AE Matchup Discussion: Vega, Yang, Yun, Zangief

You can do hop -> AA U2 vs. twins.

Also Gief matchup is slightly worse, and the ball nerf isn’t the issue with it, it is the spd buff + ex rainbow change.

Still 6-4 Blanka, but I thought it was 6.5-3.5 in super. You just have to be more careful. cr.hp anti air is godlike vs. him though.

What about ultra 1?

Blanka vs Gief in AE (utemasuka vs CANTONA)

You know what will help against Yun/Yang

is a guide that focuses on dive kicks…

like which moves during which options beat out which types of dive kicks (if not beat out all… or lose to all)

i think the most frustrating part for me now (kinda like fighting Abel) is not knowing when is a good time to counter which moves i should be using when they are dive kicking…

right now… IF they are not trying to meat you with dive kicks… and they are attempting to do cross up with it… s.HK seems like a good option…

obviously… ex upball is good in pretty much all scenarios other than meaty dive kick…

-LAU

Played against Yun in tournament on saturday and I think that buffered elec is absolutely a must in the matchup. If you throw out standing strong buffer electricity, if you do a whiff jab ball buffer electricity, if you whiff a jab, buffer electricity.

The ability to have a 1 button special move at your disposal is far and away a big part of what keeps things going well for you.

St.strong buffer elec blows yun’s footsies up unless he does something random.

are you buffering LP-elec or what?

when you buffer elec you technically have every strength buffered, lp and ex not only have the best startup, but they also allow inputs to be stored the longest, so those are my two primary options. EX will trade less often and does more damage, but I like to save my meter for ex upball for when I am in a situation with no elec buffer.

thx!

I also wanna mention… since we’re on the subject of buffered electricity…

from my experience it seems like against Yun/Yang’s dive kicks (or probably others) the start up electricity kinda sucks against their dive kicks… but the continuation pretty much beats their dive kicks clean.

so… if you end up to try to delay your buffered electricity and try to do it when they are already diving at you… it might be too late… you might get hit out of electricity… because you kinda need to activate the post-initial hit of electricity to be effective… unlike when you’re going in with jab->electricity pressure you only want the initial hit.

-LAU

I actually disagree. I find the electricity whiffing when I do it too soon, at startup you completely out hitbox them.

I think it’s just a timing thing.

electricity whiff them… only happens to me when

  1. i did it too late… (i get stuffed)
  2. i didn’t do enough “hits” so meaning i ended too early…

during both of these scenarios… sometimes the animation SEEMS to have the electricity touching them… but doesn’t do crap…

I rarely see me doing “continuous electricity” and they are able to dive at me… actually it’s close to never…

-LAU

yeah mashing electricity is no way to go about things, I just buffer, then react to the dive by tapping jab. I find the timing pretty easy.

I’m not sure if this is already in the thread, but I’m going to post it as a reminder for myself anyway: Blanka standing roundhouse beats Yun lunge punch clean on reaction. Worst case scenario you trade, and the trade seems to be on Blankas favor, but properly timed you come out with enough space for a hop whatver/slide mixup afterwards. This doesn’t work against the EX version, or at least I haven’t had any luck with it. You just eat it.

I find that once you shut down Yuns dive kick game with electricity and keep him out with standing mp and hp, eventually they go for that random lunge punch. Has anyone else had luck with this?

random lunge punch isn’t a problem either… unless they are going for the ex version… mainly because any other lunge punch they are pretty much punishable on block… so there’s really not much to be afraid of there…
-LAU

seems like elec and s.HK is the way to beat yun!
both beat divekick or trade heavily in your favour!
when yun is upclose as soon as he leaves the ground for that fuckin dive kick I hit HK and I’m fine! its a reaction thing, but if you expect it, it should work! if he is far away i prefer elec cuz it beats the delayed divekick too

st.mp vs. Yun is godlike

Also buffered electricity is hitting for me less, but it is preventing divekicks over my head which I like, because it allows me to hit buttons where i like to.

Zangief: Mk.RainBow beats lariet clean everytime, trades only when done completely early. There must be some setup to condition Gief to lariet it, need to find what it is. Maybe Gief can punish on hit with GreenHand? Likely. Just throwing this out there. I hate RainBow balls, never use them… but I found this interesting regardless.

he cant punish on hit cuz rainbow knocks down!

Played the Yun match some more.

The match at midscreen is all about fake palm/real palm. Trying to train myself to react to real palm and not fake.

To toss my hat into this electricity ring:

From my experience, elec beating dive kicks is simply a matter of active frames.
During startup and recovery, divekick beats the hell outta elec.
During active frames, even continuing, mash the hell outta the buttons active frames, the elec always beats the divekicks.