Alien Covenant / Prometheus / Aliens / AvP / Discussion Thread

yeah that stupid idea about a phantom signal approaching them and them running to that main chamber :rofl: they should of just killed the snake if they wanted to stay away from whatever it was outside. stupid scientists, if you want to stay in a most likely safer area and theres a threat like that snake you just kill it like any ordinary person

this film is full of stupid

they show that in the viral introduction video for david, not the film.

no, they showed it in the film too, pretty sure. i remember seeing it and iā€™ve not seen any of the viral stuff

Anyone who couldnā€™t see at a cursory glance that the ā€œreflection was offā€, needs to hand over his eyes, because he sure as fuck isnā€™t using them.

I think Iā€™ve made my opinion quite clear, I really enjoyed this film despite it being heavy on the character retardation. I guess you can call that a balanced point of view??? :wonder:

The movie has more merits than problems IMO. Itā€™s like the movie The One (with Jet Li), a movie that most would consider bad, but for me itā€™s a great movie not because Jet Li gets to kick a lot of butt, but because they had an idea, a great concept, and they took the risk to make it.

Prometheus despite itā€™s flaws in writing is still an 8.5/10 for me. So yeh, I completely understand what Specs is saying to an extent, because I noticed most of those errors too, but Iā€™m not the type of person that sees something like that and then feels completely removed from the movie. To me those flaws didnā€™t take away from the story Ridley was trying to tell. Iā€™m interested in dissecting the larger picture, or at least try to figure out this jigsaw puzzle of a trilogy.

PS Iā€™m not nut riding Ridley cos Kingdom of Heaven fā€™ing sucked (not seen the the 3hr directorā€™s cut)

Same way I felt about the movie Sunshine. It had its flaws but the movie was imaginative and actually tried to deal with many elements in a solid matter.

Iā€™d rather have a film that actually tries to explore new thematic elements and fall short, than a super-safe film thatā€™s uses cliched concepts in order to net a guaranteed profit.

Yeh Sunshine is a good example

it depends on the viewing context. not many people these days are going to head straight to that painting so they have a lot of complex images in their head already on first glance. likewise with a visit to the museum, itā€™s easy to get lost in the high mixture of visual stimulation not to mention audio stimulation and transferences.

this is the thing

Iā€™ll wager everyone in here had a minimum of six tabs of images open, as they were browsing, and saw it, lol.

It is not a subtle thing.

most people assume there is a mirror behind the girl. iā€™ll asume the reason for this is that the paintingā€™s title has the eatery/lounge/restaurant/bar whatever it wasā€¦in it. therefore, there must be actual photos of the place, or eyewitness descriptions, or other paintings of the place that show/describe the actual layout of this restaurant in enough detail that may or may not place a mirror having hung behind the drink serving counter.
iā€™ll assume this is why most people think there is a large mirror located behind the bar counter.
i havenā€™t researched/looked into itā€¦so i donā€™t know why most people even assume thereā€™s a mirror in that painting. but iā€™ll assume this is the cause for the assumptions of a mirror being located behind the girl.

that said.
its a painting.
if a mirror is there in the painting and manet selected to play with perspective, that was his perrogative.
if the mirror isnā€™t there and manet painted the eatery as having the drink serving bar somewhere centered in the eateryā€¦with tables and chairs and customers in a full 360 degree around the barā€¦that was also up to him.
its a painting. it doesnā€™t have to represent reality 100% completely.
you would be surprised how many paintings arenā€™t fully depicting what the artists were staring at while they painted.
for exampleā€¦
if a painter paints a little girl with a grey hat standing in front of a blue-green backgroundā€¦that doesnā€™t mean heā€™s gonna paint a little girl wearing a grey hat standing in front of a blue-green background.
he may alter the hat to a black hat with a red sash wrapping around the hatā€¦or he may depict the hat as he sees it, but change the background color to a warmer light brown-rose colorā€¦heā€™ll do these things if he feels that the actual visual image before himā€¦his model and her surroundingsā€¦are too cool in tone and therefore too lifeless. if he feels the painting is needing of warmth by adding warmer earthier tones, heā€™ll add them whether they are there in actuality or not.
most if not all painters will manipulate/alter the image of their motif they see before them in their work if they feel the work is needing of alteration.

so lets get off the subject of manetā€™s painting. and whether there is or isnā€™t a mirror behind the bartending chick, and painting in general and lets get back to posting about prometheus the movie.
ok?
thank you.
threadā€¦

BACK ON ITS RAILS!

proceed.

if ya wanna discuss paintings in general, thats what the image mishmash is for. thereā€™s a good number of threads dedicated to that. hell, Havatchu made a watercolor thread located at that subforum.
and no one posts up thereā€¦yet you guys wanna discuss manetā€™s painting in detailā€¦and debate about it for pagesā€¦in the prometheus thread? of all places?
really?
seriously?

we agree to disagree, since itā€™s a subjective arguement :confused:

whoa calm down there :rofl: there is a mirror in the Folies BergĆ©re. thereā€™s a LOT of essays done on this piece by professionals. Iā€™ve gone off the painting topic, since really it was just for Specs due to me being annoyed :lol:

sorry i think when they cut the head a knew one grew back and it went in his suit or body.

The fucking black guys fault as always. Getting some commander cooch while his comrades are dying to liquid snakes that probe your mouth. If he stayed in there like he was supposed too they would of knew what they were dealing with and had a better chance.

there really isnt anything deep or meaningful about the ā€œBar At The Folies Bergereā€ i dont understand why it would be relevant to a discussion about Prometheus.

Those two idiots are at fault too for leaving the group, forgetting about the ā€œpupsā€, and getting high during the mission.

WWHHAHHAAAAAAAAATTTTT no way :rofl:

and you got a like for that comment :confused: stop it youā€™re not serious.

seriously dudes it was a nice test but theres no hope, you have to fool the public into anything its unbelievable :frowning: people want to believe and personalities want to not believe

The difference is I expected as much from them them moment they left the group. After that, I also expected them too be stupid enough to try to pet it. If the Captain was there, he would have talked them out of it. I was sure about that. He failed my expectations so my blame is on him I guess.

You have to see the 3 hour 20 minute versionā€¦KoH goes from being one of Scottā€™s weaker films into one of his best IMO. Thatā€™s one of his directorā€™s cuts that truly made it a different movie, almost a full hour of character development added back in
Thereā€™s no Ridley movie that doesnā€™t look good, but his '87-'97 period is kinda of dry outside of Thelma and Louiseā€¦and White Squall I guess.

Side Note: Sunshine was great movie.

I managed to get a copy, watched it last night. Still hate the movie lol.

Itā€™s just really oddly edited. Random slow mo footage, a short scene will just go into slow mo for no apparent reason. There a few scenes that seem to be cut in the wrong order, it just all feels rather surreal for me. On top of that you have the cheesy perfect knight theme running through, I just want to slap Orlando in the face, his character just comes off condescending most of the time.

Of the extended scenes, I only found the dialog for the muslim characterā€™s and the main villian of any interest.

Ridley wants us to believe that the characters are so in love with city that they would kill each other other it. Everybody seems to be in a love affair with Jerusalem but unfortunately I didnā€™t. I think itā€™s because there is so much focus on the character development and very little on the city. Itā€™s all about their faith in God, they talk about Jerusalem constantly but I felt no connection. Was that the point?? At the end of the movie the Muslim King says Jerusalem means nothing and everything to him.

For those disappointed with Prometheus, Tyler Perry has announced he is writing a sci-fi

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