I’m a fan of Yang getting any combination of 2 of the following 4 items:
St. lk back to 3f
Remove 2 extra frame of landing on his dk
Damage
AE j. mk
If they did this, anything else would just be a bonus for me
I’ve been playing regularly with Yang for the past month now, and reading this thread makes me wonder how many of you play Yang at all. He’s not a dive kick whore, so I don’t see why I see so much “make him how he used to be” moaning. Isn’t it enough he has rekkas and good pokes? Shit, I started playing Yang BECAUSE of all the nerfs they gave him, and I wanted to see for myself how bad it made him. Plus I like his super. Honestly I think he’s a good character if YOU’RE the right player.
Yang is like 90% mind games, and I’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of wait-and-bait tactics thanks to having a strong neutral jump game and pokes. When I first started learning him, I was surprised to see how many players thought they could win just by walking backwards and using fierce punch/kick to stuff the dives. It kind of grossed me out that it seemed that all they were expecting from me is to be some jumpy Chinese kid. Don’t get me wrong, I think Yang could use some buffs, even just for interests sake. But I really wonder “How’s y’alls Yang?”
Lol, yang is a good character? Which is why even kyoku said he’s bottom tier. I would hate to see what you would think of yun if you feel yang is “good”. Which he isn’t. People like you are delusional. There is no right player for yang in his current form. There is simply no reason to use this character over yun.
My guess is you stopped reading at the first paragraph. And now you expect me to just take some good Japanese player’s word as gospel? For one, I like Kyoku, but I don’t think he’s the best Yang player. He’s just committed, which is good, but I’ve watched some replays that left me questioning his decisions.
And two: Don’t get on my case for saying Yang’s viable. You’re just one of those trolls who doesn’t accept there should be distinctions between the twins and HOW to use them. And you call me delusional? After saying there’s no reason to use Yang over Yun? Tiers don’t mean anything. I’ve beat good Akumas and Cammys with Yang recently. It’s not like all the characters have special anti-Yang abilities that make him suck. He’s just got a higher mastery curve than say Zangief. That’s part of what determines the tiers too pal. Stay free.
PS: Yun is semi-broken in the free damage department.
I like yang i just wish he had a little more damage for his mix ups. Im not very good with him so i cant say too much.
Yang simply isn’t viable at the moment. When is the last time you’ve seen him even reach top 16 in a major? The only insanely good players that played Yang at a high level were Nemo, Kyoku and a few other players from Japan. We already saw Justin use him in AE, fail at it and switch back to Rufus. In a version where you have so many better characters (considering that most were generally nerfed from the transition of AE to AE 2012), Yang definitely requires some major changes (returning his slk, damage, and or crossup) to be viable again. At the moment, he’s high risk low reward. Just try playing Yang against a decent Gief. You’ll see how hell that matchup is with Yang’s pitiful damage.
Yang is still a good character, but there are many things that begin to bug you if you’ve been playing him long enough. Especially if you play online. However this is not the point of this thread, if you would like to bicker with Yang players go somewhere and do so, we’re here to discuss changes for him in 2013.
It’s called a “match of attrition”. And don’t talk like I haven’t already played some decent Giefs with Yang. Do you suggest Yun has it easier somehow? A decent Gief can work either character the same. But you saying “Yang simply isn’t viable” and leaving it at that, and saying he’s high risk, low reward, is total shit. He’s much lower risk than Yun SIMPLY due to his safer wake-up/reversal options.
“many things”? Yo I think the big idea is that on average, people know Yang’s tricks better now, and AE dive kick and cross-up won’t save the day. I don’t believe I was really off topic in anything, except I didn’t feel motivated to join the circle of wishful thinking. And really, there’s nowhere else on the internet to talk about Yang, so don’t even joke about going elsewhere to “bicker”. and sorry if you haven’t seen anything I’ve said as a contribution.
My main point is if you want to argue, you can make a thread about it. The majority of us here are trying to think of things to change to send to Capcom to make Yang better without making him broken
its ok if you think yang is bad or not viable or whatever, but can we please stop using the tourney results and opinions or character choices of top players as reasoning.
I don’t want to argue. I never did. First time I post in the forum for awhile and some random guy just says “derp you’re wrong” without any real justification. How can I help but defend myself and the case that Yang isn’t terrible to use? And I’ve been watching some old J Wong matches, and I don’t know if my eyes are playing tricks on me, but it seems like his current dive kick is the same as it’s ever been. Not so safe, not so OP.
This is why I feel like I’m not off-topic posting here about my concerns. Trying to keep all the players in perspective. If anybody has free time, watch this match and tell me it wouldn’t have served J.Wong better to have just neutral jump normal attacked a bait, or missed throw instead of dive kicking, as what seems to be a habit with “top players” http://youtu.be/FAkPm_JPRps It’s one of those situations where it’s like the more you know, the less you know. And simplicity counts.
I think you just came across as a little arrogant, and I never really like Justin’s Yang tbh. Which is why the changes I personally would chose is st lk to ae status, damage, and more active frames on lk dp.
Justin’s Yang reminds me of Kyoku’s honestly but Kyoku is probably even less divey. Both of them burn meter on FADC rekka like it’s a sickness they’re trying to get rid of, and maybe 30% of the time or more, it wasn’t even part of a combo. This results into a potential mix-up to seem like a worthless gimmick. I understand they might do it to stay safe, but depending on the other player’s meter, I might just take the punish after a blocked 2nd hit of rekka and keep onto my meter. Not like unsafe rekka is anywhere comparable to a missed DP.
I will say that I’d like to see Capcom buff Yang’s super somehow. either give him more time back, up the damage, or make it so some of the moves don’t knock back so far, increasing the potential for new and fun combos etc. Especially for midscreen application.
Haha!!! You’re an moron if you don’t see how yun does better vs gief than yang. Jesus christ! The moment you said yun is semi-broken in damage told me everything about you. Stay ignorant.
I’m not so sure on a buff to his super, if you do 2 resests with over head, you can do 50%, and still get an untechable knockdown. Less push back would be interesting though >:)
Quoted b4 u hav chance 2 edit. u just sed “an moron”. YOU SIR ARE INVALID! Wait you’re probably a pre-teen, so Imma stop here. and you blasphemed. double shame.
Every time I beat a Zangief with Yun/Yang it’s basically the same way. Only real difference is that Zangief actually cares if i have Super with Yun. That and Yun’s LK DP can AA sometimes.
Buffs to Yang’s Super are not really a problem now that the chip damage is awful. Two resets with a Super is not something you do often (and for good reason, you’ll get bopped) and most characters do 50% or more after two successful resets anyway (resetting into Ultra after a full Super would be more of an issue and that’s still two full bars…)
“u just sed” is better english then than using “an” incorrectly now? Also I don’t think you exactly understand what invalid means.
Back on topic. I’ve been starting to think that Yang doesn’t need help against Zangief. To me it seems like a 6-4’ish now. Maybe the Giefs I’ve played recently have been bad but still I think Yang can hang once you learn to utilize his every poke correctly. If we change one of his pokes to be more dominant then the match-up could flip around to being bad for Gief.
don’t pay that guy any mind. he’s pretty much a joke.
anyway, i don’t know how you get around a solid geif who knows how to bully yang with st mp and jump at correct distances where his jump ins will either beat st mk/hk or flat out trade with it in his favor. i just personally switch to ken for this fight or play yun since he doesn’t get bullied by st mp as bad, and he can hang with geif mid range unlike yang. and the jump in from certain distance issue isn’t as problematic once he gets meter for ex upkick. i guess you can try to air to air, but that’s a heavy risk. so please share how you do it with yang. because i asked people like aquasilk and the like and they all just say use another character or to a lesser extent, yun.