Akuma Set-up Thread: AE 2012 Specific

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Why u no read my posts Sol(badguy) :stuck_out_tongue:
btw would any DF kick/palm be effective as fake crossup(DFK for fake crossup and super wierd landing. DF palm cr.lk for a true crossup)? Seems nice vs some characters, but i cant really test now ;s

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There’s a pretty big difference between “Yah, they work, I tested them” and a demonstration that isn’t just for proof, but that also shows the timing.

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Good lord. Is it me, or do we have a shit-ton more setups than we did pre-2012?

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/facepalm

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Against Gief

Throw, Dash x2, j.MK

Fake cross up that stuffs lariet.

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You know, we could just keep going in an endless circle of you being completely ambiguous and uninformative, or you could just agree that a video demonstration leaves no doubt. It doesn’t matter if basic moves are used for timing or not if some people are still having issues, and aren’t sure exactly what “small step”, “slight delay” or “aim for X part” is and how it greatly affects the outcome.

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What u dont understand is that, this wasnt my point even though i can make it be as thats the point of multiple ppl confirming stuff+numbers dont lie lol. Im totally not “blaming” or sth that Sol took (an arrow in the knee) the time to put vids of some confirmed setups. It is nice to be able to watch them in a vid no doubt…
My point was that i wrote what shinakuma said (about the j.mk fake and true crossup depending on its timing) like a week earlier. Now, i really dont care AT ALL about getting some kind of credit for finding a setup etc (and im really sorry if i missed a post including any kind of stuff that i wrote about after said person did) and all i meant for this was sth along the lines of “damn, sol you could have known/demonstrated/used this knowledge earlier if you only read that post”. I hope you feel me :stuck_out_tongue:

So ends the circle. and the post while drunk :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyways back to the booze. I miss the training although i still get ideas while sleeping (true story!)

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Some info about the added recovery on the throw:
You can now safe jump chars with slower recovery times like Cammy, Sim, Rog with the old throw, dash, dash, j.rh setup. Also that same setup is slightly worse vs Viper (possibly more) as if you srk OS Viper will be able to fp tk feint and block the srk.

It is now possible to do throw, dash, dash, DF throw without delaying the DF at all. This is useful vs Abel as his only option out of it a backdash. Its also useful vs Cody, Bison, Rufus as you can DF palm safejump or DF throw instead with the same timing making it easier than before.

vs Bison, throw, dash, dash, j.rh mp/fp srk OS will now beat ex pc/scissors. In corner you can do a similar setup, throw, dash, dash, nj.mk OS mp srk will beat ex pc/scissors/reverse keeping him in the corner. If he does headstomp instead it will whiff and he will get some frame advantage (as u srk OS).

vs Sim, throw, dash, dash, j.rh mk tatsu OS will safejump his ex flame and catch any backdash and back teleport for a free fp srk afterwards (for the back teleport case).

Also DF palm whiff on crouching opponent (after their wakeup) like Ibuki, Sakura, Makoto

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The Gravy Train continues. Don’t stop me now. I almost have a set up for all of the cast

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Do you have a setup for Honda? Can’t find anything vs him. :confused:

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I just tested the j.mk corner setup against Fei and I couldn´t block it. Maybe it´s just me, but it seemed like a confirmed unblockable.

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could you please transcribe all of those setups and update the first post?
thx

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Strange enough Honda seems like one of the few characters in the game where a cross up is always a cross up. Even dive kick crosses him up fairly easily.

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Not going to lie. I can hit the classical unblockable rather consistently with dash c.MP

I am officially calling this the throw buff instead of the throw nerf.

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LOL! It does seem that way at first glance, but really, it makes things a little more complicated for Akuma players, especially new Akuma players, who will now have to rely even more on setups than ever before. sigh

On a side note, I tried the Yun setup 2 nights ago in an online match only to get stuffed twice. How delayed does the DF dive kick have to be? I tried to time it so it starts when I’m right over where his head would be (on wakeup). Should it be more delayed? Or maybe I’m not getting the fs.HK to go off early enough… I thought I had it down in practice mode. Damn lag!!

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Actually it doesn’t. It will take some time to relearn, but I actually like how much easier it is to time some of these set ups that before required a lot of work to hit.

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Corner set up off throw summary thus far

DEMONSTRATED SET UPS

Abel:
Timing: Dash x2
Early j.MK = Fake Cross up
Late j.MK = Real Cross up
Cammy:
Timing: Overhead (f.MP)
j.HK = Fake Cross up
j.MK = Real Crossup
Chun Li:
Timing: Dash c.MP
j.LK = Fake Cross up
Late j.MK = Real Cross up
C.Viper:
Timing: Overhead (f.MP)
j.MK = Unblockable
Deejay:
Timing:** **Dash c.MK
j.LK = Fake Cross up
Late j.MK = True Cross up
E.Ryu:
Timing: Classic Unblockable
j.MK = Unblockable
**Fei: **
Timing: Dash x2
j.HK = Fake Cross up
j.MK = Real Cross up
Guile:
Timing: Dash s.MP
j.MK = Unblockable
Ibuki:
Timing: Dash c.MP
j.MK = Unblockable
Juri:
Timing: Dash x2
Early j.MK = Fake Cross up
Late j.MK = Real Cross up
Ken:
Timing: Classic Unblockable
j.MK = Unblockable
Makoto:
Timing: Classic Unblockable
j.MK = Unblockable
Ryu:
Timing: Classic Unblockable
j.MK = Unblockable
Sagat:
Timing: Overhead (f.MP)
Early j.MK = Fake Cross up
Late j.MK = Real Cross up
Sakura:
Timing: Dash s.MP
j.HK = Fake Cross up
j.MK = Real Cross up
Yang:
Timing: Dash x2
Early j.MK = Fake Cross up
Late j.MK = Real Cross up
Zangief:
Timing: Dash x2
Early j.MK = Fake Cross up
Late j.MK = Real Cross up

KNOWN CROSS UPS, SET UP NEEDED

Rose: j.HK Fake Cross up
Blanka: j.HK Fake Cross up

NO SET UPS CURRENTLY DISCOVERED

Honda
El Furete
Vega
Balrog
T.Hawk
Adon
Yun
Dudley
Gouken
Gen
Dan
Oni
Dhalsim
Bison
Hakan

I have one for Seth, but I need to test it more

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Awesome job Loyal, very nice list there.

One question though, by “Classic Unblockable” timing you mean the whiff cr.mk + cr.lk or something else?

Again, thanks for all the work, I’ll try to help and see if I can find some setups for the rest of the characters (I doubt it though since it seems like you checked everything there is to test lol).

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Yea classic unblockable is the previous Dash x2 unblockable. I put that term there because I have been using Dash c.MP with some success.

Actually I just haven’t had the time to test it on those characters so it is always possible to find one. The only ones I had no luck so far was Bison and Honda.

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A fake crossup/true crossup setup vs Bison is all thats needed because of the ex pc etc. I wasted alot of time on him aswell lol