Adon Strategy and Match-up Thread

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adon general strategies

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s.forward can be used as anti-air in some situations. You gotta space it correctly. Sloppy jump ins that aren’t deep can get worked by it. It also becomes a knee move if the opponent is close, which still has anti-air-style hitbox. I recommend playing around with this. It’s also a nice poke in general. Sexy looking for 2-in-1 into Rising Jag.

s.roundhouse is a money normal. Two hitter that can break armor. Reaches for days. Great tool for match ups where you gotta poke the opponent from mid-range. Also has anti-air capabilities, but not as good as s.forward. It becomes a slightly better anti-air when the opponent is close, since it turns into his Alpha up-kick move.

neutral jump forward can go into air JK. I can’t find another normal that can go into air jk. Although honestly I didn’t look too hard either. I also had a difficult time creating situations where it was worthwhile in match. Fun to screw around with on someone’s wake up, but with wake up SRK…kinda dangerous.

neutral jump roundhouse: I like this thing for some reason. It has a nice range and can be useful in situations where you’re faking air JK.

c.strong: not as strong as before, but can still stuff a lot of footsies/pokes. Won’t stuff jab/short up close (was eaten alive a few times trying to “shoulder shove” the opponent off of me).

c.fierce: nice reach, comes out ok. The problem is, whenever I am in situations to use it I wind up using something else instead (s.forward/s.roundhouse). I’m sure there is something great here though.

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-I use his jump MK alot to set up cross up opportunities. That Jump in can be so ambiguous if done correctly.

Anti-airing with ultra - DO NOT tryy to anti-air against characters with low jump trajectory, it will get blocked.
UNLESS, you are buffering the ultra. or if you think your fast enough to react then by all means do it, but imo the risk/reward isnt worth it since he already has low health.

Chip Damage

:lk::mk::hk: Jaguar Kick : 32

EX Jaguar Kick : 20 + 17 = 37

Air Jaguar Kick : 20

EX Air Jaguar Kick : 17 + 17 = 34

:lk::mk::hk:EX Jaguar Tooth : 30

:lk: Rising Jaguar : 20 + 12 = 32

:mk: Rising Jaguar : 22 + 12 = 34

:hk: Rising Jaguar : 12 + 25 = 37 NOTE the last hit will only hit on tall characters

EX Rising Jaguar : 20 NOTE the last 2 hits will whiff on all characters

Super (Punch Version) : 12 + 12 + 12 + 12 + 0 + 6x13 (mash punch) = 126
NOTE all other versions of the super will do 12 + 12 + 12 + 12 + 0 = 48. The followups will whiff

Jaguar Revolver (Ultra Combo 1) : 15 + 15 + 15 = 45

Jaguar Avalanche (Ultra Combo 2) : 15 NOTE all other hits whiff on all characters

That dash is great, it’s for more than the sagat matchup. I first started realizing how awesome it was against akuma. Everytime he jump-fireballs you can dash under that shit really easily and nail him with a s.HK or even ultra sometimes just because it’s so damn fast and low enough to not force a blocked fireball. you just have to be ballzey and double or triple dash as fast as you can instead of blocking. It’s got uses in damn near any matchup and can sometimes get you out of some wakeup-jumpin mixup pretty easily. Any time you’re both standing and your opponent is spaced to jumpin cross up, at an angle you can’t punish, forward dash FTW

Okay, do you guys consider the events leading after a untechable knockdown from adon worthy of the term vortex? Recently, after a knockdown, it’s basically been lights out for who ever I was playing against. I’ll explain what I’ve been doing, and I would love to hear everyone’s feedback on whether or not you deem the term applicable for given situation.

So, I usually start this off with either a sweep or backthrow. After that I abuse the following things…

tk jk - I use the mk and hk version to cross them up and the lk version to stay right in front of them.
Meaty neutral j. hk
Back dash ex ground jk
Ambiguous cross up

Of course there is so much more you can do, but I feel like this is where the money is. Sometimes I will even go for a meaty tk jk just for the hell of it, but I do not condone doing this. haha.

Also, for three bars, this is an okay mixup.

bnb xx rj fadc cl. st. hk followed with ex grounded jk. Usually nets me a knockdown. I wouldn’t advise this if it weren’t for how fast adon builds meter. Plus, you can scare them by mixing in hk jk to bait the srk if they want to reversal. Sometimes I just do a normal tk hk jk, but that’s just for fun in random ranked matches online.

Another mixup

I brought this up in the combo thread, but never really elaborated.

bnb xx rj fadc - tk lk jk it only does a little less than the cl. st. hk and leaves the opponent directly infront of you. I usually follow wit cr. lk, block or a neutral j. hk. Sometimes just another tk lk jk right in their face to punis the throw.

Tick throwing after blocked tk jk really depends on the spacing. If I’m far enough after the blocked tk where I have to walk into throw range I’ll just walk back low forward, walk forward c.lk or walk forward st.lk. If I’m close enough to throw immediatley I’ll do it once or twice then mix it up with nj whatever.

I hate the term vortex but if I had to use it I would agree that Adon’s mix up on untechable knockdown is enough to be deemed a vortex.

I love back throw forward dash mix up. The forward dash helps me easily space all of the mix up you were talking about plus much more (thus why I agree it is a… vortex)

Some more examples:
back throw forward dash meaty feirce.
Back throw forward dash instant n.jrh overhead.
Back throw forward dash clk.if they back dash you can short rj, low mk or s.short all on reaction (you have to commit to a true meaty short to punish chun’s back dash).
Back throw forward dash, walk back about a step and a half sweep.
Back throw forward dash n.jump and if they have an upper cut bait it with an air mk.jk or wait and nj.mk over a throw attempt then xx the nj.mk into air jk then combo.

So many possibilities as greglife said. Me and him both have only touched on about 3/4’s of the options you have on untechable knockdown. It’s just hard to fully utilize them because I get sooo excited when I get a knock down that I forget to use some of the options. It’s like xmas every knock down.

I wish I had tested this out sooner. What I said above is true ONLY for :lk: (and to an extent :mk:) versions of iAJK. I tested out :hk: iAJK today, and found it to be at least +0 on a blocking, standing opponent. Yes, it’s completely safe against reversal Final Atomic Buster and other 1-frame moves. At any range. JOY. :bgrin:

Update #2: Although this might be old news, :hk: iAJK is +9 (maybe +10?) on hit, and does in fact combo into U2 (it really helps if you double-tap all kicks). On counter-hit and on a standing opponent however, it combos into U1.

Update #3: A well-spaced :mk: iAJK (you have to hit with the tip of his toe) apparently is +11 on hit.
:mk: iAJK, c.:hp: is entirely possible, although as usual, it’s a 1-frame link.

:hk: JK is an amazing AA if you do it early enough. I like to call it ‘Jaguar Wall’ due to it’s monstrous hit box and the fact that it can beat nearly every non-invincible move on the planet. The only problem I have with it is that it’s very punishable on whiff (just like every other JK and JT). If the opponent knows this, for example a good Rufus player, all they have to do is wait for your :hk: JK to whiff halfway across the screen and punish it with c.:hp:.

:hk: JK is excellent on certain characters’ wake-up though. If you time it a little late, and Juri doesn’t have U2, :hk: JK will beat out her counter move and EX pinwheel. Is she holding up? :hk: JK. Is she mashing grab? :hk: JK. Does she like to back-dash? … You know what to do. At worst, you’ll trade with EX pinwheel (in your favor). You have to space it right though… she can go under your JK by dashing forward, so make sure that if she does that she’s still in front of you.

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adon matchups
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abel

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First and foremost your general plan for this match up is to keep Abel the hell away from you and bait him towards you for you can attempt to knock him down and make him your bitch. If he blocks the cross up do the basic j.mk, s.lp, c.lk link but rather than doing a knee do a weak jaguar tooth to get you out of harms way and it will allow you start some mix up mind games with the tooths and hopefully throw Abel off his game. This works even greater if the Abel has Breathless because if the player ends up getting frustrated and attempts to grab you with Breathless you can just armor break it with a rh. jaguar tooth and really start throwing Abel around.

Souless isn’t as easy though so be careful if Abel is using that Ultra also keep a look out for Sky Fall since it can really wreck Adon. Try not to use Roundhouse to much in this match up because after a while any decent Abel will learn to tornado throw you during the animation ( I believe only the weak and ex throws have the range to do that I’d have to look at my replays some more and get back to you.) neutral fierce seems to work as a better poke in this match up. All in all your general plan with Abel is to keep him away from you and play some mind-games with him until he does something he shouldn’t have done and you can just run in and let him have it. Just take your time and you’ll do fine here Abel is sort of a Cody case and doesn’t have many options on wake up so the second you knock him down if you play your cards right you can end him pretty quick.

Abel, punish wheelkicks with LK jk if you judge the distance is right, ex is safe of course.
His rekkas should be punished like this: First hit is throwable on block (ex included, but tighter). The timing is tight, you might want to plink your throw. So after you block the first hit, attempt a throw, if he does the second hit you will block it, now you can freely punish with a RJ, doesn’t matter if he does the third hit. It’s pretty hard to do it in matches and I still miss but that’s the idea.

adon

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akuma

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I actually feel this is an even or good match up for Adon. You have answer for fireballs (Ultra1, jk, ex jk air jk, tooth or super ) and You can beat alot of his normals. For me this matchup comes down to AAing jump ins, forward dashing jump in fireball then punishing the landing frames, forward dashing cross up tatsu, beating out akumas RH w/ adon’s RH or s. MK and whiff punishing Akumas low forward with low strong. for some reason, Adon has very fast wake up frames so alot of safe jump set ups aren’t safe when you have ex because you can actually ex rj them before they hit the ground. MK rj might work as well. Once you limit alot of Akuma’s options they will be forced to play footsies on the ground with you, and that’s where adon’s strength lies. Another important thing to note about this match is that you shouldn’t do ground jk or tooth when he has demon. Also, any character with an upper cut can be baited by jumping in then using air jk to go over them and make the upper cut whiff. It’s actually pretty awesome because then they stop AAing you and you get free jump in pressure. Use sparingly though.

balrog (boxer)

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-I was consistently getting destroyed by vanilla IV set ups. None of Adon’s normals seem fast enough to deal with jab/short.
-S.roundhouse is too slow to armor break ex-rush punches. It seemed like I had to be pshycic to get that to work.
-S.forward may be your better anti-rush punch normal. Of course, if it is EX you’re gonna eat it.

If you are having trouble with Rog I’ve gotten a lot of practice with him. Here are some pointer when facing him.

s.Mk counters his non ex.Punches, Jabs,MP,and LK the spacing/timing is tight but if your in the right spot he wont get in.
s.MK is the perfect AA for Rog and same goes for s.Hk for close jump ins
Roges Ex.Punches can be countered with a M.Jk the spacing is the same as Fei’s chickenwing. I’ve tested this and so far is doing pretty well.
JT is great for baiting a headbut and once it happends you can punish pretty easily.
If you dont want to stuff a rush punch and you know rog isn’t going for a upper you can N.Jump, Mk-s.Lp(2)-RJ
When fighting Rog I would say try to keep your self at max HK range during the whole match until you’ve got him scared.

When facing rog I like to play counter Adon and once you’ve got him scared to do headbut after a few baits you can begin crossing him up with the BnB
J.Mk-S.Lp-C.Lk or C.MK-RJ or if you’ve got metter J.Mk-S.lp-C.lk-RJ-FADC-U2 or sub in a EX.RJ

Against boxer, a low iAJK can shutdown jab spam, doesn’t always work but it’s very in your favor in the end. A stand MK also works. Rush punches can be focused or beaten with well spaced/timed roundhouses and fierces. If he does the armor breaking one you can punish it with lk jagkick unless he’s very far, if he cancels his rush punch into super I’m pretty sure backdash will make you airborne and not take all the hits. Safejump him, don’t go for crossups (well you can but don’t let that be your default behavior) because he can escape crossups with headbutts and shit but can’t do much against safejumps.
An important thing against boxer is to remember not to rely on zoning with jagkicks like you would against other characters. His walkspeed is too fast to space them well and you will whiff often so be sure he’s crouch blocking when you do them. Or in the corner (wary of headbutts).

blanka

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against blanka, you can block horizontal balls crouching or standing and then punish with a reversal :lk: Jk. Or you can wait a tiny bit for him to drop, and do u1 and hold forward to steer him.
Punish ex up balls on block or even hit with u1 and keep the stick in neutral to steer him.

Blanka has a very high jump, and it makes it easy to dash under. Remember that simple jabs are your highest priority attack. By a lot. Poke poke poke until he doesn’t want to attack anymore, then start looking for an opening. It’s not an easy matchup at all, but you can keep Blanka honest.

My 2 cents say that the blanka matchup is 5-5. Neither character has a safe approach. Both characters can be punished on blocked specials with ultra 1. It really comes down to who can be more patient. Noone is getting damage in this matchup unless they punish or take a risk.

In regards to punishing blanka balls with u1, you have to wait a second or so before punishing. If you do it right away and you get a reversal, you’ll likely only get the first 3 hits. You have to hit blanka after he lands, but before he recovers, which is like a 2-3 frame window.

I’m not sure if it’s been posted before, but i feel it’s important to note that t hawk’s condor dive can be punished with u1 as well. It’s like honda’s fierce headbutt, in that you can do it asap, and it’ll hit fully every time.

c.viper

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don’t know if this has been discussed, but safe jump OS’ing close st.RH works wonders on Viper. The RH has more active frames than a wakeup Seismo has invincibility frames, so it gets totally stuffed when timed properly

Also against viper, lk jaguar kick completely stuffs her seismo game and feints. She has bad normals so abuse that too. Don’t be eager to press buttons on wakeup because burning kicks suck, but they are not always ambigious so just be patient. She can really kill you if she gets going, but you can rape her shit in a few JK’s too. Safejump her, I notice most players start to backdash once you do so punish that.

cammy

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Cammy: if you ever block her DP, either standing hard kick, or walk a little forward, standing hardkick, always hit. either both hits or the last hit. Great free damage. It always hits for me. Jumping agaisnt her is scary even for cross up So don’t do it so much. BE cautious in this fight. Her block strings are annoying and i feel if you ever let up on blocking to retaliate she’ll DP you. But if you can guess her DP and do block it. HK it, and get her thinking twice about doing it, and maybe you can move in for some grabs or bait or overheard combo with his jaguar crunch, crouching lk, rising jaguar/or super, (if you’re great with 1 frame links), or if shes blocking high, crouching lk, RJ lk, FADC into U2. If they EVER spam spiral arrow from a far, HK jaguar tooth free damage(seeing as you don’t at all or so much), if its the long one. (but ofcourse that’ll barely or never happen with good players but just for spammers you’re dealing with online)

Cammy: divekicks are a bitch, other than to focus the hit and backdash I haven’t found what to do. A jab might work bit it’s not guaranteed. Being in the corner is nasty.

chun-li

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Chunli: Just a bit of info for her, shes extremely diffcult. But on wake up, agaisnt her ex spinning bird kick you’re Jaguar kick HK trades great damage and you’re sent flying away from her with a tickle, while she pays a huge cost from a slam from you. ex jaguar tooth if she shoots a projectile at you if you have it.

Recommended Ultra: Jaguar Avalanche

This match is all footsies. st.lp, st.mp and st.lk are your money pokes. Spaced properly, they will stuff the majority of Chun’s footsies game, and if you get it wrong you’ll usually get a trade anyway. Beware her sweep, it’s unfuckwithable. Even trading with it leaves you in a bad way. If you feel one coming, get a focus ready.

Save your EX for RJ FADC U2 and for EX JK to punish sloppy fireballs. EX is preferable since wake-up pressure is a big factor in this match and the person who can maintain it will most often win. This tilts things a bit towards our favour since Adon has an easier time of escaping than Chun.

cr.lk, cr.lk, lk RJ will sometimes whiff on a crouching Chun. Substitute EX RJ where the spacing looks a bit long. Check it out in training mode to get an idea of the right distance for LK RJ.

You can use Jaguar Revolver if you think your reflexes are amazing, but you really want the thread of RJ FADC U2 to keep her honest when the game gets to close range. Her fireballs are punishable with MK/EX Jaguar Kicks. You’ll usually get a couple of these reasonably free off of the first few fireballs because of the Chun-Li habit of following their fireballs when they approach.

Avoid Jaguar Tooth unless you’re 100% sure of a hit since a blocked one will leave you eating a string of jabs and a possible Hazanshou mixup.

Don’t get caught down-backing too often. You’ll see Hazanshous and instant-overhead j.HKs come your way. If you feel like you can block those on reaction, by all means go ahead and bait them by crouching alot. Punish hazanshou with cr.mk xx MK RJ (FADC Ultra if you can) when you block it.

Most importantly: keep a cool head. Being knocked down and eating some pressure isn’t the end of the world. If you panic and go for OS techs or reversals, you’re going to eat an Ultra. Chun only needs to land EX legs to connect her Ultra 2, and that can be acheived by landing a cr.lk. Every hit counts for both players in this match.

You have to time j.:mk: so you cross up Chun Li while she’s standing, not crouching. If you aim lower to the ground, you’ll most likely whiff thanks to Chun’s skinny hitbox.

If it really bothers you, j.:lk: has a much larger hitbox behind Adon and it works more often than not. Or just use :hk:JK, which beats out EX SBK if you time it late.

do not throw out the st. roundhouse when playing footsies. just forget it even exists! iajk is a good poke to throw out, best used at max range but dont whiff it. lk jk works well in this match. use it at a range where her pokes wont hit you and also use it sparingly. getting her cornered is your goal through out the whole fight. when theyre knocked down mix it up with late HK JK, neutral jump HK, and keep them cornered with the JK pressure.

EDIT: this is a match up where both ultras can be used. smart players know not to throw fireballs at all when you have revolver, though. i perfer avalanche since its way easier to land.

cody

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-Standing Fierce owns Cody’s jump ins for FREE!!!

–Jumping in from full screen or RH Jaguar Tooth got me to eat a punch. Cody has a great anti-air with Zonk Punch. Cody can stuff Adon’s Jaguar Tooth with that punch. It stopped me cold. Use EX Jaguar Tooth if you know that punch is coming out.
–Ultra 1 does go through rock throws (think a rock throw as a standard fireball because it is, minus the falling trajectory). Ultra 1 stops his rock game. It was odd but those damn rocks kept me out pretty good.
–A decent player will more then likely try to bait your Ultra 1 with the fake rock throw but I say don’t buy into it. Just walk up and continue to apply pressure, you getting in will cause more damage then you getting hit by a rock. I got caught a few times to where my Ultra 1 was baited out by fake rock throw and ate a good combo or a counter ultra, I have learned from my mistakes LOL. I believe that this is also good for head games because they will either now throw a rock and eat Ultra or fake throw and you stay on their ass. What I did notice was that if you are quick enough and close enough you can fly over the person with Ultra 1 by holding forward and escape impending doom. You can and probably will still get hit as time goes on but at least you don’t land right in front of the person to eat big damage. By flying over the person you actually run away. You can still eat an a projectile Ultra though. So be weary about that. I caught people off guard flying over them which led me to get away damage free minus a random rock throw or fireball that followed afterwards. But again a single fireball is a lot better then eating a big combo. This won’t work all the time though for as a decent opponent will catch on and just chase your ass down if their character if fast enough.
–I’m not sure if this is for all strengths of Cody’s criminal uppers but I got Ultra 1 to go through 2 of them yesterday. I don’t know what strengths my opponent used but I got through successfully twice.
-DJ-

I was doing meaty st. hp on cody’s wake up and that seems to kind of shut him down. I’m not sure, but it is definitely something to look into. It seemed to take him out of all reversal attempts. Sadly, I wasn’t expecting this to work, so I didn’t get the follow up the first few times. lol.

Baited out a few ultras with lk. jag tooth.

6 mp seems to beat out anything you could ever want to do in the air. T_T

St. mk is beautiful to just throw out in this match and I was using cr. lk, cr. lp, cr.mp, st. hk for a block string and snagging the counter hit st. hk a lot. I think this should be an overall strategy against most of the cast. Sometimes interchanging the st. hk with st. mk will snipe them out if they’re jumping away.

I think that jumping is a bad idea in this match and should only be used as meaty after a solid knock down. After a knockdown doing neautral jumping hk. is a really good pressure tool, but don’t over do this. I like meaty j. lk for cross ups in this match, seems to get more results.

dan

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dee jay

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dhalsim

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Basically, when it comes to Vega and Sim, play the counter-aggressor. It’s the same tactic I use when I play Ken. I’m typically (9 out of 10 times) a pure rush down that mixes pokes, focus, bait, and punishment, which I dubbed “Poke and Punish”, or P&P. When it comes to advanced or skilled opponents, I can’t really do that. They are more level-headed so they don’t get flustered at the barrage, and they read a little better so they can stop any punishment opportunities. So, when I’m in a situation like this, I’ll mostly rely on this tactic in the latter portion of round 2 and 3. I fill the rest of the match with being the counter-aggressor. Conversely when it comes to facing Vega and Sim when using Adon.

Dhalsim
You can utilize the same tactics on Sim, but not as freely. This one you really have to rely on being defensive, whilst being the counter-aggressor. In this match-up, I’ll rely on counter-aggression in the latter portion of a round, especially if I’m far ahead in health. I fill the rest of the match by being very defensive. Get far. Constantly neutral jump. Do a lot of repeat LKJT from far away. Sneak in a HK/EXJT which will hit if you’re smart when using it. All this will inevitably make Sim become the aggressor, just what we want. Then, cleverly, become the counter-aggressor to whatever he attempts. Most of the time he’ll try to fluster you with empty-gain teleports, then sneak with a teleport that gets him close to do what he’s planning, but you already know what he’s going to do (or hopefully you do haha) and counter it. Most of the time it’s a poke, stretch poke, yoga fire, or slide. Be smart with your focus attacks during this phase, they aren’t expecting sudden aggressiveness so they won’t properly stop it most of the time. Also, grab as much as you can. Even if it lands in techs, it will fluster the Sim. Constantly mimicking Sim will either cancel out (which will give you the chance to be counter-aggressive afterward if you’re creative), a trade in your favor, or punishment in your favor. So basically, be counter-aggressive and mimic are the general themes here. Lastly, during this phase of Sim being the aggressor, don’t be scared to poke. Use Adon’s good pokes (MP, MK, HK, HP, crMK, crHK [mainly good in this situation only]) then get the hell out of there. You can LKJT, back jump, or if you’re ballsy (which is good once in a while), nJumpMK -> throw, or just throw. Basically, make sure the poke combo is short and you quickly find a way out of being punished, because you will if it gets too long or you turtle poking distance from Sim. This isn’t foolproof, but it’s more or less a good template for fighting Sim with Adon, and should be a basis for your tactics. I think the best way to see its effectiveness is seeing a replay of mines against Sim.

-Key Tips:
–Be cautious. Very, very cautious.
—Always stay at least screen distance and away from any attacks. The only trouble you’ll get is mostly a well placed yoga fire. Other than that, Sim will get impatient and close-in. That should be the only time you can be close. But get far away again shortly after.
----STAY FAR AWAY ! ! !
-----The key to mimicking Sim, grab a lot. Chances are you’ll grab when he does, because Sim relies on it. If you get good at this, you’ll be landing more grabs then him. A well placed crossup almost guarantees this. Also, mix up nThrow with bThrow. Really throws them off, and gets you back at being a far distance.
------FEAR THE KNEE ! ! !
-------If you use this tactic effectively, you’ll most likely never get hit by Sim’s Ultra II, which really isn’t his best, so punish Sim for using it. 8D
---------BE CAUTIOUS ! ! !

dudley

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-If I kept Dudley at mid-screen or further back, I was winning. Adon has the better pokes at that range. Just gotta look out for his few long range tricks (machine gun blow).

Block Punish
c.MK: c.MP (Close range only).
c.HK: LP Super.
Non-LP Machine Gun: LK RJ.
Ducking straight/Upper:LK RJ. He can FADC to avoid RJ.
Thunderbolt: It’s -20 something, so do what you want.

Dudley: like others before this post. Standing hk and ranged pokes are awesome in this fight. Your cross up mk can annoy him very badly since it’ll be stopping him from uppercutting. heck you can grab him out of uppercuts if you guess it. Unless he ex the upper cut. Hk jaguar kick on his wake up, it’ll trade good damage agaisnt his uppercut, or if he goes for a short swing blow, you’ll hit since you both go in one direction and come back together (unless he waits.) Jaguar tooth on block for them, I been able to grab them successfully after. I feel they can’t do uppercut as an option after they block jaguar tooth, seeing as you could grab them out of it so a choice will probably be tech your grab or ex uppercut(block if you see meter punish after) or ex backswing blow(block and punish, or maybe grab beats this I don’t remember.)

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e.honda

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block punish
hp headbutt: Ultra 1
buttslam (if it hits on the way up): Mk/hk/ex rj, ultra 2 *mk seems to fully connect the most reliably. Also, hitting honda out of ex buttslam if blocked on the way up seems really spacing dependent, otherwise you just eat it regardless of which rj you use. Ultra 2 was very reliable.

honda: His head butt can beat your tooth as soon as he sees you flying backwards. If you do some regular block strings with those crouching light punches or light kicks and your prety close and hes duck blocking, mk jaguar tooth crosses up. It was amazing to find this. On wake up for him he can do many things. Head butt, that upward butt slam, or ochio. Well if hes on the ground and you expect maybe an ochio you can do hk jaguar kick, for a vertical upward jump and slam back down. After that you should probably get you ass out of there. Standing hard kick, really is good for poking the man, but don’t throw it out so much or you’ll eat a head butt.

add st. Mk in the honda section. It dominates headbutt while sleeping almost anywhere on the screen.

I was playing against my friend’s honda the other day and tried to jump in on him when I realized he had EX. I then did an air jk to try to go over him but did it low enough where I actually beat ex headbutt because the air jk was on top of him. After testing, I found out that you can either make headbutt whiff or beat it with jump air jk if the air jag is done late enough after the jump in. The key is to do the air jag right before your hit box will be in range to get hit by head butt. It’s pretty dope. Also, c.jab is amazing in this match up. Honda = character with no 3 frame normal.

el fuerte

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fei long

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gen

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gouken

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gouken: I laugh that he can’t counter any of adon specials. Well most of them atleast. Hk jaguar kick him, if he’s unaware of this match on wake up. You’ll see a lot of focus break as he goes for counter’s. Jaguar revolver or ex jag kick him if he ever goes for a projectile.

guile

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guy

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guy: Just know that he can beat your tooth in the air with his many grabs, or if hes on the ground that hard kick of his will beat your jaguar tooth if he see’s it coming. But if you happen to knock down guy. You know guy will probably go for his ex hurricane kick he has maybe or grab depending what your bending his mind to do. If he goes for ex hurricane kick, before he wakes up if you guess it and do hk jaguar kick, you’ll go right through it and slam him out of it. If he does it a little late, you’ll trade or he hits you out of it. Trade is in your favor. While hes in corner, cross up mk into combo’s posted at the combo thread ar amazing here. If you see him jumping over you pretty close, cl. Hardpunch is pretty good here. If hes jumping towards you from a far, neutral jump hard punch is great if you do it to late though, he’ll grab you.

hakan

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ibuki

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block punish
c.hk: C.mp, c.hk, s.hk (all of these require you to be at least somewhat close to him), hp super.
Df.mk: Cl.hp xx rj (up close only), c.mp xx rj (close to mid range), c.lk xx rj (rj whiffs after this if it’s about tip range. Also i believe the move is safe against adon at tip).
*lk->mk tc is safe afaik with -4 and good pushback. I might test the others in the future.
Raida (all versions): Lk/mk rj, u2. U2 will whiff if it isn’t point blank. Lk rj seems guaranteed at any range, though it might not get both hits.
Neckbreaker (all versions): Cl.hp/c.mp xx rj (rj might not connect completely but i’ve never seen it completely whiff after punishing this), u2. If you block around tip you’ll need to do u1 rather fast, or else it won’t connect.
Non-ex kazegiri: Whatever you want.
Ex-kazegiri: Followup kunai stuffs all rjs and u1 (lol). Timing them late didn’t seem to help. However, i think you can backdash under all kunais and get guaranteed punishment. Even if she doesn’t follow up with a kunai, you get guaranteed damage after the dash if you’re quick (i couldn’t land u2 when dashing after empty ex kazigiri). I don’t believe spacing factors into it beyond adon ending up behind ibuki if he’s close enough.
Tsumugi: You can interrupt the low followup with lk rj or super. Considering she’s otherwise safe except for hk version without the third mid followup (which is only lk rj punishable i believe), this isn’t at all guaranteed.
Non-ex hien: Same as kazegiri, although the way hien hits makes smacking followup kunais with rj actually possible.

juri

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ken

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-forward jag kick (ground/air) > fireballs: Proper spacing and timing of course, because you’re skimming over the projectile
-roundhouse jag kick (ground/air) > fireballs: Proper spacing and timing of course, because you’re landing closer to where the move launched. Try not to sit on fireballs
-tooth > fireball: Properly timed and spaced, you’ll fly over it and put a foot in their face.
-srk > tooth: This is why you mess around with your baiting.

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[STANG]

CONTINUED…
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makoto

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Block Punish
c.HP: c.MP, c.HK, s.HK (All of these require you to be at least somewhat close to him), HP super.
Non-EX Hayate: LK RJ. Watch out for FADC.

-ex Hayate is -4 on block so cr/s jab to lk rj should punish.
-make sure your wake up pressure jump ins are fairly meaty otherwise she can trade DP for excellent damage.
-axe kicks are focusable.
-s hk gives her fits. Mix s lk in the so you don’t get predictable and eat big damage.
-throw beats all her wake up options aside from backdash, throw, and Ultra.

m.bison (dictator)

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-s.forward > scissor kick. You gotta hit his toes.
-s.roundhouse > scissor kick. This was a fluke, but it did work!
-Adon can definitely hang in this one. Baiting with specials and the usual Adon game aside, I was pulling ahead by stuffing scissor kicks with s.forward and outpoking his follow ups post blocking scissor kick combo (remember, Adon has good pokes also).

rose

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For the spark, a well timed hk ia jk will go right over it and let you combo into a sweep for a solid knockdown. Mk ia jks will stuff her cr. mp pressure. A lot of roses like for you to block a drill, then they go for the ex drill, you can punish the ex drill with a st. hk at close range. I actually need to look more into this match, but this is all I have from a set I had with the ross I go to ranbats with.

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Punish lk drills on block with a reversal lk rj.

rufus

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After blocked EX Messiah

Overhead finisher
-:hk:Rising Jaguar beats it
-dash under and do any combo

Low Finisher
Rising Jaguar beats it

Delayed flip kick finisher
:hk:Rising Jaguar trades but not in your favor

Flip kick fadc back
:hp: Super beats it

s.hp xx hp galactic tornado
-:hk:Rising jaguar before the galactic tornado comes out.

ryu

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-Forward jag kick (ground/air) > fireballs: proper spacing and timing of course, because you’re skimming over the projectile
-Roundhouse Jag Kick (ground/air) > fireballs: proper spacing and timing of course, because you’re landing closer to where the move launched. Try not to sit on fireballs
-Tooth > fireball: properly timed and spaced, you’ll fly over it and put a foot in their face.
-SRK > Tooth: this is why you mess around with your baiting.

Block Punish
c.HK: c.MP, c.HK, s.HK (All of these require you to be at least somewhat close to him), HP super.

sagat

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sakura

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seth

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t.hawk

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-All your specials are unsafe on hit, except EX versions (of course, everything is unsafe on block). For real. Don’t do them. Thuck can reversal 360. He wants the 360. So don’t just hand it to him on a silver plate by flying right into his 360 range.
-S.Roundhouse seemed to be the money tool. Shoved Thuck back after all of his specials. It’s boring, but it works.

would like to echo the s.HK against zangief & t-hawk. only time i used special was for LK jag tooth into the corner or HK jag tooth out of it (got pushed back into the corner against t-hawk) Roundhouse Roundhouse Roundhouse. landing both hits against lariat happy idiot giefs is a bonus. biggest thing to worry about against both characters is an empty jump.

Depending on where they condor dive you, you can punish with the follow.
Hits high - Pretty much anything you can think of. You can dash up and do whatever you want to them.
Hits low - s.hk for one hit (80 damage).

vega (claw)

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well ive been playing alot of vegas and as noted from a earlier post that ive read this is more of a defensive match for adon the best tools to use would be st jab,cr fierce and focus attack on some of his specials now if you happen to catch him doing that annoying back flip (three kicks or three punches) go in for a jaguar tooth and cr punch to set up a nice combo and most likely if you get him in the corner that over head is really nice to help mix up your attacks like knocking him down with cr roundhouse or grabbing him i tend to think if you apply pressure the the match up sways to your offensive side instead of vegas. i just started using adon like 2 days ago but im just putting my past few days experience here in this post with the multiple vega fights ive had. oyeah and standing high kick is nice to while playing on a defensive end.

Basically, when it comes to Vega and Sim, play the counter-aggressor. It’s the same tactic I use when I play Ken. I’m typically (9 out of 10 times) a pure rush down that mixes pokes, focus, bait, and punishment, which I dubbed “Poke and Punish”, or P&P. When it comes to advanced or skilled opponents, I can’t really do that. They are more level-headed so they don’t get flustered at the barrage, and they read a little better so they can stop any punishment opportunities. So, when I’m in a situation like this, I’ll mostly rely on this tactic in the latter portion of round 2 and 3. I fill the rest of the match with being the counter-aggressor. Conversely when it comes to facing Vega and Sim when using Adon.

It’s true that Vega has wall techniques and chances are you’ll be flying over each others head a lot. However, that’s not the way to go when being the counter-aggressor. Now you don’t have to rely on being defensive, which I really don’t think it’s the way to go against Vega at all (though I’m only speaking when using aggressive-capable fighters). If you see a wall technique coming up, I noticed that it is frequently the one where Vega reaches overhead and does the slash-swipe,(sorry for not knowing the names. I’m serious, I only played Ken, and just now Adon, so I really don’t know anything of other fighters) I counter this with a FADC after absorbing the slash-swipe blow. Forward or Backwards is purely up to you, both are safe, but forward (or whichever takes you closer to Vega) tends to have more punishment opportunities because you’re closer, of course. This should be already in your arsenal against Vega, and a good way to integrate this into the counter-aggressor theme is by baiting him to frequently chase you with it (and you’ll be surprised how many Vega’s rely on that move and not the drill-like one, or the suplex grab). Do poke combos (block strings work too) or achieve an untechable knockdown. Before wake-up, LKTooth which will bait them to wall-technique chase you, and 6/10 times it will be the overhead claw strike. Of course, don’t overly rely on this because some of them just jump back to their corner and what not, especially ones who’ve been punished by it a few times. Other than that, only use specials during poke combos (HKJK good at finishing combo/block strings because frame advantage) or clearly open punishment. Keep the heat, but aim for your hits to be blocked because it really baits them to do a slide or the backflip kick which are punishable with just about anything that isn’t intensive. HP -> HKRJ will do for backflip kick, and substitute HP for LK -> HKRJ or LP -> LK -> L/M/HKRJ. This is the essence of counter-aggressive play. Create heat, make them think they have something to punish (especially Vegas), then punish their follow up. Of course, there are countless ways of doing this, which I religiously use, but it’s like a work of art more than science, and it’s easier by just doing in then saying it. What I can offer is mixing this tactic with FADC baits before wake up, empty jump ins and outs before wake up (especially if you’ve been utilizing MKCrossup, which is pretty safe if used appropriately), and various levels of JTooth (consistent empty ones confuse them). Not to echo, but to expand, this is the role of counter-aggression. Aggressive, but aim to be blocked most of the time, and force them to be aggressive and counter their aggressiveness because you already see it coming. As far as punishing with anti-airs, I’m not all to positive. With Ken, good-ol’-faithful Ultra 1 did very nicely against anything, especially Vega’s Ultra I (or any Ultra for that matter), which, by using these tactics, a very easy set-up. Not sure how Adon’s Ultra II will fare, but it’s worth a shot.

-Key Tips:
–After applying pressure and gaining a knockdown (techable or not), dash up (if you have time) before wake up and then immediately do HKJT. More times than not, they’ll try a grab or poke of some sort, which 9/10 you’ll get the hit. If blocked, you get a free grab, or you can simply neutral jump MK into a poke combo if you know any, or a RJ.
—Pay attention to Vega’s pattern and fit in as many MKCrossups you can. They enable good combo opportunities, which might inevitably end with a knockdown (which really sets Vega’s off balanced, especially if you try to screw up their charge by switching sides), and will ultimately keep them on their toes because they’ll get the impression you’re going to be aggressive from there. Of course, you won’t, go back to counter-aggression.
----Chase Vega’s handsprings if you’re close. From there it’s extremely variable. I’m not sure to recommend this because you have to be a fairly good reader to use this properly. Following the handspring is risky because there is so many options for Vega which makes it harder for you to decide exactly what to do. I don’t really have a problem if I found a pattern. So look for a pattern and try to counter it. But remember, escape after it, or sometimes, come right back somehow (most likely a HKJT, which I dub this tactic as Boomerangin’). My usual routes are a crHK (among many other options) if they are grab-heavy, a MKCrossup, or block then punish if it’s a backflip kick. If they use a wall technique, either chase for pressure (but you have to be a good reader and creative for an effective follow up) or return to the standard tactics. Lastly, don’t follow if the Vega is crPoke-heavy. His crPokes are very long and hard to punish, and to escape, once in them. If you can counter them, or if they normally poke once (Focus here if so), then be confident and do so.
-----CAUTION: I’m not sure if it’s all forms, or just one, or some, but a RJ is stuffed by throw if close enough. Everyone probably knows that, but just reemphasizing.

zangief

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-S.Roundhouse. Same situation as Thuck. Block greenhand: s.roundhouse. Sloppy mid-screen jump in: s.roundhouse. Going for mid-screen poke: s.roundhouse. IIRC, lariat was the anti-s.roundhouse. So…c.roundhouse! >;)
-Gotta mess around with it, but I believe Jag Kick > lariat. IIRC, I had to hit it at the edge.
-Jag tooth < lariat. Even EX. It’s tempting to go for if you shoved Gief to the corner (for EX Tooth into Ultra 2), but don’t. Grind it out.

would like to echo the s.HK against zangief & t-hawk. only time i used special was for LK jag tooth into the corner or HK jag tooth out of it (got pushed back into the corner against t-hawk) Roundhouse Roundhouse Roundhouse. landing both hits against lariat happy idiot giefs is a bonus. biggest thing to worry about against both characters is an empty jump.

Zangief: If you ever get him knocked down and feel lucky. HK jaguar kick beats his lariat on wake up. But his lariat will trade or beat your jaguar kick, if he waits a little. But still an awesome trade for you. But after he gets use to your vertical jaguar kicks, I suggest you stop or you’ll start taking SPD’s. When you start Jaguar toothing on him, he’ll try to lariat to beat it. So go for a lk jaguar tooth and he lariats and you land safely far away from him. Hes free for Jaguar Revolver if you got it. I’m pretty sure you will cause zangief hits hard. If you don’t have the ultra. well someone may fill in on this. Depending on when he did the lariat and wether its the long one or the short one. maybe you can ex tooth right when he ends the lariat animation for some damage.

Gief: A properly spaced (means that you land outside of SPD range) HK jaguar kick is effective on wakeup, lariat will get beaten and EX greenhand will go trough you, making him waste meter at worst.

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[Richard_Nguyen]

Against Blanka, you can block horizontal balls crouching or standing and then punish with a reversal :lk: JK. Or you can wait a tiny bit for him to drop, and do U1 and hold forward to steer him.

Punish EX up balls on block or even HIT with U1 and keep the stick in neutral to steer him.

[HuBBsDoctor]

exactly how do you punish an ex ball? On block blanka jumps back to far that not even a jaguar kick will reach him.

[Sosage]

This is all crap I’ve noticed from a few hours of random playing:

General:

s.forward can be used as anti-air in some situations. You gotta space it correctly. Sloppy jump ins that aren’t deep can get worked by it. It also becomes a knee move if the opponent is close, which still has anti-air-style hitbox. I recommend playing around with this. It’s also a nice poke in general. Sexy looking for 2-in-1 into Rising Jag.

s.roundhouse is a money normal. Two hitter that can break armor. Reaches for days. Great tool for match ups where you gotta poke the opponent from mid-range. Also has anti-air capabilities, but not as good as s.forward. It becomes a slightly better anti-air when the opponent is close, since it turns into his Alpha up-kick move.

neutral jump forward can go into air JK. I can’t find another normal that can go into air jk. Although honestly I didn’t look too hard either. I also had a difficult time creating situations where it was worthwhile in match. Fun to screw around with on someone’s wake up, but with wake up SRK…kinda dangerous.

neutral jump roundhouse: I like this thing for some reason. It has a nice range and can be useful in situations where you’re faking air JK.

c.strong: not as strong as before, but can still stuff a lot of footsies/pokes. Won’t stuff jab/short up close (was eaten alive a few times trying to “shoulder shove” the opponent off of me).

c.fierce: nice reach, comes out ok. The problem is, whenever I am in situations to use it I wind up using something else instead (s.forward/s.roundhouse). I’m sure there is something great here though.

Anyways…

T.Hawk:

-All your specials are unsafe on hit, except EX versions (of course, everything is unsafe on block). For real. Don’t do them. Thuck can reversal 360. He wants the 360. So don’t just hand it to him on a silver plate by flying right into his 360 range.

-S.Roundhouse seemed to be the money tool. Shoved Thuck back after all of his specials. It’s boring, but it works.

Zangief:

-S.Roundhouse. Same situation as Thuck. Block greenhand: s.roundhouse. Sloppy mid-screen jump in: s.roundhouse. Going for mid-screen poke: s.roundhouse. IIRC, lariat was the anti-s.roundhouse. So…c.roundhouse! >;)

-Gotta mess around with it, but I believe Jag Kick > lariat. IIRC, I had to hit it at the edge.

-Jag tooth < lariat. Even EX. It’s tempting to go for if you shoved Gief to the corner (for EX Tooth into Ultra 2), but don’t. Grind it out.

Dudley:

-If I kept Dudley at mid-screen or further back, I was winning. Adon has the better pokes at that range. Just gotta look out for his few long range tricks (machine gun blow).

Boxer:

-I was consistently getting destroyed by vanilla IV set ups. None of Adon’s normals seem fast enough to deal with jab/short.

-S.roundhouse is too slow to armor break ex-rush punches. It seemed like I had to be pshycic to get that to work.

-S.forward may be your better anti-rush punch normal. Of course, if it is EX you’re gonna eat it.

Dictator:

-s.forward > scissor kick. You gotta hit his toes.

-s.roundhouse > scissor kick. This was a fluke, but it did work!

-Adon can definitely hang in this one. Baiting with specials and the usual Adon game aside, I was pulling ahead by stuffing scissor kicks with s.forward and outpoking his follow ups post blocking scissor kick combo (remember, Adon has good pokes also).

Blanka:

This match up is gonna be screwy. EX Vertical Ball owns up all air specials.

Ryu/Ken:

-Forward jag kick (ground/air) > fireballs: proper spacing and timing of course, because you’re skimming over the projectile
-Roundhouse Jag Kick (ground/air) > fireballs: proper spacing and timing of course, because you’re landing closer to where the move launched. Try not to sit on fireballs
-Tooth > fireball: properly timed and spaced, you’ll fly over it and put a foot in their face.
-SRK > Tooth: this is why you mess around with your baiting.

Oh boy. All kinds of crap. This is Adon trickery 101 match up. Read. Bait. Punish. Or wind up read, baited and punished.

There is more, but the wife is bugging me to go eat breakfast, so I’m stopping here. All of it could be COMPLETELY WRONG and I could be the scrubbiest Adon ever. This is just what I noticed from playing for a bit.

[Tizoc]

Could use some more tips for beating Ken, I’m thinking part of the reason I don’t do well is because I’m being impatient, but would appreciate some tips.
Also any advice against Juri? I’d say U1 is the best Ultra to use against her if the player is projectile happy.

[STANG]

I haven’t had much experience in matches but from what i’ve played boxer does seem to be a tough matchup. remember c.hp for his jumpins though. if he does a deep jump in. you have to just block.

[Sosage]

s.jab > Jaguar Tooth
s.jab > EX Jaguar Tooth

Characters that have issues doing this:

Gen
Hakan
Dictator
Dhalsim
Blanka
El Fuerte
T.Hawk

The universal issue with these characters landing it is their jab hitbox seems to be a bit low (or in Hawk’s case, really low). Slower jabbers, obviously, have a harder time stuffing both Tooths. Those that can spam the shit out of Jab, however, can stuff it all day if they see it coming (oh thank you…Shotos happen to land in this camp…how nice). If your angle is just right, you can still land/trade against everyone.

I found this out the hard way last night playing Sabre’s Cody. He normal’d every Tooth out of the air like it was free. I decided to test this out this morning (20 minutes of jabbing tooth with every character) and…yeah…there you go. Regular Tooth bait needs to be on point versus quick s.jab characters. EX-Tooth is still really quick and tricky to jab consistently, but it is doable. So keep that in mind.

[System_1]

Well, looks you guys already covered it, but I’m starting to think Blanka may be one of Adon’s worse matchups.

[Dullyanna]

Later this week I’m gonna work on character-specific punishment. I was planning on making a thread for it for the sake of organization, but if people would prefer I post it here that’s fine. Aside from the incredibly obvious stuff, I know for sure at this point that all of Juri’s regular pinwheels are lk RJ punishable (In case you didn’t know, EX Pinwheel is -22 on block or so), Fei Long’s f.MK is punishable by lk RJ (But not the others, so I’m guessing lk RJ has a 4 frame startup and the others at least have five or more), and JKs consistently go over Boxer’s c.LP. They also seem to trade very consistently with non EX HBs (Which will still often give Boxer a free U1).

Matchup-wise this looks to be a kind of typical match for Blanka (Both characters are gonna be turtling heavily imho), but being able to punish EX Up ball on hit is a major plus. It’s too early to say for sure but it feels to me that Adon can at least play the footsie game with grapplers (Having DP into ultra as a deterrent can help, too). Boxer’s definitely nasty, since he can run most of his typical BS on Adon. Only pluses I can see so far is that the only OH Dash combo he can land is c.HK, and Adon can punish it on block with any reversal RJ.

[System_1]

would like to echo the s.HK against zangief & t-hawk. only time i used special was for LK jag tooth into the corner or HK jag tooth out of it (got pushed back into the corner against t-hawk) Roundhouse Roundhouse Roundhouse. landing both hits against lariat happy idiot giefs is a bonus. biggest thing to worry about against both characters is an empty jump.

[Demon_Jim]

This is my opinion but from what I’m noticing early Dhalsim > Adon. I played a few good Dhalsims and well anything I did was shut down. Seemed that dhalsims normals stuffed all of my special moves even EX. I had to play very patiently but I was amazed at how jaguar kick and jaguar tooth were being stuffed by Sims lims with ease.

Anybody got strats against dhalsim?

-DJ-

[rb_999]

would like to echo the s.HK against zangief & t-hawk. only time i used special was for LK jag tooth into the corner or HK jag tooth out of it (got pushed back into the corner against t-hawk) Roundhouse Roundhouse Roundhouse. landing both hits against lariat happy idiot giefs is a bonus. biggest thing to worry about against both characters is an empty jump.

Worked beautifully, thanks a lot (as well as OP). It also works well as an anti-air I find (so long as they are not right on top of you)

[dfyb]

Guy hurricane kick snuffed U2

[foxisquick]

I play rog and adon. I have a few pointers but i don’t have a full matchup approach since the game just came out. Major one is s.HK and c.MP for adon. They stuff so much against rog. You can’t get into a normal war against him which kinda sucks. I’m not sure how much - HK Tooth is at but it seems to be less then -2 since i had someone continue to throw me out of it and they couldn’t. So against rog who like to use jab a lot that is a frame trap for you. I think it really comes down to using tooth a lot when he doesn’t have a downcharge and just really getting him to get overagressie with specials so you can stuff him. I think this is gonna be a 6-4 in rogs favor as it stands, but i’ll have more as i practice.

[Mr_Suplex]

Any tips on fighting Vega? He just seems to do everything Adon does, but better. He seems just as fast, he can out-poke with superior range, and his wall jumping game is superior. Any ideas here? I was really struggling in this matchup.

[Demon_Jim]

This is my opinion but from what I’m noticing early Dhalsim > Adon. I played a few good Dhalsims and well anything I did was shut down. Seemed that dhalsims normals stuffed all of my special moves even EX. I had to play very patiently but I was amazed at how jaguar kick and jaguar tooth were being stuffed by Sims lims with ease.

Anybody got strats against dhalsim?

-DJ-

Quoting myself to add more.

I wrote this in my regional thread explaining what I was seeing in my Dhalsim matches

I still think Dhalsim is stupid against Adon (I don’t know about the rest of the cast though). All of my special moves were stuffed by either a stretching arm or leg. Jaguar tooth (ex also) was knocked clean out over and over by his legs and same with Jaguar kick. I’m not sure what move it is but Sim’s anti-air where he picks up his knee kept stopping my jaguar tooth when it got close, when the limb didn’t come out sim’s backup was that knee. The best I got on that was a trade. Adon’s hitbox on his rising jaguar sucks balls so I never was able to uppercut sim throwing his arms out because they were so low. Once I got in damn sim would teleport out and the chase commences again. This leaves to believe that seth would give me the same trouble with him stretching and teleporting as well, I have yet to play this match so I can’t comment on it.

I still haven’t figured out anything solid to use again Sim though.

I also learned something against Chun but I need to do more testing. But on 2 instances in which she tried to counter me jumping in using a spinning bird kick (ex and regular) I was able to kick her out clean using Adon’s instant over head kick while coming down. I did this pretty much hitting her body so I don’t know if you can kick her leg and get away with it. I’ll test more later and post finding here.

-DJ-

[System_1]

Any tips on fighting Vega? He just seems to do everything Adon does, but better. He seems just as fast, he can out-poke with superior range, and his wall jumping game is superior. Any ideas here? I was really struggling in this matchup.

Yeah, it really feels like you have to be on the defensive in this match, Vega can go toe-to-toe with you if you’re extremely aggressive. I was able to keep a few vegas out with st.HK, but otherwise I was stuck on defense the entire time