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what, i cant have my own opinion? you have lost your humanity if you dont believe in opinion.
He brings up good points. Can’t argue any of that. But I can still give my POV based on my experience with this matter. If people don’t want to take the obvious route, and start with console tournies, then fine. Do what we did. Just jump straight to the middle of the process…
There is also another arcade 5 minutes from the mall I play at. We bugged the hell out of them for Alpha3, they wen’t and got it. So now we have both a 3rd Strike machine and an Alpha3 machine. (it’s 5 minutes in between, but it beats console) Don’t take no for an answer. We didn’t, and we got both now. You have to keep bugging them and stay in their face about it. Otherwise, they won’t know you are serious. Right now, we are trying to convince the manager at the mall arcade to buy the A3 from the other arcade, so we don’t have to leave to play both.
I know this is all easier said than done. (getting the arcade version) But I haven’t seen any attempt from these people to get this A3 revival going anyway.
BTW: I’m not a “3S/DC kiddie”. So my opinion isn’t really biased here. I used to think that 3S was a horrible idea. 
I didn’t even start playing it until this year. A3 on the other hand, I did play. SaBrE remembers. I was his A3 bitch for quite a while. 
<----- His V-Akuma had me doing that quite often. I would love to see A3 come back to EVO. But quite honestly, I don’t see people trying to do anything about it. (other than complain and point fingers)
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hehe I just remembered this thread from a while ago and the arguments were so similar I had to link 
And actually I think a3 players have a perfect port . Emulator sfa3
There’s having an opinion, and then there’s Tekken 4.
and murder she wrote…
At the arcade I go to SFA3 is like the game everyone will have a go on, just because its so approachable, and nearly everyone around here has played SFA2 so it was easy to transfer. In comparison CVS2 is way more strange to people who just basically want to play a fighting game and not choose between 40+ characters, ratios, and then 6 grooves.
People say they like SFA2 better but I think SFA2 gameplay feels just like an updated ST with a different meter system, AC’s and CC’s which took little effort to do really.
Which Arcade is this ? On your location it says Earth… I know where that is, but you have to be more specific.
you tryin to say somethin?
He’s saying that by telling everyone that the console versions are crap, it might be a bad idea. Considering maybe that’s the only access some people have to A3.
Go play console A3 and fear DJ/Fei Long 
Jive : damn dude… your arcade rocks. I asked my local arcade manager to fix a broken stick and he laughed at me (for real). XvSF hasn’t had proper sticks in… ooh, 3 years?
Wow, I’m really happy people responded to this. So whens the first A3 alpha tourney?
I’m just looking for a game to replace Alpha, MvC2 is the top VS game, CVS2 is the top team based game, I want just a new one on one fighter that doesnt have the boring characters of SF3… seems SVC is the only way to go for the moment.
First off, this isn’t to dis ST but, some of this is hella rubbish Jesse. Capcom fighting in its purest form? Not even CLOSE. Dizzies are hella stupid and make little sense. Everyone has a rising upward attack or something similar to a dp with like priority aside from Bison who does 50% in 3 hits. Supers? Invincible moves that do 50%? That’s pure?
No the purest form of SF was at it’s peak in SF2:HF. The fighting styles and strats are all distinct and there are no crutches to lean on. The shittiest part of HF is the redizzies and to this day, I have seen no re-dizzies in tourney OR competition aside from myself with Rog.
ST is not the polished version of the SF2 series. It’s a last ditch effort to remake the strats for every character while introducing new candy=supers. ST was capcom getting lucky again. Although, it’s still better than every version of SF2 aside from HF because it has answers to prior bs.
To say A3 is broken is simply favoritism towards ST. Of course YOU would like a game where Fei Long could be getting perfected and can land one opening and the game is over. That would NEVER happen in a game like A3. Getting ticked to death? Nope. There’s plenty of stupid shit in ST, it just takes far less skill to perform although timing is an issue.
ST can stand as an homage of sorts but…it’s the least played SF2 game. Seriously, SF2 was dead by the time ST came out.
Please, don’t talk about A3 if you don’t know what you’re talking about. Saying A3 is nothing but Vism at top levels is the same as saying CvS2 is cammy/blanka/sagat. That’s a matter of choice of the top players. The only reason SOME characters in ST have a chance is because of bullshit.
ST is just as broken, I’d say moreso than A3. Why? Because ST is not nearly as ambitious and STILL it’s fucked up. ST has degenerated into counter character non-sense. You don’t see as much stupid shit like that in A3. That’s not to say that certain players don’t try and jock every advantage like using V-Sak with A-Sim as back up and vice versa. Still, generally, an expert is an expert. On ST, 75% of the “experts” are merely counter charactering their way to victory. The moment someone waits for me to pick my character on ST is the moment I know that the opponent knows I am clearly better. He needs the advantage of being able to counter my character. That doesn’t speak shit for ST. It’s not like it was back in the day.
And before you get stupid and bring up Evo, let’s not forget that the Japanese play on head to heads and even put cardboard in between so they can’t see one another. That same tactic is laughable in the US. It’s HARDER to play by watching someone’s hands than merely the screen.
So before you get stupid enough to bring up Chun at Evo again, show me a Chun that’s going to win when you’re on the same machine. That’s a matter of Japanese style. Have fun getting those lightning legs countered to death.
To say that A3 relies on gimmicks and ST doesn’t is ridiculous. To act as if you can just pick vism and defeat anyone good is a joke. However, I could pick Chun in ST, better yet, Gief, and still win vs. ST players. I could use Ryu and win vs. ST players. I barely play the game all year long. ST is played because it’s a simple game that relies mostly on strategy BUT, there’s always the damage threat of a stupid comeback to keep it interesting. One random guess and the round could be over.
The claims you make about ST are better when used to describe HF. You merely show how your favoritism blinds you.
ST is dead everywhere but Texas. If it wasn’t there would be many ppl practicing it before Evo. ST is the game that ppl “love.” That is why it is played.
In all seriousness and honesty, SFA3 is a more serious, less bs version of SF. I will say that Xism is useless unless facing Aism. Vism destroys Xism. That leaves A vs V mostly. Xism was intended for noobs anyway. Xism is easy damage mode until you face someone that knows how to play the game. But no smart SFA3 player is gonna bust out X unless he knows he’s superior to his competition by far.
SFA3 is a superior tournament game. ST is great for nolstagia but if we were playing games based on how GOOD they actually were then HF would be being played. That games just a little too old and much harder than ST players wanna go. ST was the game that hella weak SF2 players got good at while all the great sf2 players stopped playing.
All in all, for various reasons I would say the games were even. But I grew up on SF2 so I’m gonna go with ST always. I mean, who the hell even needs to practice that to compete? A3 on the other hand…that’s a game that seriously evolves every year regardless of the tourney scene here in the U.S.
Basically, Texas doesn’t know shit about A3 really. A good vism in a real tourney vs a real player is leagues harder than anything Fei Long can do. Not a dis, that’s the truth.
Yeah, I personally rank ST higher but…that’s the only SF2 I get to choose from for tournies. HF is by far, a superior game in terms of depth and strategy…although I don’t like it coming out of my mouth…so is SFA3(omg I actually said it out loud!).
For tourneys however, there is no contest. A3 can’t even be practiced. ST never needed to be so we weren’t hurting before the DC version. A3 isn’t a game you can just get on and play though…it’s a lil more hardcore if not as ol skool or “pure” as you put it.
If ST had a damage setting, set it to where a dp does about as much as it does nowadays and then tell me you like it. ST happens to work, but it’s not because it’s some refined version of SF2. HF is the peak of SF2. ST was just the last game that no one played until 2 years after it was out…oh and on xband(which is a point in itself).
A3 is the last of the hardcore SF games. 3s is more of a “fighting” game than cvs2 simply because of the do or die nature of the parry. Still, A3 was the last sf that was all about fighting.
As for A2? Ask ALL of the top players. A2 is easy fighter. It’s not played in Japan anymore cuz it’s a scrub game. Now, I said that years ago but it seems that you have to be from Japan to be taken seriously so…ask the top Japanese players. A1 was a fun but scrubby game. A2 was a bit more skillful but still, anyone can play it. A2 over A3? You know, I’ve never heard from ANYONE who did well consistently at A3 say A2 was better. But I’ve heard from the most consistent A2 players and they agree that A3 is clearly superior. Basically, if you think A2 is better, it’s probably because you’re not capable of playing A3 at a high level. You can complain about vcs but, any scrub can bust a cc in a2, not true in A3. A3 is clearly the superior alpha game. It’s so clear that I won’t argue the issue anymore. Well, especially since I’m usually arguing with someone who doesn’t understand A3 and never went anywhere with it once the rest of the country learned how to play. That’s a seriously stupid argument.
It looks like this ST=easy game to master A2=easy game to master. Even HF is much harder to master than ST. It sure looks like you like you sf games simple. That’s not to say that the overall strategy of ST is simple, but on the whole, it’s one of the simplest sfs ever. A2…well that’s just simple all around.
Now that’s not to say I don’t like these games. I love em. Well, I liked A2 a lot until A3 came out. But I also refused to use ccs or Chun back then too. When you have to make lame rules for yourself so that the game isn’t stupid…you know it’s a joke.
K…that’s all for my random rant. I just couldn’t let some of those comments slide. It’s clearly favoritism. Check yaself bro.
Apoc.
K…that’s an idiots remark. Were you at Evo? What would you know about it? Do you know how much was at Evo that was totally unnecessary and boring? It was a great plan to have a ton of shit though to distract from it. I mean, some of those tourneys weren’t even necessary.
Don’t act like you don’t want to start a flame war and then make a comment like that. Why not put “troll” in your profile or something. You may not troll 100% but you certainly troll.
Yeah, that comment makes it obvious that you don’t want a flame war.
Don’t bother replying, I won’t.
Apoc.
A3 does have counter characters, not as specific as ST, but with the addition of V-ism can potentially blow the counter character deal away. But choosing V-ism isn’t just a case of going oh I’ll just counter with V-ism, it’s not easy at all when your going against top tier with a low tiered character, but V-ism makes it possible.
eg. expert A-Cody vs. expert A-Chun is a complete washout, everything gets beaten by Chun apart from cr. FP which trades 50%. If I switch to V though, things are way better for Cody, because it gives Cody approach options he couldn’t even think of in A, it’s not going to be easy, but V-Cody has a good chance now, instead of near none.
wow… thanks apoc
this whole thing has brought my self esteem up… I really do like the harder games…
Heh, sorry about not replying sooner. I’m busy beyond belief…
Fayetteville, NC. (Fort Bragg and Pope Air Force Base are located here)
3S: Mindboggle Arcade, Cross Creek Mall
A3: FUN FUN FUN Arcade, Sycamore Dairy Rd.
Where do you live?
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temujin is from canada. good player
heh…I probably should have looked at his location before I asked that. 
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First I off I just wanna say that I am just shocked at how you get off talking to me. You and I have had many conversations about ST and other Street Fighter Games dating all the way back since 97…now all of a sudden you’re talking to me as if I were some Joe-Shmoe who doesn’t know dick about Street Fighter. And saying that I am blinded by favortism? Anyways, fuck all that. I posted what my thoughts were…my opinions on how I see it. Everyone has an opinion on what they think is THE game of games. I simply didn’t see you as the kind of guy who would lash out like that…but oh well.
OK, how are dizzies “Hella stupid, and make no sense?” You lost me on that one, bro.
The same for “everyone having rising attacks with priority” - explain to me how this is a bad thing.
You may see supers as candy bs, but I don’t. Supers are in the game to turn the tide of the fight in a blink of an eye. Once the threat of being hit by a super is present it changes the whole game.
The reason I say that ST is Street Fighting in its purest form is that there is almost ZERO room for error. In a game where one 3 hit combo can do 50% damage, I hardly see Supers as a “crutch.”
And all that talk about HF is pure opinion. I can sit here and type all day how I think HF is bull of bs, just like you did about ST… it all boils down to your opinion vs mine.
I said A3 was broken based on the countless opinions I have heard from many players in the past.
And what’s this crap about Fei Long all of a sudden?? Oh, so it’s my fault he’s so powerful? It’s my fault Fei has 50% combos off of an opening? If a player is stupid enough to get hit then that’s his mistake! You have no idea how hard it is to fight some of the fights that Fei has in ST. Characters that that supposedly lost to Fei easily are now able to fight back hard. And thats the beauty of ST. There is always something…no matter how small or big…there is something that can change the fight. You complain about 50% combos with invincibility, when you should really be preaching about how not to fuck up and get hit by those things. Supers aren’t as failsafe as you make them out to be. Don’t complain about being ticked to death in ST, and ST taking less skill than A3 because I have seen the EXACT same shit in A3 and CVS2. You wanna talk about crutches?? Yeah, run away and charge that V-meter…ok, I have V-meter now here I come. Better pray that you have atleast an Alpha Counter…thats if you are playing A or V.
As a matter of fact, I am willing the bet that ST is the most played SF2 game in the world.
You know, I find it funny how you say that ST has been degenerated to counter character non-sense when our best players got wiped out at EVO. Not once did the Japanese players switch fighters to counter character for the win. You are right. Our experts are experts because we(USA)dont really wanna put enough effort into perfecting a character to the apex of their ability. Instead, we tap that stick and move the cursor over to the convenient counter character…because it’s all about winning over here. It’s not about getting props for going all the way with one fighter…its about the money and the status. Once a tactic is out almost EVERY tournament player out there runs to it and uses it as bread and butter. I saw it first hand when Daigo first came to the US for the A3 championships. After his V-ism show EVERYONE was just up in arms about how bad ass V-ism is. Imagine how long it would have taken us to figure out all that stuff if Daigo hadnt come and played…or better yet, if there was no internet. It’s fucking humiliating to know that even with our counter character BS we can’t beat Japans mediocre players!
No, I am going to get stupid on you and bring up EVO! You and Chris had a long discussion about this very subject. I think your whole theory on side by side play vs head to head play is total bullshit. I am going to SBO next year and I personally will ask the top Japanese ST players if playing side by side is going to make all the difference in the world. What? You think the whole “Hood and Mad Dog” thing is going to change the outcome of the fight? I’ve had players SLAM the machine, talk trash to my face…you name it…they still got their asses handed to them. I think it’s a lame excuse to whine about how “Oh, they play head to head. If they were next to me I bet they wouldn’t hang!” If a player is good enough, he can win no matter what the setup is. If you want to critscize me for having favortism towards the Japanese players go ahead, but the results speak for themselves. We had EVERY chance to beat them down at EVO, and again we failed.
Ok, maybe the analogy of just picking V-ism = auto win is a bit far fetched but give me one A3 major finals where V-Ism wasnt chosen.
You are right. There IS always that threat in your face where ONE fuck up can cost you the game. It is this threat pushes ST players to perfect their game.
ST is dead everywhere but TX? … ok dude
You are straight up wrong there. Again, HF being better than ST is opinion. We have HF at the Stargate, and we do play it from time to time but everyone ends up going back to ST for their SF2 fix. And saying that HF is harder than ST?? If anything HF is missing all the variables that favor aggressivness. Overheads, Supers, priorities…
So automatically 33.3% of the game goes right out the window? So whats the ratio of V-ism players to A-ism players in major finals here in the states?
You’re right. The majority of A3 players in TX play it for shits and giggles.
Me not capable of playing A3 at high level? Now you’re just trying to insult me. It’s not that I am not capable. It’s not that I am a simple minded person. I never liked A3 to begin with. I never got into the game. The only games I ever dedicated my heart and soul into were SF2, CE, HF, ST, 2I and Samurai Shodown 2. All of the other SF games I played but never got serious about because I didn’t like what the end results were. The only NEW game that I see as worth my time is 3rd Strike.
I have read countless of your posts in the past, going all the way back to alt.games.sf2 and I know how strongly you post your views. I am not about to get into an argument with you over the issue. This clearly boils down to opinions that differ. I posted why I thought A3 was not in APEX or in major tournies nationwide. Someone criticized ST and I posted why I thought the game belongs in the tournament lineup…not why ST is better than A3 or vice versa. I did say that A3 was broken because of V combos and abuse.
I’ll see you again, and hopefully we can talk about this face to face over drinks.
Peace
Jesse C.