Agreed. But ultimately,through all of us bitching about the matchup,thread it up,(We already have) we either need to “Man-up” against this Painful matchup,Or do What MOST players are doing, Counter picking,Or doing a mirror match. Yun Is Yun’s worst enemy In my opinion. I played yun the first week,I was dominating,But I had to take a shower after using him,Felt dirty. I picked up sagat/Guy, to deal with that retarded matchup. If your just playing online,fuck it and go balls out against him, in a tournament level, Id say counter pick,or mirror match.Unless your name is tokido.
This is so funny how so many people here are claiming they can easily anti air Yun divekicks. It is literally impossible to anti air on reaction certain divekicks that yun can do. I really really doubt that any of you have played any good yuns. When I made this thread, the response from most of you was “well I dont have AE yet so we will see”. So most of you guys and the local players you play with offline also did not have AE before console release. This means you have been playing Yuns that literally have been playing less than a month or less. LOL. Of course you can manage these scrub Yuns. I shit on scrub Yuns all day. Wait till you face a Yun that knows the matchup in and out. Did you guys see infiltration vs daigo? Daigo was half asleep during this tournament and literally shit on everyone. DAIGO HAS NOT LOST ONE SINGLE TOURNAMENT MATCH IN THE UNITED STATES WHILE PLAYING YUN. I would say its safe to assume that every person person in top 16 at each of those majors could dismantle any of the Yuns we have faced. But a good Yun blew right threw them. I understand its daigo, but did you see the results of CEO? 3 of the 4 of the top placed were using Yun. Its discouraging but true what Ryan Heart said in his blog. Yun, when used at a high enough level is literally unbeatable. Wait till you start facing Yuns that option select fucking dashpunch into every jump in or just plain punish teleport on reaction. No only is this character is cheap but he is just too good. Dont get me wrong, I still love to play this game and I think this thread is very useful to list ways we can possibly deal with Yun. Give it a couple months and then you will see how free akuma (and most characters) are for a yun in good control.
Um yea it is actually rather easy to AA his dive kicks. They aren’t hard if you know what to look for. Nothing even close to Rufus or Super Cammy’s dive kicks. You are taking what we are saying out of context. His dive kicks really aren’t that strong, but he doesn’t need them to be. You need to understand that what makes Yun scary is not his dive kicks. It is his large collection of safe pressure options.
You also need to look at what kind of dive kicks good Yun players are using to get in with. They are not just dive kicking, rather they are placing their dive kicks as a reaction to pokes or at times where his opponent won’t be able to counter him. Anyone who mindlessly dive kicks is easy to counter.
Even in the grand finals of NCR which was Daigo vs Infiltration, Infiltration AAed a lot of the dive kicks. The problem is Yun still has ways to get in without them.
BTW the CEO results you quote are not correct. Top spots were Tokido(Akuma), Arturo (Rose, Dhal), Mike Ross(Honda), and Marn (Yun). In fact I see the opposite. 3 out of 4 were not yun players. Out of the whole top 8 there was a grand total of 1 yun player. Other than Revelations I haven’t seen a tournament that was dominated by strictly yun players.
And I have played good Yuns. I am not talking about random Xbox live players. I’ll say it again, it isn’t the dive kicks that makes Yun the monster he is.
IMO Capcom should have just given Yun’s command grab the same range and properties as Fei’s and make his attacks a bit less brain dead safe too (ex shoulder rush thing being +1 on block when it hits deep is stupid, it also has almost no recovery on whiff).
have to disagree with you Yuns DK is better than Rufus & Cammys DK lol, he covers more ground & is faster and his DK punishes whiffs amazing --also American Yun players suck hard and still in development besides Hsein Chang and Marn (marn would be amazing but he plays pretty reckless, he needs to seriously watch Daigo/Xain/Kazunoko but I think he will get to this lvl of play)
Also what makes Yun very good besides his offensive options, his DKs yes his DK its not about whether u can AA them really well–u probably play scrub lvl Yuns that are not that good–anyways, it is the proper use of the DK that makes this move really good esp. actually playing good Yun players Im surprise ur saying this when u got the chance to play Kidevu/momochi’s Yun-- Yun is amazing in the right hands-- not to mention his EX command grab and EX ho punch and Dp is really good
Yun’s divekicks are statistically worse than classic Cammy or Rufus, however like Cammy and Rufus they are good for different reasons. Yun gets to use his neutral jump and divekicks as a pseudo footsie, a much different application than Rufus or Cammy.
Anyway divekicks aren’t what is most dangerous about Yun. Divekicks have been around since forever and we should be used to divekick pressure by now. It’s his safe ground pressure that keeps him within pressure range that is the problem. Unlike previous divekickers like Cammy or Rufus, once you weathered the storm you were both at a neutral state. With Yun he is still within pressure range unless you do something to get him off.
As far as the matchup is concerned Akuma is one of a small handful of characters who can actually fight Yun, and as always you need to be on point or you’ll get rolled.
I love how everyone accuses me of playing scrub level Yuns because I claim his dive kicks aren’t that hard to AA. This is the 5th attempt by someone to do so. The Yun player I have played against was a top 64 finisher at Evo 2009 with Rufus. He ain’t no scrub and he knows how to use his dive kicks. So let’s put that one to rest shall we?
As I have said a dozen times before when you see someone use Yun’s divekicks well. They aren’t just throwing them out and hoping they hit. Rather they are doing it as response. Because even the pros are figuring out that Yun’s dive kicks can be beat by anything you throw out there. It isn’t like Cammy or Rufus where if you try to throw out a counter you could potentially be stuffed. If you throw out a normal it hits, period.
No way man, if you’re finding that anti-yun technology and making that matchup work for you it obviously because you’re playing NOTHING BUT SCRUBS!
On a serious note, this may be Akuma’s worst matchup but not because it’s unmanageable, but because this is probably the only match in AE that is 6/4 against Akuma.
Yun is the most broken character I’ve seen in a fighting game since I’ve been playing (i.e. since '08). Vanilla Sagat has nothing on him. He was a bum compared to AE Yun.
Good news though is that Ono is obviously going to shit all over him with the next patch. Expect some recovery on that EX lunge and some reduced range on the grab. Dive kicks will stay the same because like others have said they are actually nothing special. They get beat by almost anything. When I play Yun’s online I’m praying they try to dive kick me. s.LK beats close DKs clean and s.HP beats long range DKs clean.
If you put Yun as he is right now into Vanilla SF4 he wouldn’t even be the best character. The damage and stun the top tier rolled out in that game would rape him.
Sagat is already considered one of Yun’s bad matchups because he can actually zone him, how I wish Vanilla Sagat was in this game just so I can see Yun players piss themselves when they’re up against the King lol.
It’s not only Sagat. Think about vanilla Akuma’s damage and stun output. One single opportunity for punishing Yun (and with the use of two ex bars for fadc) would result in a dizzy. Combined with a working coward-copter the matchup would be completely different / even in Akuma’s favor, I guess.
Totally agree with you. Sagat would rape. Thing is though, it’s all relative to context. Vanilla Sagat was nowhere near as broken as AE Yun is because, as powerful as he was, Ryu and Akuma were also beastly in that game. They had answers to everything he could do. AE Yun is like vanilla Sagat but without vanilla Ryu and Akuma to challenge him.
Also on a related topic, this thing about “the match-up will get easier as we learn how to play against him”. Well that’s not quite true either because although I’m sure a lot of new tricks and strategies will be found, Yun players will find new shit to use against us. Shit, they just found a Yang unblockable that works on Akuma. The match-up could get worse as well as better over time.
I agree, this is by far the most unbalanced version of SF4.
Totally disagree. Yun is similar to Rufus, you get what you see. As such he tops out pretty quick in terms of what he does. Sure there may be a new trick here or there, but Yun at this point won’t change much if at all within the next year IMO.
But that is only half the equation. The other half of why the matchup will improve is Akuma. The character needs to understand the ins and outs of the other characters, in this case Yun. That doesn’t come immediately, it’s one of the reasons why Akuma is so hard to learn. Once you understand what works, what tricks get you damage and how to deal with Yun the match will improve.
Cammy is a perfect example of this process. At the beginning of Super Cammy was raping Akuma’s face, so much in fact that many players felt it was a totally one sided match, 7/3 for example. By the end of Super when all the matchup specifics were revealed Tokido himself said the match was 50/50.
I’m not saying the match with Yun will be 50/50, but it will get much better.
I see what you’re saying. Good point. I hope you’re right because right now playing Yun is not much fun :S
I am really torn on which ultra to use against Yun. I have found so many uses for U1 in the match up including punishing his wake up, but at the same time having U2 stocked helps a ton for getting out of his rush down.
I’m in the same boat. U1 is so good to punish upkicks, but U2 let’s you port away from his pressure. So far I’m sticking with U1.
Common sense seems to be that offensive style is the better choice against Yun. So I’d prefer the Ultra that supports the offense over the one that helps out during defense. U1>U2
Maybe this is a little help for your dilemma . 
U2 is good for offense too.
after blocked dp. punish with s.hp into u2. instant 490 dmg and free set play after.
the reason for my u2. is that i mash reversal teleport against yun block string if they try to do block string into command grab instant teleport into u2
and also semi-safe against lunge punch.
however u2’s not gonna safe from teleport. i just got hit by players that does late lunge ex lunge punch into another lunge punch during my tp recovery. does massive 1/4 of akuma health straight into pressure… they can always bait out and get minimal target combo punish.
the biggest problem is that i can’t zone that yun. even with all concentration put into trying to dp. that bastard has too much ways to get in.
when he stays outside poke range and does his neutral jump mk and delay divekick whenever it gives me alot of headache.
and his ex lunge punch and shoulder just really bans me from doing so many thing its not funny.
Stand jab beats his dive kicks at almost any range. if you see a neutral jump just spam it as fast as you can.
Shoulder is punishable on block. I just do cr jab or cr short into light tatsu. All his non ex dash punches are easily punishable on block. I usually punish with a combo that throws him to the corner. If you can put him in the corner you can do some work on him.