Dunno if this was mentioned before and I missed it, but on the front page translations it was listed that EX TK had 2 more frames of recovery (though not really specified if hit/block/etc.), but the Unity translation specifically says the two extra recovery frames were on hit. Wouldn’t that mean it’s still the same on block/whiff so it’s actually not more punishable as before like some were saying?
Yes it said something along the lines of now having more time to combo after it so I’m guessing it’s +2 onto whatever it was before.
Nah, it’s definitely recovery, this is what was said:
“[EX Thunder Knuckle]: Start up has been reduced to 25 frames. However upon hit, Viper gains an additional +2 frames of recovery. As start up time has been reduced, the move should be more useful in punishing an opponent’s back dash.”
I’m not mad that viper’s damage got nerfed. Honestly, I’m mad because I have to play better as a result. Definitely not a good reason. It’s not a massive amount of damage, but it matters when one of your best tools is (trade) fierce.tk > U1. I agree, it could have been easily much worse… Also gief stun buffs, wtf.
Another thing that pisses me off is that before evo, I never heard shit about how Viper was “too strong”.
Also, with the past couple games we Viper players never asked for much, the U1 hitbox fix, maybe a cr.strong hitbox fix, etc. Now 2012 is announced and all we asked for was to keep her the same. Then this happens lol. Yeah, its not TOO bad, but it really didnt have to happen at all which is sad.
Well, apparently Ryu deserved a nerf since Daigo wins with him. Also Honda since Mike Ross is good with him. Also Akuma since Tokido is good with him. Make Top 8, get nerfed biatch.
Be glad you didn’t end up like Super Sagat or AE Guile.
Looking at yang changes I’m so grateful for the viper changes,It could have been so much worse for us we’re just lucky Capcom were in a good mood when changing viper.
Yeah, they definitely over-nerfed yang. Nemo is probably smashing his head.
I don’t understand the mentality of just because another character has gotten more or worse nerfs that it isn’t ok to complain about this. How would the big ups know how we feel about it if we don’t let them know how we feel? If you don’t speak they’ll continue to do the same thing. If you speak there’s a better chance for change.
I don’t see how in the world it makes sense that voicing your opinion on one thing is ok, but on both it’s not.
i was hoping theyd nerf sakura out of principle just because you know
theres no way uryo is just so good as a player you know… it has to be his character!
Damn right. And they didnt even fix Guile for 2012
Its not that the Viper nerfs are bad or anything. I just dont understand why they nerfed Viper and buffed her bad matchups. Also, I dont think Yang deserved all of the nerfs he got. Maybe just a rekka nerf of 15 or something.
I’m sad about this because Yang is played in my offline group and is an interesting char. On the bright side maybe you’ll end up whining in Yang forums or generals, instead of trying to troll here.
Nobody trolling here.
You guys are just bitching about absolutely nothing, and could use some perspective.
I’m actually thinking of switching to viper since she is going to be so good even with these tiny little insignificant baby nerfs.
still waiting to make sure this is it though. if they touch her burn kick or really nerf her stun output then its a different story
some of you guys really just don’t have a clue about viper and have no right to whine/cry about these (subtle) changes anyway.
especially anyone who thinks you could only catch fff x seismo ~u1 midscreen in vanilla, its in all the versions just youtube kyabetsu.
only thing that annoys me about these changes is that they tried to make u2 more of an option which it might be, but i doubt it, at least it will make the blanka match slightly easier
I still wonder if you can still, with these changes, chain a regular seismo to an EX TK that connects. The window was already so small, so I wonder if 2 frames makes it harder or impossible.
updated the first post (and will continue to do so) with new updates.
WHY?! Why reduce the damage? The U1 nerfs were enough, and the frame after EX kills the normal seismo chain. I wish they explained their reasoning…