He’s not saying they arent the best, he’s saying they werent playing the best they could’ve, which IS somewhat valid, the other teams in top 3 were wolv/charles and wolv/cammy, fighting storm is a BITCH with wolv teams, cammy and charles have some tools but in general storm has a big advantage against those teams. If Vic/Toxy had decided to have a Storm team as a main I think the results would be different.
Come on now. You’ve been playing long enough to know that that’s a huge copout. if Storm is undoubtedly the best in the game and the hardest to fight, shouldn’t pro players know how to deal with her? they took the route that they thought would get them the win, and it didn’t. Saying that they lost because they played a certain team insults their intelligence as players and basically screams “you’re too stupid to know who beats who.” That doesn’t fly for any other game. If people get hard countered in MVC2 what do they do? Also, the BIGGEST factor is Phil is talking out of his ass because he wasn’t there. He’s making assumptions based on something he didn’t see. The players there gave a first hand account of what happened. I understand there’s a lot more to the game, but he’s singlehandedly discounting their views and experience, despite the fact that he didn’t see what happened.
Well the reason justin got so good fast was that he came to canada for both t8 and t9 and got to watch top storm players like me and cb mkp… also i was trying to teach him how to inf with storm against wolv and other small characters… and almost got it. Justin learns too fast thats what makes him so great. u can beat him once but then he learns how u play and distroys you. GGs Justin always a fun time playing you
DSP,
It’s clear that you are very passionate about not letting Justin be called “The best XvSF player in the world.” And that mainly comes from your opinion that Justin just whores out top tiers and the top players weren’t there to beat him.
Hm.
Do I think Justin has the most knowledge of Xsf? No. Do I think Justin loves Xsf? No. Do I think he can play the game hella good? Yes. So good that he can beat me, Toxy and Team Canada? Well, look at the results. If we had another XSF turney next week, would he win then? Possibly and possibly not. But for now, until the next Xsf that he participates, then he’s the XSF Evo Champion.
So what that he used Storm/Cyke/Chun? A LOT of people played those characters. But Justin played them in a way that totally neutralized me and Toxy. Can’t you give him credit for that? I mean, to say it’s just top tier whoring steals a lot of the thunder I wanted to emphasize in my first post.
Okay, so there were a few top players not in attendance. And I mean, a few. Arturo says that Jason Wall beats Justin. And I think MMDS would’ve had a good chance against Justin if they’d crossed paths. And Canadian player Narith was absent. But, like we’ve all accepted, on that day Justin was the best and deserves more credit than what you’re giving him.
Anyone watching could tell Justin’s gotten better. So therefore he plays the game. And if he plays the game, the concept that he’s the best is not impossible to believe.
A lot of people are going to be hungry at Evo2k9. T10 will be before that. And XvSF could even be run at MWC. So let’s all get hype, practice up, and give XvSF it’s long awaited revival. This is the best time to be an XvSF fan. I know I’m hungry. How about you Phil?
See you at Evo2k9!
-Vic
Do you remember me?:wonder:
I wonder how much J-Wong paid MMDS to throw his matches and not get 1st in this bitch…:wtf:
earned a lot of props for this post IMO
congrats to all people who can play this game, i have no idea how you guys can tolerate such crazy bullshit happening (this coming from a MVC2 player LOL)
keep it up guys, i love when phil gets riled up
it doesn’t matter so long as he posts responses that are 2+ paragraphs long
IMO
Do I still count at a “top” xvsf player? :looney:
Jay Wall and Omar are definitely world-class players.
Great guys too.
Where’s the next major with XSF?
Oh and any asshats hating need to show up or gtfo with that wack shit.
thanks for the love everyone, till next year vic
can’t wait to watch all the luck corner grab into infinite into easy mixup back into infinite wins they are.
tak, when you edit those vids you should totally cut the infinites out. It’s hard to skip on youtube.
Vic: Nice post. I enjoyed reading it. Loved it even. Almost seemed like I wrote it with the same type of writing style. :tup:
Sorry about not showing up for my match on time. Next year though, I’ll be in the top 5 and I want Shiro to be at EVO this time. Yo foo, long time… hit me up sometime, Shiro. 
Fanatiq is sick, and yes… Joker played just like he does in all the vids I’ve seen. Fucking amazing! Wish I got to play you guys, but I had the lady with me.
Good shit for taking XvSF, Justin. I was surprised to to tell you the truth, but I was happy that someone FINALLY took home that damn Apocalypse trophy home. Been waiting for an owner for 3 years!
Thanks goes to Tushar for the XvSF board. Looks great in my cab and getting mad play time.
Peace.
[yes… I was the guy with the rings, lol]
Im not saying it to take anything away from justin, but like Wolvie Storm 1 on 1 wolv cant win unless storm decides not to run, its one of the worst matchups in the game imo, they had the chance to pick anyone I know, but in this game storm is really the only way to fight a runaway storm, and having played Justins Storm I think he can be beaten by a good player willing to outbs him.
All that is not mentioning that unless somethings changed, Justin doesnt really care about xmen or play it that much, I think if he decided to play it in any serious capacity there would be no question at all.
I know that we respect each other as gamers, so this is hard.
Seeing you start a Justin Wong nuthugging thread was very disturbing for me. I’ve probably heard about 14984 nuthuggers talk about Justin, but I never expected that you would buy in.
I’m tired of this shit. I’m tired of the fanboy-ism and I’m tired of people being blinded by the light. I was NEVER blinded and that’s why I have been able to beat him in major tournaments when it mattered.
I’m not trying to disrespect anyone. What I’m trying to say is that you have been struck by the same wave that many other players have experienced. Justin hit the Street Fighter world like a brick wall…here is a young kid, inexperienced, who is a natural and who can win a national. Amazing.
but this is no longer the case. We’ve allowed him to become such a powerhouse that he plays a game for a couple of months and now he can win tournaments…if not nationals. Wow. What a monster have we created?
You REALLY think he’s good at XSF? really. this boggles my mind. you said he whored out the top tiers of the game, to the fullest, and won. have you ever met someone who cared so much about winning XSF, that they went to those lengths? I’m guessing no, but I could be wrong. Justin is the person who plays to win, period. He doesn’t have to enjoy or even LIKE the game, he just does what he has to do to win, because he’s addicted to winning. he’s done this with every game since MvC2, the one game where he truly was the innovator.
At B5, I had Justin’s back. He was the underdog and the outlaw, he was the one coming into that event who nobody thought could do the impossible. and yet he did it. and I told him on that day that I would always have his back.
Today, Justin just takes the easy way out at all chances to make money. He begged so many people to play money matches with him at Midwest this year that I had to tell him to shut the fuck up so we could actually talk about the tournament. This isn’t an exaggeration, please check the actual thread. He wins almost every game because of his shortcuts and all he cares about is the win. He’s told me multiple times that he hates games but he wins them simply because he can.
So let’s start over. Justin won XSF. Justin has won more fighting game events than any other person in the USA. Maybe he’s won more than anyone in the world? I don’t know. But is he the best in every game he’s won? I have to say fuck no. Seems to me it’s more like abusing the weaknesses of every game than actually learning the games…find the fault and turn it to your advantage to make money. that’s not what I call the best player at all. If you said Justin Wong was the Donald Trump of fighting games, I might agree. But considering he takes shortcuts to win, I cannot ever admittedly say he is the best.
In the end, not a single word you typed or anyone else really matters.
The only thing that matters is who won, and that was Justin Wong.
If can win and need to win, then doing whatever it takes is smart, so stop hating that you aren’t smart enough to select characters that will yield that greatest win chance.
I see where you’re coming from though, I also like to play games for fun and not just for money, and I’m not a fan of tier-whoring, but that’s what casuals are for.
EVO is a tournament and the goal is to win and that is what Justin does best. Also if Justin doesn’t play his best, it is unfair to his opponents who want to play him to get better. Although I often notice that even in tournaments Justin messes around until Grand Finals.
Anyways, it does get boring seeing the same person always win in everything but it’s not easy so congrats to you Justin Fuckin-Robot Wong.
Please don’t disable any of your auto-win hacks any time soon.
DSP: Justin may not be best XvSF player to you, but he IS the better fighting gamer than the people he beat, and winning tournaments gives you the right to call yourself the best. He’s not the one claiming himself to be the best, another person is aying so.
I think people are not agreeing with you simply because you’ve developed a persona of hate for a long time. But I do see valid points in what you’re saying. I don’t want to go into essay mode but I think the problem is defining what being the best means. Is it being the most skillful (having the most knowledge, being able to execute and win tournaments or place high) or is it simply winning tournaments by doing whatever is available to you.
A lot of people say there’s no such thing as Cheapness (you’ve all been brainwashed by sirlin) but in reality we all know there is, we just don’t care about it because we learn to deal with it and counter.
To me winning tournament means you can call yourself the best. The game only knows winning and losing. But other people might not agree, including you.
In the tekken community, a player named Crow won the tekken evo tournament 2 years in a row (2005 and 2006).
Sure he could claim to be the best, and a lot of people said he was the best, but a lot of players including me didn’t think so because we believed it was just because of the tekken 5.0 bullshit, a broken ass S tier character named 5.0 steve in particular that allowed him to win. He might have won, but he wasn’t the most skilled player.
Surely enough, in the last two years, dude hasn’t placed in the top 8 for tekken when they changed it from 5.0 to Dark Resurrection.
There’s plenty of other bullshit characters in that version of the game including nina, bryan and feng.
Justin also placed top 8 twice in that bullshit game, but once DR came out, a better more balanced game, I remember reading somewhere he doesn’t like it anymore because he can’t do the same ground rape tactics with feng, and he doesn’t win or place as high in it anymore.
Maybe because you like XvsSF a lot, you don’t want to say that he is the best because he’s probably not the most skilled XvsSF player. But he is the better fighting gamer.
These types of debates usually happen when the game in question is a stupid game from the start.
what’s wrong with playing to win in a tournament? the whole point of tournaments is to win them, not lose them. this is why we saw chun vs chun in 3s finals. and since you mentioned sirlin, i figure its fair to also mention s-kill, who iirc was the first one to write a “playing to win” essay.
Justin still needs to win in VF, GG, and Smash, and until he does I’m not a believer.
lol j/k, gratz dude
Basically. How are people gonna bitch about someone using Storm in XvSF. Whole game’s broken. One jab near corner = infinite GG. It’s like two people each use an atom bomb on a small village. Oh, but Justin’s atom bomb had anthrax sprinkles in it so he’s so cheap.
