The runner also fucked up a bit, and only met the estimate because it was a safe time. They probably want to kill her by now.
Again, the best way to go was to tell everyone else she was 100% going to submit no matter what, so those that were holding their runs back would try to submit anyway, instead of doing that last minute bullshit.
Iâm not watching the shit, so what was the final time on that BotW run?
Because if it wasnât sub 45 minutes, the audience was cheated.
45:59 according to the schedule page.
Eh sharing information is fine but nobody has the right to try and dictate what others do with that and anybody who trys that shit is a fucking tool, plain and simple and it donât fucking matter one bit how many are trying to oppress everyone else or how much effort theyâve put into finding their own tech.
So yeah, fuck all that shit.
Look at our own communities, do you see people trying to stop new games being put into tournaments or on stream because early pools are going to look like shit when no-one knows what they are doing?
These days now info gets out so fast and âsaving that shit for the nationalsâ isnât as possible anymore you could argue that a fighting game tournament is every bit as much of a crystallization of community devoloped techniques as a speedrun but you know if anyone tried that bullshit that so called BoTW âcommunityâ tried with a fighting game theyâd be clowned on and ignored all day, probably even accused of hurting the game itself by not letting it get some momentum whilst itâs new and fresh, and rightly so.
We shit on eachother, we shit on eachotherâs games, we clown on eachother, get salty and say dumb shit, and all kinds of other communities calling us toxic over it, but Iâll embrace and fuck love that over having some jackasses calling themselves the â[whatever] communityâ telling me what I can and canât do any fucking day, and I have nothing but respect for people who ignore the pressure of groups like that and just do what they please in âcommunitysâ which have become that bad because whatever we get called, I can never see us being as toxic as that.
Youâre missing the point. You know who was one of the people Viscant thanked when asked about his Evo win? The fucking Wesker subforum. A lot of stuff happens thanks to multiple people putting in work. These people arenât saving shit for anything, its more of a âwell weâve all worked hard on this but it isnât there, should we show off what we have or wait til its polished like Mario 64â?
A lot of these little niches want other people to come play the games they love with them and make things better. That much is very obvious because half the time these guys are advertising their little communities. Thereâs a damn good reason they feel slighted by this person doing the run. Acting like she didnât end up hurting hella people and not showing their efforts in the best light is silly. It may not matter to us but it definitely hurt them.
You keep comparing it to people playing a new game when that isnât the situation. It very much seems that GDQ is kind of like an Evo like event for these guys. They get to show the damn planet all sorts of stuff theyâve been working on. Instead of releasing stuff that is as good as you can get it, youâre getting low bitrate music. Thereâs damn good reason theyâre hurt.
I mean, putting it in simplest terms, if youâre part of a relatively tight-knit community and you all agree on not to do something yet you go and break said agreement, is it really irrational for the community not to be upset with you? Thatâs what I donât understand here with this âfuck the BotW speedrun community for being upsetâ. This is very basic human social interaction at work here, not that I would expect a bunch of social neanderthals on SRK to understand.
SGDQ is not Evo. Itâs a event for charity first and foremost. Most of the runs at the event donât break world records or come close to it. Treating it like an Evo misses the entire point of the event. Having that agreement at all was dumb.
Just like the first comment on that reddit post mentioned, they all should have submitted and made it a race instead of trying to hold the game hostage until AGDQ just because it was new. You know people wanted to see that shit, and you know the game is popular enough to make it back in through another run/category too.
They do the tetris block every damn year with different modes so you know they could let BOTW in again for AGDQ. Who cares if it isnât the most optimized it could be at the time plenty of games there arenât, and itâs a pretty good chance that it wonât be the most optimized it could be even by the time AGDQ comes around. People find shit all the time in games that have been on the speedrunning block years longer.
But are they?
You look at the leaderboards and you donât see the top score with âThe BoTW Communityâ credited but you see a bunch of individuals, it looks less like a band releasing an album but more like a bunch of solo artists who will happily work together to increase all their projectâs quality but at the end of the day are all polishing their own individual project.
Put it this way, when you train with a buddy at locals you both want to get better and you both want the other person to keep getting better as well so you may share tips and tricks (âOh yeah that hitâs lowâ, âYou can actually punish thatâ) but at the end of the day you are both working on bettering your own individual games not a group project and Iâm sure neither person would think of making agreements outside of common sense shit like not bringing outside food into a venue that donât allow outside food ect.
Viscant might have thanked the Wesker board for the win and that is completely justified, right,ect. but on their part the Wesker board never will have tried to hold him back, they never will have agreed âYeah no-oneâs nailed Wesker yet, showing him off now would be doing all our hard work getting him down a disservice so letâs agree not to enter tournaments with himâ.
@âSpirit Juiceâ Iâm not arguing about whether the âcommunityâ should be upset about their agreement or not, Iâm arguing against the very existence of rules like this and against the validity of groups like that to make said rules.
I mean shit, what would you have said if some random dude from outside the âcommunityâ had entered, would he still be beholden to the unenforceable rules of a community he had no stake in?
Itâs especially tricky when the internet is involved because everyone has their own level of involvement in the community, for instance plenty of people who use the Wiki here will actively shit on us elsewhere for being âabrasiveâ or âtoxicâ or âelitistâ and never actually engage with us, to what extent are they part of our community, if we were to start making up rules on what people can and canât enter ect. would they count as being part of our community enough to be beholden to them or not?
What about things which have multiple communities because of various splits and schisms between groups, should a member of one clique care about the rules of another when big events roll around?
Nah it is one thing is the runner entered their run from the get go with intention to not abide by the community. But the fact is they waited till the last minute to submit their run where they are literally the only submission.
Thatâs some passive aggressiveness shit that isnât respectable. If they were like from the start like, âum fuck that, Im not listening to you guys, Im enteringâ it would be different. But literally casing the landscape, waiting for better runners to remove their runs and slipping through on the deadline is some creep creep
While I can on some level respect the pragmatism of waiting until the last second to defy the community, the fact this broad had the nerve to do such a weak run, when better players are hitting near 40 minutes or less WR runs is laughable.
You only do shit like that when you know your skills ainât up to snuff.
Yeah fair enough, that part was whack.
But you can now also believe that the BOTW speedrunning community will want nothing to do with this âlone rangerâ and they basically had their one moment at SGDQ. Iâll be very surprised if they have help in the community from this point forward, as Iâm sure theyâre very salty from the betrayal and wonât let this go for the longest time, if ever!
Tbf, the whole community didnt want to participate. I mean, its2 BotW, the zelda gsme everyone wanted to see at any event. She was like, Ill make some bank off this shit while these idiots hide in their hermit holes.
Was it a good run? No, but when the âcommunityâ wants to deny fans what they want they can fuck off. She at least gave people BotW to watch. Itâll get better as years go on.
You donât get it. The analogy is that GDQ event is the EVO of speedrunning, itâs the single biggest speedrunning event that happens twice a year and everybody (or at least those who can afford so) try and submit their games/run for them. They both have the biggest amount of attendees and participants, they both gather huge amounts of viewers on Twitch, and they both serve as the biggest stages for showing off yourself and the community you represent by signing up
They didnt want it at gdq because they didnt have an optimized run. Which is dumb as fuck cause the viewers would know that and watching someone beat the game under an hour is still impressive and something weâd all watch regardless of optimization.
Itâs not any of these things. It doesnât matter what they think it is because itâs not meant to be that. As crappy as the BotW run apparently was it raised $100K. Thatâs more important than wounded pride.
Whether youâd liek to admit it or not, it obviously IS given how much of a hassle it is to get on it and how seriously people take their runs. Itâd be stupid to pretend that GDQ wasnât the worldâs biggest showcase of speed running. It may be a charity event, but its also a massive spotlight on the games and how they are ran.
but I mean, some of you motherfuckers wanna ignore the fact that runs are essentially a collaborative effort so this level of obtuseness shouldnât surprise me.
Considering what happened, I really doubt the runner submitted their application at the last minute for the love of the game, community, and charity. All signs point to a ploy to get their name out there and get exposure. Itâs great that the BotW run made a lot of money, but thatâs not really the point.
Who cares. Most popular runners did the same shit. Do whatever, play whatever the flavor of the year is to get exposure. Let this smart dude do what he can to get ahead of all the other autistic runners.