a pocket QB, those injuries never happen. On this specific play, no, Clowney had more than enough opportunity to not put his own head into the back of Wentzâs. Wentz dove forward, but every other defender would either use two hands to take him down, or go after his midsection.
Itâs not that Clowney hit Wentz at all, heâs entitled to do so. But he blatantly used his head to lead into Wentzâs on the hit. He couldâve easily avoided that, especially due to Wentzâs size. He had more than enough reaction time, especially for an athlete as his level, to pull up his own head if nothing else to avoid a potential penalty.
The Eagles didnât fuck up because the alternative is, rebuild the team from scratch until they get a new QB because Nick Foles is far more injury prone. You get on Wentz for missing playoff games, Nick Foles has never finished a 16 game season in his entire career. Whether because of injury, or because simply heâs not very good when heâs not playing in Philly.
Hereâs the REAL issue that youâre ignoring. Wentz gets injured a lot, sure, Iâll now concede it to you. But so is every other player in Philly. The Eagles finished the year with 4 of their initial 11 Starters on offense. Everyone else, out with injury. Every single starter on the team outside of Kelce missed multiple snaps due to injury, and all but two missed a majority of at least one game due to it (the other beingâŚsomehow Jason Peters who basically has a personal room in the Medical Tent). Every single starting WR out with injury. Only Dallas Goedert avoided injury in the TE. Every single RB missed time with injury, Miles Sanders being the only one who at least played every game but he also missed time. Every single secondary player not named Malcolm Jenkins missed at least one game with injury. Same goes for the Front Seven.
The Eagles the last 3 years have been one of, if not the most injury laden teams in the entire league. At what point does the blame go away from the players, since they arenât all Carson Wentz diving into the middle of danger, and go to the organization itself? Unless you think the Eagles fucked up giving a contract to every living breathing person on the roster?
You are the definition of a strawman.
Keep on arguing against things no one else claimed.
You said Wentz is who is is because he keeps getting hurt and putting himself in danger. You said the Eagles fucked up giving him a big contract due to that.
I finally conceded that youâre right, that he puts himself in danger too much. As for the contract, again, in the last three years you were right. Wentz missed basically the playoffs every year. Also, a good amount of the team joined him on the sidelines. At least two players on the OL have missed the playoffs each year. At least two people in the secondary have missed the playoffs each year. At least one RB has missed the playoffs each year. QB, Front Seven, I can keep going. So again, you call Wentz injury prone and the Eagles stupid for signing him, fine.
I just find it incredibly interesting that he gets singled out, and yet no one bats an eye on the rest of the team falling like dominoes.
Heâs a lot higher profile because heâs your QB, and gets paid a lot more.
In the novel you just wrote, the main parts you responded to me about was talking about Foles, the rest of the players on the Eagles, and the "cheap shot"ness of the hit Clowney put on Wentz.
NONE of those have anything to do with ANYTHING I said.
So keep on keeping Mr. Strawman.
With a bunch of injury incentives in his contract so if he keeps going down this path, he wonât see most of that money (though thatâs shitty for an entirely different reason).
But now youâre ignoring when I am commenting on just the two things you said.
Fine, weâll end it here. Youâve made up your mind, and Iâve made up mine. No reason to waste our time and the threadâs any longer.
I think we can all agree it sucks what happened to Wentz, the young man is one of the better QBs but stuff keeps him from showing it off. I wouldnât even wish this on Goff.
I would wish it on Sam Bradford though that man is a thief and has stolen millions from organizations dumb enough to think they can change him back to his college days when he was able ride a strong team to success.
Bruh, itâs not Samâs fault that idiot GMs kept giving him money. That dude is probably kept together with masking tape at this point.
Believe what you want to believe. I donât understand this, I believe false, assertion that NFL athletes running a full speed can hit targets with pin point accuracy. Itâs nonsense.
The thing is Sam always showed just enough to be that guy that GMs were like âwe can change himâ. Heâd have that one game that would remind everyone âOh THATâS why he went Number 1â. I remember his last year too, that Week 1 game with Minnesota he was absolutely sensational. And then that turned out to be his final game. It was pretty much a microcosm of his career.
As for that, it took me ages to find a full speed clip of the hit for whatever reason so I have to go with this, in the first 45 seconds of the video.
The issue here is that he angled his head down. Not only that he contorted his body in order to angle his head down to initiate contact. Itâs not like most helmet to helmet hits in this situation where the defender goes to make a hit and suddenly the ball carrier is lower than expected and then boom, helmet to helmet. In fact I would argue the angle he took makes zero sense regardless of what Wentz is doing. If Wentz would still be upright and running, Clowney would damn near miss him. The goal should be to open his hips to spread his body out so he can cover both bases and limit the amount of yards Wentz gains regardless of his choice and wrap up cleanly. Instead he angles his body the other way and uses his head as his leading point. Thatâs not just bad in the sense of potentially hurting someone, thatâs just bad football in general.
This is me just running back the full speed clip, because itâs really the only way to fairly judge the play. This isnât the usual bang-bang play. He chose the worst angle and option in general, but got covered by having another defender in front of him allowing himself to tee off a bit.
I dont believe it can happen so it didnt.
Thats not much of an argument. Specially when you have defensive players who avoid tackling QBs and punters so they dont get penalties.
Edit: that hit looks way worse at full speed. Wtf? The dude legit dived at him otherwise he wouldâve just gone over him.
That hit looks dirty as fuck. Fuck the Seahawks, I hope Aaron Rodgers rips them apart. And I hate the Packers.
Calling it now.
Super Bowl:
Ravens VS Seahawks
Im not going to make fun of Eagle fans. Im sure all would be upset right now if that happen to their QB even if it wasnât a dirty hit.
Asking for Clowny for a suspension or kicked out the league is dumb. Especially the death threats. Pretty much every defender will lower their head when they tackle. Think about if you try tackling with your head up, youâll end up breaking your neck. He was already going head first, he doesnât have a yoga teleport to cancel out the dive.
Wentz, RG3, Rapistburger, Lamar Jackson, Turdbisky, Andrew Luck, & Cam Newton are the type of players that like to get those extra yards. They are reckless & dont protect themselves. At that point they already consider runners no qb protection.
Here is a video of the biggest hits this year. Almost 90% put their head down right before they tackle. Some got penalties some didnâtâŚAll of these look way worse than Wentz., is not even comparable. None had suspensions at all, none had this much news media. Its only because its another white qb.
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No, its because he rammed his helmet at the back of the head of another player.
Thatâs was unnecessary. Football is such a great sport and it is surrounded by the most nonsensically dangerous behavior that has no disregard for the safety of other players. Its why Iâd rather watch Rugby. Still get big hits, but at least the officiating isnât shit. On top of that players arenât trying to end each otherâs career every other hit.
NFL is trying to end big hits like its the problem. Big safe tackles are fine. Sometimes you get fruity angles and thatâs part of the game. But that previously posted facemask and other intentional shit should be reprimanded heavily.
Guaranteed that if the NFL started handing people yellow cards like rugby does and removing players for X amount of game time minutes, a lot of that bullshit would end incredibly fast.
Here is one this year when Wilson got hit helmet to helmet. No flag No media outrage no crying.
Of course it didnât get the same reaction. That wasnât a nationally televised game and Wilson came right back in the game after that play. Not much to get outraged about when the damage done is almost non-existant.
I live in Carolina Panther country. Unfortunately there is a difference. Iâve seen Cam take shots that arenât flagged that would be on âotherâ QBs. This example involves my team, the Redskins. Cam was sliding and this wasnât flagged.
https://www.panthers.com/video/cam-newton-helmet-to-helmet-no-call-18303871
Not only did they not flag my team, they threw a flag on Cam
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