i wouldn’t say that justin is the best xvsfer. I’m not a hater. I think justin is the best player. I think hands down justin is the cheapest player. he plays you. he predicts you, he reacts faster, he stays better focused whatever. He results show for it. But is he the best xvsfer? no. Does he play the game or does he play the player?
that guy could probably play chess and merk after he learns the rules just by understanding his opponent fast enough.
To paraphrase:
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STORM IS CHEAP
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STORM IS CHEAP
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CHUN LI IS CHEAP!
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WELL I’M STILL AWESOME! I PLAY BISON/TOOTH. CAN JWONG BEAT ME WITH THAT TEAM? Nuh UUUUH. HE PLAYS CHUN LI AND STORM! ANYBODY CAN PLAY THAT TEAM! IT’S JUST TIERWHORING!
Honestly the only people who think the buck stops there are those who have no realistic chance of winning.
“He doesn’t learn the game, he just plays you and exploits weaknesses inherent to the game itself.”
… wow.
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I fail to see how Justin is a cheap XSFer.
Most of you people saying Justin is a cheap XSFer haven’t even played dude half-recently.
On what basis are you saying he’s cheap?
Good prediction, reaction time, and player-specific strategy are not the marks of a cheap player, sorry.
Neither, frankly, is playing a solid team to win a major.
Is a pro golfer “cheap” because he selects the best clubs he can wield?
Certain individuals here have a multitude of sand in their vaginas.
If justin played vf maybe his legion of nuthuggers would pickup the game and I wouldnt have to wait online for a match
Any “<x> is the best player” is inheritely an internet fanboy argument, competition isn’t about proving to the internet that your the best player, it’s to win the tournament.
You could say Justin is the greatest player that ever lived not named john choi, or you could also say he’s a piece of trash that just goes after the money, who cares? The point is to win the tournament, not to win internet rep.
The question is, why does it take Justin to get to that point, if players truly know the game, they aren’t really that suprised. Maybe to some extent we should be playing for the money more… but I don’t mean money matches.
A lot of people waste time looking for the crazy secret from left field instead of playing the game. The secret is that there is no secret, just get better. If you already play low tier as your main, then go for it, but switching just to beat Justin? why? because it’s somehow impossible to just be a better player?
Now lets look at games he doesn’t win, ST and 3s. In both games he is routinely beat by players that have championship experience, mostly playing standard top tier characters. They are going to play straight up and let the best man win.
Not entirely true on the VF5 statement… I mean, Jwong played Arcana Heart but I don’t see a whole line of people looking to play it.
a shitload of people play ah2 your crazy
Alot of disses on Wong i see…
Anyways…with all the new fighters coming out now lets just see how he does in them. Cause justin plays mostly old school capcom mostly so lets see if he can play the new SF4 or blazblue and still be on top…more than likely he will be good at them just cause he is good at fighters in general but lets just see if he will be a top player in the games…
I dont understand the point of your post. :rolleyes:
Anyway guys, its JASON HALL, NOT JASON WALL!!! LOL!!!
and yeah I do think that hes better than justin, but he didnt show up, so the jokes on him. Im in Japan right now, but I know Jason is grinning his teeth knowing that justin won…lol…oh well his bad for not going and winning otherwise we probably wouldnt be seeing this thread.
Sorry I didnt enter XSF this year vic i was running around waaaay too much.
and yeah justin has beaten players that are more dedicated to certain games and are technically better than him so yeah…this is not fucking news, not at all. I dont nuthug justin at all (since we started playing together but i know if hes a amazing player, simple as that.) He whores out top tier in every game? ITS A FUCKING TOURNAMENT!! 
also even tho I think Jason Hall is the best in the USA at xsf, if Justin would have beatedn him in the this tourney had he showed up, I would not be surprised one bit. not at all.
peace guys, <3 to canada, dogface
Although Justin is great at these Street Fighter games, I would be really suprised to see him take VF5, ever, especially if the Japanese showed up to Evo. There are already some pretty ridiculous players in the US already. He would have a lot of work to do to become a force in that game. There is a lot to learn.
I don’t know if it’s good or bad that in the one EVO thread I chose to post in, the conversation as exploded 
and besides the results thread it has the most posts. for XSF. wow.
I think there will always be a dichotomy amongst gamers. Some will think that the person who wins by whatever means is the better player. Others will recognize the weaknesses of a game and not respect those who abuse the game breaking bullshit. I am one of the latter, but the more I live, the more I think I’m a relic. I lived in a time where if you threw someone in SFII, you needed to give a “throw back.” And yes I recognize that most of you have no idea what I’m talking about, but it’s true. That is what we used to be up against.
Do I know who the best 2 characters in XSF are? Yes. Would I ever pick them in a national tournament? No. I want to have fun while I play. This has always been my weakness. I don’t think I’ve EVER picked the “easy win” which is why people said “What the FUCK” when I picked Honda vs. Seth’s Balrog back at EVO East 2k7. I wanted to be the underdog…it feels like I’ve achieved something when I win against the odds. When I picked Vega at EVO 2k5, this is no lie, that was the first time I ever picked him seriously in a tournament. I just wanted to learn him because he seemed fast and pretty good in that game. And after pools I had learned enough to survive in the real event. And the rest is history. I didn’t abuse top tier BS, I just used normals and won.
A few pages back, people were suggesting that I did the same thing as Justin and abused gameplay in ST. Some people I’m sure are thinking that I’m a disgruntled player who didn’t ever achieve his dreams, and that is why I am saying this. You’re wrong. But at the same time, I have no problem with that. I’ve faced him a multitude of times and I’m very confident that I can beat him in at least 2 games. But that was never what this thread was about. This was about explaining my feelings about Justin and why people who actually love the games, separate winning and the way that you win. We are smart enough to know that you can either be good, or abuse a game flaw to win. That is all that Justin has ever done EXCEPT for MvC2, where he was the first innovator.
I’m still waiting for someone to disprove me with facts. Nobody has.
Where are your facts?
People bitch about Justin abusing Chun but I remember him raping people with Elena at one point.
He can play lower tiers well if he wants.
You’re degenerating to the Smash community.
No Throw
No Parry
No Supers
Final Destination
Like I said earlier, you do what it takes to win in a tournament.
You can still enjoy the games your way by finding a group of people and playing casuals or by having a private group tournament.
I personally don’t have the free time that I had in the early 90s nor do I enjoy tier whoring so I just randomly “play for fun” with what some may call “anime fags” but when it’s time for a serious tournament… well… you know.
There are still people out there that stick to their characters and do well in tournaments.
Kuroda was beasting everyone in the US including Justin Wong’s Chun with Q.
Johnny is shit tier in AC but Bleed can make him shine.
Just pick your favorite character, STFU, and enjoy the game with your friends, because in the end, it is a game afterall, and if you are not having fun, then why the fuck are you still playing?
Oh god…please end this shit. I’m so fucking sick of VF players being like, 'Oh VF is sooo complex!!" You fools sound like The Mac Cult.
The same thing was said when Justin was trying to learn 3S - There is sooo much to learn, he’s just a marvel player. Kid has gotten 2nd at Evo at least twice now.
The same thing was said when Justin was trying to learn CvS2 - There is soo much to learn, he’s just a marvel player. He gets top 8 every single year.
The same thing was said when Justin was trying to learn Tekken - There is soo much to learn, he’s just a marvel player. He got Top 8 what was it last year? Either that or 2 years ago, I forget now.
The same thing was said when Justin was trying to learn ST - There is soo much to learn, he’s just a marvel player. He gets top 8 every single year.
If justin wanted to learn VF5 he could. Nuki stopped playing all Capcom games to focus on VF at one point he became a top player in VF. There is a lot to learn in VF but there is also a lot to learn in Marvel, 3S, CvS2, Tekken, ST, etc. And just because a game is complex doesn’t make it better nor harder to learn. You can get pretty damn far in VF by just doing low jab and don’t pretend you can’t.
Derek Daniels
Honda does not get raped by Balrog and you know it. A lot of people consider Honda even if not ahead in that matchup.
You are good at ST Phil but you do counter character. I’m not talking shit as people need to do what needs to be done to win a tournament but you aren’t above counter picking so please stop acting like you are. This year both Valle and Choi counter picked against Tokido.
Derek Daniels
I have never consciously counter picked and won. please name one time where I counter picked and destroyed the opponent in a major. i will be waiting…
I remember someone said that about Sanford and then Sanford won a Tekken tournament
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Just because you didn’t ‘destroy’ the opponent doesn’t mean you didn’t try to counter character.
We all know Blanka beats Vega and we all know DJ beats honda.
Sirlin counter’ed your blanka with Honda. I’m not talking shit about people who counter character - I don’t understand why you are getting upset that the truth is out.
Derek Daniels
In general, I am a skeptic through and through. I need facts and solid evidence to buy into something.
That is why I am of the opinion that tournament results are the best way to determine skill. Anything else is hazy and can’t be verified, and such methods invariably devolve into popularity contests. There is no grey area with 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
Now, I hope not to come off as a fanboy with my next point…I’ll just be using the game in question as an example.
See, I actually sympathize with DSP, but I think the real problem there is flawed game design allowing extremely simple strategies to dominate. For an example of something not so flawed, look at Guilty Gear: You need to know the ins and outs of the engine, your character, AND every single matchup to be high-level. Daigo, too, was known for dominating games he didn’t even fully understand, just by “being Daigo”, but Daigo couldn’t get away with that in GG. Yes, he stomped American scrubs at Evo, but he always got peaced the fuck out in the first round of SBO and eventually quit during #reload. Justin isn’t even as good as Daigo was at that game, merely “OK”.
So in short, those complaining about people winning with no love for the game should pine for better games. I do wonder if it’s possible for a game to accomplish this goal without as many options as GG offers, though…
-Josh
Right, exactly. Do you see Justin or any top SF player putting down all capcom games to play VF? really? You wouldn’t be fucking surprised if he dropped it all to pick up VF?
I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I have no doubt in my mind that Justin, or really any top SF player, could get super solid in VF. Im just saying id be really surprised if he did. and even if he did, id also be surprised if he just came right out and started roasting some of the guys who have been playing this shit forever. I mean anything is possible but there is a lot going on in that game at a higher level, no doubt.
With that being said, I think the core of VF is actually pretty simple to get down, but there are a lot of characters with a lot of different moves and once you get to a mid level of play you have to worry about ETEG and all other types of dumb shit. Its not like SF games where generally you know what to expect because there are only a handful of characters played at a tournament level. Every event or VF tourney ive been to and a lot of whats on youtube you will see almost every character in the game being played, or at least a very wide variety. So yeah I mean its a lot to take in for a game that virtually has no scene and tournaments are few and far between. The R.O.I. for him probably wouldn’t be worth it in the first place. Understand what im saying now?
As others have said, it would be awesome if Justin or someone else that a ton of ppl looked up to came out and made VF5 popular as 3s or something but its not going to happen. Far too much time to invest in game that isnt popular here in the states.
lmfao, most of these post have nothing to do with xvsf
Oh well…
EVO2k9?