AE Gouken Moveset and Attributes

[howling]

maybe if there was a motion where I could get the st. hk right before getting the tatsu…

[Kikuichimonji]

The tatsu would have to be 1 frame after you hit the s.hk. I’m going to argue that’s practically impossible.

[howling]

Are you sure? How do you know that, just wondering? I know that ken’s kara-throw has much more leniency than 1 frame, so maybe that’s different for gouken?

[Reipin_Pillage]

The tatsu would have to be 1 frame after you hit the s.hk. I’m going to argue that’s practically impossible.

It’s possible. Desk does a 540 in 6 frames right? 540/6 = 90 degrees per frame.

Not practical but possible, right?

[takinflight]

Anything else we can kara and I’m not seeing? I wish there was a way of kara-ing kick moves, haha. Get that tatsu juggle on every char.

ive got a kara throw thats up in the labwork thread. I can cross the screen with about 7 st.mk too! you can kara quite a bit of shit with Gouken in a very untraditional way

[Reipin_Pillage]

What are you talking about? You really need to get a shit phone with a video cmera or something.

[takinflight]

the methodology is not cryptic some of theses XBL goukens Ive spoken to over microphone and they know what it do…Ive shown them first hand…I wish what ive posted recently didnt require further explanation but unfortunately theres some subtle shit in there no one has cared to look at if you peep labwork…

Ive been keeping my fingers crossed in hopes yall are listening…
im honestly trying to move forward but not without a couple handfuls of the best from here.

[Reipin_Pillage]

Sure guy.

[howling]

Takin is right, the kara-throw distance does change depending on how early or how late you press the lp+lk. You can make shin sho travel about a training mode little block more by using this technique, but it does require some timing.

Also, takin, how do you travel the screen with 7 st. mk?

[Reipin_Pillage]

the methodology is not cryptic

Also, takin, how do you travel the screen with 7 st. mk?

Apparently it is, cause I had no idea what the fuck you were talking about either, hence my first comment, get a video camera cause I have no idea what you are talking about.

Are you trying to say st.mk gives a better kara then st.hk? Just fucking say it.

Seriously dude, you make some claims that need to be verified by video.

[howling]

If you combine the standard kara throw with this fun technique ive come across of : F,D,F and throw it works sort of like a manual kara throw. Do it fast enough so you get gouken to dip down and forward a bit , yet slow enough that no fireball comes out, combine this AND standard kara throw for even more distance than a normal kara throw: f,d,f, hk+lp+lk. Try in training to see how much more distance you can get out of it because it does vary slightly.

Was gonna record and post it but fuck it. Came from training mode and wanted to see exactly
how much more distance could be added to standard kara throw using this command:

:f::d::f:***+hk+lp+lk***

I found out that although this is not instantaneous as standard kara throw but shit will DOUBLE the distance when executed properly, as it is essentially a walk forward quick duck plus kara throw in one.

Someone else try this and let me know how you like it or if its even useful for you.

I think that`s that he means?

[takinflight]

indeeed howling…

[Reipin_Pillage]

I think that`s that he means?

What the hell does that have to do with getting across the screen in 7 mks?

How does ducking in that sequence help? Looks like you just walk forward and do a kara throw. Why even bother ducking when that one frame could be spent walking forward more? It still doesn’t increase your kara throw range. If I walked halfway across the screen and did kara throw I just increased my kara throw ability by 50 times!

Ducking doesn’t make you move forward at all. When you stand back up you are in the same place as when you ducked.

I look at that and I think, “I’ll be lucky not to demon flip cause of shortcuts”. This is why I’d like to see a video.

EDIT: BTW A kara throw is when you cancel out of the startup frames of one move into another, so walking forward does nothing in terms of your ability to increase a karathrow range.

[Imm0rt4l]

My mind is full of fuck.

[takinflight]

What the hell does that have to do with getting across the screen in 7 mks?

How does ducking in that sequence help? Looks like you just walk forward and do a kara throw. Why even bother ducking when that one frame could be spent walking forward more? It still doesn’t increase your kara throw range. If I walked halfway across the screen and did kara throw I just increased my kara throw ability by 50 times!

Ducking doesn’t make you move forward at all. When you stand back up you are in the same place as when you ducked.

I look at that and I think, “I’ll be lucky not to demon flip cause of shortcuts”. This is why I’d like to see a video.

EDIT: BTW A kara throw is when you cancel out of the startup frames of one move into another, so walking forward does nothing in terms of your ability to increase a karathrow range.

The fb motion is just for timing sake and to give you an idea of the leniency as well as ducking the hitbox to as you approach the opponent, he sees you walk, duck , then gets kara thrown. Its proven itself easier for me now to just lightly tap forward and use karathrow as soon as I see him nudge forward.

Gouken is one of a few characters that can “slide” with subtle forward taps. Akuma for example is very rigid when he walks , as soon as you push a direction he moves. Gouken is slightly different in that there is alot of play when you move him.

If you time back to back st mk’s properly you can see Gouken move a little each time, if not timed properly you will stay stationary. Inside this sweet spot if you tap forward while hes still recoiling from the first st.mk, you will see Gouken slide a considerable distance with successive kicks , hence being able to travel across screen with about 7 st.mk’s or so by lightly tapping forward in between each kick.

[howling]

I understand what you mean about that sliding motion, even if it’s not instant, it can be useful. I’ve been doing that with kara-focus canceled into a dash into a kara-throw, with that swag slide. Even though it sounds a bit crazy, it makes you able to grab at makoto’s dash range(when you do it the way I mentioned).

[munawwir]

All that just went past my head :xeye: Only a video would help me understand that. Slow learner alert.

[climaxter]

My mind is full of fuck.

There could be worse things to fill your mind with…

[takinflight]

I understand what you mean about that sliding motion, even if it’s not instant, it can be useful. I’ve been doing that with kara-focus canceled into a dash into a kara-throw, with that swag slide. Even though it sounds a bit crazy, it makes you able to grab at makoto’s dash range(when you do it the way I mentioned).

I like that idea I will try soon

[takinflight]

I understand what you mean about that sliding motion, even if it’s not instant, it can be useful. I’ve been doing that with kara-focus canceled into a dash into a kara-throw, with that swag slide. Even though it sounds a bit crazy, it makes you able to grab at makoto’s dash range(when you do it the way I mentioned).

I like that idea I will try soon