The long start up was good at OSing teleports, which is why it was ideal vs Akuma but since he can counter with U2 you have to be more careful with it. It was also good at punishing badly spaced Air Fireballs.
Yeah Ive been using it to punish back dashes after training my opponent that I’m going to seismo on their wakeup, using it as a long distance AA hopefully getting a trade after the first hit then dash to ultra, and sometimes I pull it out KNOWING that my opponent is going to block and dealing with the follow up accordingly, since most of the time when she passes through she is too far to grab and most sweeps take too long to come out. But now, I know a lot of characters that can do some major work with 7 frames.
It’s a free Ultra in a lot of cases if it’s -7.
It remains to be seen what those ball knockdown buffs mean for Blanka, but if it causes a hard knockdown and Blanka can FADC into +frames (I doubt they’re gonna give him that sort of buff), it’s gonna be tougher for Viper. Remember, she’s one of the chars that he has an unblockable against. Her hit-box on wake-up is really susceptible ambiguous x-ups and if he can get into a position where she has to guess between ambiguous j.mk/hp and the OS’d follow-up, she’s screwed. From an offensive perspective, it’s still the same match because she can stun Blanka quickly. Defensively, it might get tougher.
It also means you have to make maybe 1 or 2 more good offensive reads on him because of the damage nerfs to EX Seismo and MP TK. So basically, she can guess wrong 1 less time, and he can guess wrong 1 more time.
not sure if this has been mentioned, but it’s not that the few nerfs that Viper got is the problem
It’s the fact that she got a slight damage nerf while most of the cast is getting slight buffs that’s the problem
Lol most people who mentioned it were put on blast cos the rest feel that Viper got off lightly. Anyway, I still think it’s better to wait for the game to drop before getting too salty/hype about changes. Doesn’t change the fact that I’m unhappy that they’re nerfing anyone’s damage though…
It’s good to let them know here how you feel about it as Capcom listens somewhat what the community says. They stated that with the change they made to Sakura.
Viper’s damage nerfs were unwarranted, they didn’t buff any of her normals in return. She doesn’t have much else but damage, ex seismo should have stayed the same if everything else was changed.
Yeah the bad part is that most character forums wishlist bullshit had people asking for stupid buffs, and the Viper one was just “keep her the same”. What confuses me more is that Ono mentioned something about not really nerfing the good characters and instead bringing everyone else to their level. I think its pretty obvious we’re going to see a list of nerfs for Yun…
But I’ll admit the more I go over the changes in my head the less upset I am. Yeah it’s bs that people that stuck with a character through mediocrity and players that put so much effort into pushing their mind games and mix ups let alone execution to the extreme get rewarded with “Oh, you do too much damage”. But at the same time, its not SUPER bad damage reduction. I just hope they didnt secretly mess with her stun levels
For what EX Seismo is, the damage nerf seems kind of warranted but when I see the damage go from 120 to 100 then look at Feis flame kick go from 200 to 190 Im like WTF? I figured they’d maybe take it down to 170…
I think we should each dedicate a moment of silence to our deceased nemesis Yang Lee.
Not until we can safejump him.
You can already safe jump him…
Was just a joke, poking fun at his supposed wake-up glitch.
Meanwhile, over at the "Theory fighter v 2012 " thread people are saying that Viper will run the game along with Ken and/or Sagat.
Again, with every other char getting dmg buffs and better moves (Cody walk speed,Hakan pre oiled,etc) why would Viper be anything than top 10 at most?
Thoughts?
yeah and these are the same people who think throwing her on wake up when she has meter and ultra is a good idea
or cant block burning kicks
bye viper forums i dont want to play a character anymore that so many dumbfucks that have misconceptions about her
don’t quit man, just keep trollin’ em.
I wasn’t really upset about these nerfs at first but with now that I have my main, third, and fourth’s information about their changes I am. All the other characters I use have gotten some great buffs. I want my first love to get the same treatment too.
I’ve been playing Viper since vanilla SFIV, and I am alright with these changes. I suspected she would be nerfed in AE2012, and worried that it might be worse than this, even. I don’t think the MPTK nerf was really necessary, but it’s not a big deal.
Hi Viper players.
Look at Yang change list, and stop bitching.
Thank you.
The yang nerfs were bullshit, if thats what you are saying.