Alot of characters, who were worse off than Viper to begin with, are also wondering why they got nerfed
Why do you SJC an EX tk after a Seismo? Just curious.
I meant EX TK, followed by regular seismo (then BK), but the timing for that is so sensitive already.
I find it funny you saying this when you were complaining about Akuma getting nerfed who is also a top tiered character. <.<
minus 10 damage on burn kicks…wow I never thought it would come to this. Now there’s almost no way in hell Viper’s gonna beat Honda. Ofcourse its makes a little bit of sense since they gave her the mid-screen FFF->ex seismo-> burn kick -> U1 back, but her damage has been nerfed overall, while her bad match-ups got more damage. Fighting Honda was literally a game in wich you tried to lure him into doing something stupid, leading into a knockdown, so you could FINALLY do a burn kick mix-up after being carefull for the whole match…well I guess we’re going to see some 3-7 match-ups for Viper in AE 2012.
Not going to change mains but imo this should have come with a (damage) buff for the normal seismos since thats the move you’re forced into when playing most of her bad match-ups. It would help a lot vs Gief and Honda.
This thread makes me sad.
I sincerely, wholeheartedly agree with you. I think this forum is the single most depressing forum.
We even have Viper players coming over to the Gen section asking about match-up specific advice for their character against gen instead of here at this point. So depressing, but nontheless Viper is still played the same. These (in some cases slight) damage nerfs are a lot better than doing something like altering her frame advantages and such or giving BK’s height restrictions. So if you’re good with Viper you’ll still be good in AE2012 except you need to hit some extra buttons. It’s not liker her bad MU’s like Honda are getting so much better in AE2012 either so there’s that for you guys.
I agree that I’d prefer damage nerfs over lost frames. It just seems like she is going in the direction of “high risk, high reward” to “high risk, medium reward.” I thought her appeal was she does lots of damage but dies easily. Very Achilles in that sense (the actual character, not his heel).
ITT: Non viper players pretending they know what its like to be a viper player. For real you clowns have no idea.
I don’t play Viper, but I know that losing 10 damage on Burn Kick isn’t even close to a big deal.
Niggas in here talking about considering a character change after losing 10 damage on fucking BK…
Like who?
Right but dont compare how much yang got changed compared to how much viper is getting changed. Dont you think that says something about AE Yang? Theres a reason viper players dont want her nerfed but everyone who doesnt play viper wants her nerfed. shes EXTREMELY delicate. you cant change much about her without ruining her. am i concerned about her? not really. its gonna be one or two more mixups + less damaging punishes. not an enormous deal but it will affect matchups.
Nobody wants their character nerfed, but everybody more or less accepted the imminent damage nerfs. To my knowledge, this is what we’ve been receiving.
I honestly don’t see how these little damage nerfs here and there are such a problem. We lost 40 damage on our ultra, 20 damage on EX Seismo, 10 damage on BK and 10 damage on BK. Life got harder by one BK/one Seismo/one MP Thunder Knuckle.
We’re still high-risk, high reward. We still hit and stun like a truck. Life is still good for Viper in AE. Honda is still just as annoying, Blanka got a little more annoying, Guile is still Guile, Bison is still Bison, Chun is still Chun, Rog is still Rog and so on.
I don’t want Viper nerfed… I don’t want anybody nerfed… and it’s not about Yang v. Viper in terms of nerfs… it’s about a character that got materially changed, versus a character that didn’t change in any meaningful way at all. It’s obvious that Viper will be the exact same character in 2012 that she has always been.
And like I said before… to call it “1-2 more mix-ups” is only accurate, if you are currently killing all of your opponents with the EXACT amount of HP they have. The reality is that you are currently overkilling, just like everyone else is, by a decent amount. Add in Vipers upped ability to land Ultra, mid screen, and the reality is that anyone bitching about Viper… is bitching just to bitch.
Again… shit’s got nothing to do with Yang. I may not play Viper, but it’s obvious that you’re gonna have to land, like one Jab more, per match. BK nerf… Ok… you’re only landing BK’s on good players, either A) at the end of a combo (at which point the damage difference will amount to like 2-3 points of damage because of scaling… or about one quarter of a percent of the average character’s lifebar… think about that…), or B) with some random BK mix-up, which will still net you a knockdown… will still give you the same advantages (minus a full whopping 1% of the average character’s lifebar), and still carry the same risks. Strong TK nerf… same thing. Ultra nerf… same shit. You’re really only sacrificing 15-20 points of damage, after a combo into Ultra. It’s nothing to cry about.
What i hate is the type of thinking I see on this forums, a lot of people on this forums are hypocrites they ask for dumb buffs that will break their character, one main thing i dislike is “hey my character been nerfed too hard so lets go complain about another character and drag their character to hell with us” im not talking about C.Viper in general talking about the cast as whole, I don’t play Viper just posted here to share my thoughts.
I have a bad feeling this is the calm before the storm and they’re going to completely fuck her over stun wise after the beta Hp stun nerfed, mp tk stun nerfed jump hp/hk nerfed.
Please don’t do it capcom.
Prays to lord master ono
Nah I doubt they would mess with her stun that badly.
I’m happy with the changes. The damage nerds suck but I’m hype about the ultra buffs! Maybe U2 will finally be useful in a matchup or two 
You are so sure of that. Plenty of characters stun has been nerfed hard since SFIV
Yup. Pretty sure. Her stun is fine I think.