The problem with that is that his match-ups with fireball characters would become possibly unbalanced.
so what would you suggest? because atm, his dive is pretty lackluster. but i can see where you’re coming from. so what about making his dive comparable to ae 2012 yun?
Comparable in what way? Frame data, hit-boxes or height?
I’m still one of the guys who doesn’t see what’s wrong with it now so I really can’t say. Maybe they could make it’s hit-boxes better so that cross-ups would be easier to set up but other than that I think it should be left alone. It’s already better than it ever was in 3rd strike.
I think what he needs is his old cr. lk and better priority to his normals. His losing match-ups are now mostly due to him losing in footsies and losing in damage.
in my opinion the problem with the dive in 2012 is 2 frames more on landing
Lower the height restriction maybe ?
Well, if there is an update, I’d like Capcom to revert his dive nerf (back to AE’s one).
His j.mk is ok if his dive’s back, otherwise revert it.
Decrease st lk from 5 to 4 frames.
Increase cr MP from 60 to 70 during super.
Capcom needs to choose between j.mk or dive, but not both like they did.
You can dive kick ryu in the chest/bicep and get a full cr. Lk confirm
I never understood the complain but I picked yang up in 2012 and still feel like he’s B tier at worst
Well, Yang is not so bad in AE 2012 indeed, but he is NOT profitable for competition, the only fact I didn’t see a single Yang in a tournament since 2012 release in the whole world except Kyoku at 25th anniversary.
If you look at the Yun side, he’s still alive in tournament because he is still viable (and good imo), his dive is good, his damage output too, and his super is still effective (no need to be in the corner to use it, and no need FADC to take good damage).
So yeah, Yang is not the badest char in the game, but he needs some buffs to see him again on a stream, I mean, even T hawk or Hakan are more played than Yang in tournament.
Yang needs some buffs to his damage output OR some mixup-buffs (dive or j/mk).
PS: sorry for my english
I still disagree that he isn’t strong or tourney viable
In my humble opinion, Yangs just aren’t creative enough
Even Kyoku, while an extremely strong player and certainly the strongest yang at the moment, isn’t using my favorite twin to his full potential
I also think you’re doing yourself and them a disservice if you compare the twins too closely
i tend to agree. cant remember the last time ive seen a yang use something in a way i havent seen.
i think thats most characters tho. people arent creative in general. its just yangs cookie cutter plan of dive kick, cr.mk rekka, reset isnt that great. using those tools alone doesnt go that far.
where with yun you could x copy kazunoko and be relatively competitive
what more is there to yang outside his reset potential and rekka pressure? i love yang as much as the next guy, but there comes a time when we all need to be realistic and just accept that yang is just not that good at all. as amazing as kyoku is, his winrate is pretty embarrassing ( 63% iirc ). he’s trying so hard with a character that simply cannot cut it in tournaments. yang just have too much against him. low damage, the worst divekick in the game, and most importantly, his match ups against the popular tourny characters are balls. he lose to cammy, seth, fei, geif. he only does ok vs akuma which i think is 5-5, not 6-4 like with yun.
my point is that i feel yang is not tourny worthy. if you want to play a twin, just play yun imo.
well for example ive been tinkering with cross up non cross up jum mk set ups on ken and ryu. i havent worked out the kinks but theres one after front throw where you manually delay your jump with a brief crouch after fowrard dash.
then theres another after fadc slashes double launcher mk dp. something about the timing on the second launcher and the dp. if i can figure out the timing i can chose my side i hit on.
then theres a bunch of unblockqbles and other set ups that i cant take credit for or reveal.
but anyway point being for a character with so many tools, very few get used then everyone kinda just sticks to the stuff that used to work when yang was a lot stronger.
It’s time to let our voices heard, Ono just annonced an update for SFIV
Here is the character’s balance suggestions for the next update created by Capcom:
Update announced! This is great news for Yang (hopefully).
What did he say?
So what changes are you people expecting for Yang. Personally I think they’ll give him his cross-up back at least and then his 3-frame st. lk.
If yang get his 3 frame short and cross up back, I’m dropping yun asap.
From google translate “Please give returns in turning to Yang K (;_;)”
Yeah at least 4 frame st lk, his dive back to AE (blockstun/hitstun) with 2012 hurtbox, cr mp from 60 to 70 and maybe some damage output improvement.
PS:Acqua wants his j.mk back
Acquas tweets hes asking for crossup up back to AE version.