Turn your console off quickly, as so to avoid the imminent cross-up shenanigans resulting in your untimely death.
goddamnit. This shitty 3F/mashing/reversal/2hours buffer game made so many people forget that there is a guard…
That’s why I play Makoto , I don’t feel cheap like that … when people call me cheap (grab into ultra blah-blah damage stun etc.) I usually answer with “but you have shoryuken” … and focus canceling makes it even worse in my opinion … what I hate the most is focus attacks … when it comes to blocking I think someone here posted my matches against a cammy player , I don’t even move I just wait and block and tech
Oh and sorry for the off-topic , but did someone see the finals of devastation ?! So sick … justin wong is so good with rufus … and he plays so simple , but yet so amazing … I usually dont like him overall , but no doubt he’s a very good player
So yesterday I play a 11000 bp claw and he beats me 5-0. That’s fine mentally because I feel that I simply don’t know the match up and he has more experience. But i also play a 3000 bp ryu and i lose about 6-7 in a row. Now that sucks because ryu unlike most other characters, doesn’t seem to get any easier. I feel I understand the match fairly well but fear of dp always makes me play too safe, and then if I try to play aggressive…bad news. I’ve run into several styles of ryu play and they all beat me (except the obvious noobs) the turtles keep me out, that damn crouch forward is too fast for my reactions in footsie games. Then there are the ryu players who block your first attack and then start mashing dp, breaks up all my pressure. The ones that throw a lot get me because i get thrown a lot period, especially the walk up on my wake up throw. So then I try to wake up tech which of course leads to the fake out with ex tatsu. I think I hate ryu more then anyone else…
BTW, I understand I just need to use more of the “cheap” cross ups and other tatics revealed in this forum and balance out the match. Gotta hit the lab
This is so difficult to deal with because it is so effective. just crouching and being random with lights/throw/DP/ultra is messed up. I can’t remember who said this awhile back, but this was when we were first learning the Gief Matchup. They said something along the lines of “they get to guess forever and they are safe most of the time even if they guess wrong. We also have to guess forever but if we guess wrong once we die…” Its like that but just with most characters. It’ll be worse in 2012 belive me we are going to have some fucking issues with other characters that we haven’t had before (or that got better from super>AE). Think Guile, Cody, and Oni. Yes Oni. Dude got like 35 buffs or some shit and I’ve been lurking in their forums and they are licking their chips (well me too since I play oni lol). He his basically a DBZ Boudokai character now but just on 2012 dude is going to be ridiculous. Oh yeah and Hakan. Don’t forget the nigga starts off oiled now lmao if that’s not OP i dont’ know what is lol. Ken’s DP does like 500 damage now… Ryu got c.MK back… yeah there are going to be some struggles, but we just have to play differently than we were used to. I don’t think it’ll be worse… just different.
At least we got charged Hayate buff eh??? Fucking capcom…
Has any one actually ever charged a super long hayate on there wake up watch them srk or ultra or something LOL then you cancel it it’s pretty hilarious .
Btw just a basic frame quesiton when a move is used as a reversal it’s considered armour breaking right and you lose 1 frame off or something like that can some one please clarify for me 
Robot Makoto "and if you have to guess if he’ll empty jump or dive, base it on if he has U1; if he has U1, try to AA every time, more than likely that’s the intent. "
Yeah, learning that hurts.
On the Dan matchup you’ll have to watch for conditioning when he is pressuring you with Dan kicks. It is fairly easy to condition characters with weak reversals to sit and block the LK/HK “mix up” then start throwing in the MK which hits twice and then go for the throw, or instant air Danku them to destroy their tech once they catch on. You’ll have to read the player.
Also watch out for back throw into Dan kick cross up shenanigans. I don’t know about other Dan players but my main goal for most characters is to get them into the corner, especially if they have weak reversals. I’ll opt for placing them in the corner over a little extra damage.
Expect lots of pokes, knee pressure, throws, and EX Gados to lock you down. If you think you can jump you’ll probably be kneed in the face, which will lead to continued pressure or U2.
As Robot stated: c.mk and s.mp. These two moves are usually what steal my shenanigan momentum from me and force me to play footsies.
Exaggeration is the highest form of slap stick comedy! : )
But yeah, Im waiting to hear about how we will deal with 85% of the staff getting buffer. We may feel makoto is no worse but those other guys have gotten better
I don’t see how any good player would fall for this… since Hayates are punishable on block, and charged Hayates are MORE punishable on block lol. so why not just block…
Only exception is if they think you’re trying to chip out a win. But in that case wouldnt’ ultra be better? Just my opinion. Man if charge 3-5 Hayate was unblockable THEN we’d be in business. They’re just messing with our heads… 
I like how I type “AE 2012 Makoto Changes” into google and “The nerfage” Thread comes up first lol.
facepalm
Don’t worry about Cody.
He got only 2 important things (faster walk and better hitbox on MK RK).
It is not enough to change this match-up.
nah just makes grabbing him more annoiying since he might be able to just walk out like bison/cammy/viper/akuma/etc. Just depends on how much the walk speed changes. Not really worried about ruffian since you can Karakusa on reaction lol.
Forward walk is better than before and seems to be on Ken’s level.
However you still cannot bait SRK by back walking or back dashing :(.
Cody is my main, but I am trying to learn Makoto.
Too bad that they share bad match-ups.
What is the top 5 worst matchups for Makoto?
hmmm … lemme give you my worst matchups
1: Bison
2: VRyu
3: Bison
4: Yang (again , vryu’s fault for this to be here lol)
5: Guile
6: BONUS: T. Hawk
Fucking hilarious. Your #2 spot doesn’t belong to a character but to a player. lol. That looks like my list except it’s missing about another 20 characters.
You know i have had no trouble at all with bison since Vryu explained the s.HK thing to me. What problems are you having with Bison?
**OH and if we could have a “vryu” section entered into the matchup section it would be great cause that’s a tough matchup (thats your cue Robo). **
I honestly think Yang is harder than yun. Don’t know why. s.hks all day to everything Yun does from afar and just try to keep him off me. Yang… i dont’ know, dude is good. Its fei with a dive kick. im just saying.
Guile? Really? 1 KD and hes done lol. cross up Tsurugis ALL DAY LONG. He has nothing. Once he’s in the corner he’s dead. If you’re losing to AE Guile, its time to get a little more patient. IMO Dee Jay is harder…
T-Hawk? Jump back HP. All day. Come on man you know this lol. Oh and dash up and normal grab a lot lol. Thawks HATE that. And their grab range is not like giefs…
Of course I was kidding about the Vryu thing Robo. Here I’ll write it:
Vryu Matchup Information
Spoiler
Try not to die too quickly. Besides that, I got nothing.
OH yeah I forgot, he knows all of your tricks cause he made them all up lol so try not to die too quickly.
If you try not to die TOO quickly, then you might have a chance at winning. Unfortunately, that chance is around 0-1%.
Its actually easier to hit him once and turn the game off. BUT, if you leave the game on, try not to die too quickly.
ACTUALLY, I learned that if you troll him a bit with Tsurugis, he’ll kill you more slowly. But only because he’s in block stun. Once he’s out, just try not to die too quickly.
Hmmmm that’s about it. HOPE THIS HELPS!!!
About bison , I just hate that son of a … uhhhh … the moment i see his ugly face all I can think of is “no , im gonna lose this” just because I dont have positivity I cant win against him , I just KNOW that i’ll lose and the match is already settled … about yang well … in my opinion he’s better than yun cause you can play him safe … that gives him a big advantage (alioune vs daigo … my money is on alioune , seriously)Guile is annoying cause I cant jump around those sonic booms … they are either too slow or too fast and the moment it hits you start getting pissed off (and thats what they want usually , btw , imstilldadaddy is kicking me from his games for some reason , supposedly he’s the best(?) guile in europe) … I hate t hawk cause he’s got 65 different uppercuts , grabs and all sorts of stupid shit … about the vryu matchup … it’s usually around 3-17 (out of 20) lol … and those 3 are when he tries to do something or just practice longer combos … you havent played against a good yang i suppose … yang is insane … his mixup is deadly AND safe -.- stuns you in 1 mixup if you have average stun (i think makoto has more , not sure though)
EDIT: I’ll try not to die too quickly next time … thanks for the advice … it was helpfull … truly helpfull
I can’t speak for all Makotos. I can only speak for myself.
- Fei Long
- Yang
- Cammy
- T. Hawk
- Yun