At 2:10 Mago said that he thinks Gouki has the highest chance to be at the top in 2012, I’ve also seen Daigo say he thinks Akuma will be really high as well in a different article.
At 3:16 Tokido also says the same thing.
Whilea akuma is getting nerfs, not the biggest nerfs in comparison to some other characters but he is losing something, do you think he will be at the top?
Yun and Yang were his worst match ups so It would make sence that he would be considered strong now, but a lot of other characters are getting really big buffs, so do you really think Akuma will be better then all these characters?
These are the same people that said Seth was “not a good character” and that he’d be bottom tier… The nerfs to Akuma are significant in that they affect his gameplay and not necessarily his damage/stun output.
I’d like to know what their reasoning is to believe Akuma will be tops in v2012 after having many of his setups removed via the fwd throw nerf, his high/low mixups reduced after DF Palm can be blocked as an overhead and the adding of 2 extra frames on a blocked 2nd hit after a far standing RH. To me, this means that our matchups against shotos will be harder (no more setups after throws), our matchups against characters where our st. RH doesn’t whiff will get harder (especially grapplers) and our matchups against charge characters too since they don’t have a reason to stand to block DF palms and will be able to keep their down charge.
It’s like trying to convince people that 2 + 2 is really 5, even though anyone with a calculator (even a shitty one) can see it’s 4…
Yeah I agree, Especially the -2 RH nerf, thats a lot bigger then it looks, especially vs Zangief and Hawk, the throw might not be as bad because Im sure someone will get all the frame data and come up with a new set up that was like the old dash dash mk df one, something like dash, lp, hk df. Looks like it could work but I haven’t checked the data.
Anyway all being said, Tokido is really a technical genius when it comes to this character, so im sure he knows something that we don’t if he really thinks Akuma will be top.
This isnt really a thread on Akuma V2012, more of what diago, tokido and mago are saying about him, and our opinions.
Changes to Akuma’s forward throw seems to open new Safe jump setups using Palm/Dive against many characters even outside the corner now. People will just forget (throw - dash x 2) it’s more (throw-dash-deep RH Dive/Palm). Characters with 2 frame slower wake up animation will be victim to the classic safe-jump setups.
Zangief - Hawk matchup will be a knightmare there is no way in AE2012 to gain ground pressure, so guess its time to forget about the roundhouse kick and stick to the low strong, forward and rh, and jumping away with Air Fireballs.
Yeah, grapplers will be a pain, the RH covered a lot of ground, was safe on block, and could lead to a big combo on hit, but even though it is -2 on hit now, From max range they might not be able to Command grab you, the move has a lot of range, but so does gief jab command grab, I guess we shall see.
I’m still thinking it makes a lot of sense for Viper to be #1 come 2012. All that work finally pays dividends I guess!
Akuma will definitely be up there tho, once all the herpy derpy chars are excised the chars with the most options remain. Should be fun O_o[makoto main]
Well Daigo did say he was gonna pick Yun before he was even out in the arcades.
Only, he said he was doing it because he kinda liked him in 3S, then after his sponsorship he said he had to go with the characterwhich gave him the best chance to win.
Basically some insider stuff is entirely possible, though I don’t think we can expect them to revert anything. Must wait for the final changelog, v2012 is about 20 days from hitting japanese arcades.
If you are at the bow of a sinking ship you are technically the top, but that doesn’t mean you are higher than you were when the ship was still afloat.
Yeah the cast is getting weaker, but some great character Like sagat, bison etc, are getting little buffs no nerfs, and balrog, chun honda, who are already good characters are getting buffs, too balrog in particular looks promising. So yeah yun yang fei are getting nerfed, but the characters that were a little lower on the tierlist look like they will be able to compete.
I personally think Sagat will be in the top 3 again, yeah i know Akuma vs Sagat matchup is a match up in Akumas favour, besides that I dont see him having too much trouble with anyone else.
Well that’s so in Akuma’s favor that top Sagats consider it pretty much even and the #2 (well, arguably I guess) Akuma in the world counterpicks with Gouken lol.
If these nerfs stick how can Akuma be number #1? In Super Akuma and Ryu were on a similar tier, with Akuma being slightly better. In 2012 Ryu is getting buffed beyond his Super incarnation and this will be the weakest version of Akuma ever.
He will be good, but unless there is some technology they aren’t telling us about he won’t be tops.
Ryu isnt getting buffed beyond his super incarnation, hes getting little damage boosts and a easier ultra 2 as an anti air…
He still lost his best poke from super that isn’t getting back.
I’ve heard from initial reports that the c.MK still isn’t quite what it was in Super, but it is significantly better than AE with the extra active frames. So somewhere inbetween AE and super, but closer to super.
Ryu’s cr.mk will be very good after getting those active frames back, but it’s still not as good as it was in SSFIV & Vanilla because the hurtbox is worse now, the move’s reach is still the same though.