the truth !
thats the only thing i wanted to point.
with more matches, evil would lose, its evident.
but he won THE match he had to win. and there is nothing to add
yes… no need to defend daigo… he did well to win THREE other tournaments at ABS.
give Evil some credit for winning. I knew that Daigo losing would be one of the first vids put up. No biggie. Wasn’t straight domination or anything, good match. I haven’t heard any of the french players talking with a big head… so stop bashing on them.
think of all the BS that would have occurred if Dr. B beat Daigo… shit happens when you play someone you aren’t used to.
Apoc, point taken. But you have to also factor in that they were playing on the DC version which is faster than the arcade, meaning less time to react to a roll.
Maaan I hate it when they only show the characters the top few players used. Is there like a signup list with all the players and characters used?
i just watched the video (i havent see the match yet)…
DAIGO PLAYS LIKE A SHIT IN IT !!! WTF. anybody could win if he plays like this. im too disapointed…missing everything, doing fucking newbs mistakes (cr MK with guile after a roll??? doesnt he have a slower move???)…so strange
the arcade/dc speed dif is so overrated. Especially considering the arcade speed itself varies from cabinet to cabinet. So there is no perfectly set arcade speed to compare to the dc speed. The argument can be brought up that even with all the variety in speed on the arcade its still slower than the dc. That MAY be true but the speed dif is not enough for anybody to fuck up combos and things. The bigger prob with console play is joysticks and comfortable seating
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the arcade/dc speed dif is so overrated. Especially considering the arcade speed itself varies from cabinet to cabinet. So there is no perfectly set arcade speed to compare to the dc speed. The argument can be brought up that even with all the variety in speed on the arcade its still slower than the dc. That MAY be true but the speed dif is not enough for anybody to fuck up combos and things. The bigger prob with console play is joysticks and comfortable seating…
Sorry, the arcade play at 3 is slower than the console speed at 3. Console speed at 2 is closer to the arcade experience because it slows down the rolls. Regardless of this, timing will be off doing combos, so if you practice P, K, or regular combos, you will be off on them. The speed does not “vary” unless one arcade has it on 4, and one on 3.
It is enough to change the timing completely. Believe me, anyone who has went back and forth will tell you. From XBOX to DC to Arcade…comfortable seating? Joystick needs not to move, unless you are used to it.
Console is DIFFERENT than arcade. Daigo lost on console. Not arcade, and it was one match, but Evil beat him when it counted…it happens.
no i don’t no if he had a nick or not, maybe he was The Destroyer.
Here’s a question; why didn’t Evil use roll cancelling? Does he?
No he doesn’t.
He play with a pad, and it’s difficult to execute RC with it.
Haha, lots of bullshit in this thread. Listen to the people to attended the tournament, they know what went down. Better yet, ask skisonic (USA player, went to Evo) if Evil and yamazaki93 are scrubs… I honestly doubt he’ll say they are.
The DC/joystick excuses are completely void. I ended up being one of the two main guys running the tournament, and we made sure to cater to the Japanese players to give them the best playing conditions as possible. They said they didn’t have any problem playing on console since they already knew months ago, they understand the situation in America/Europe and said it was completely fine for them. So as a side note, I’m fairly sure some Japanese players will still go to Evo this year despite it being held on console.
I even went as far as asking the players BEFORE the tournament if adapting to DC timings was difficult, to which they replied “not at all”. Now, I know the Japanese try to avoid confrontation so I made sure to ask several times, and I always got the same answer. I can probably even get Kuni to back me up on this if you don’t believe me. They said they even practiced DC on purpose before coming to the tournament, although not all of them own home systems.
The Japanese had the choice to enter with their own joysticks but they didn’t. Still, at the venue they got to choose between loads of sticks (Agetecs, Horis, Namcos, even custom sanwas) and they ALL tested them out in training mode before EVERY match in front of EVERYONE to make sure they were good. They switched sticks whenever one wasn’t to their liking. So it’s quite stupid to blame the sticks for Daigo’s mistakes if you have no idea what happened there. He’s just human and misses stuff sometimes like all of us. Daigo wasn’t even upset after the loss, and he surely did not blame the sticks or DC version. We told him it was unlucky and he just smiled and shrugged it off.
So Daigo lost. Get over it, it happens. The better players don’t always win in tournaments. If an American beat Daigo you all would be sucking his cock as usual. Evil never claimed he was better than Daigo or than any of you. He doesn’t give a shit and he knows it was just one game and he wouldn’t have done so well if Daigo was at the top of his game. Some of you are just so jealous that you feel the need to diss him or find excuses for Daigo when you weren’t even there. When Daigo does roll super it’s psychic, when USA players do roll super it’s skill, but when everyone else does it it’s scrubby? It’s funny, instead of blaming their own game for being so stupid, the CvS2 fans have to diss Evil for playing like that and winning. You think Japan doesn’t have scrubs? Do you seriously think Daigo’s never played anyone who does random roll supers before? Daigo’s been to Evo2k3, but he’s not used to playing random scrubs? Now, now, you’re not making any sense…
Daigo played Evil lots of time in casual before the tournament… Evil is actually good, he plays a very unorthodox style that doesn’t really translate well to videos but it throws off lots of players and he can adapt very well. Bas and Daigo both said that yamazaki93 was quite good and probably the best player in Europe, and yet Evil beat him. Sheer luck 3 times in a row to get thought RF? I don’t think so.
Evil isn’t even my buddy and I didn’t think he had a chance of beating Daigo, so I have very little reason to back him up. He can’t even speak English. But it’s always the same with Americans, some of you are so fucking egocentric that you get overly defensive when foreigners do well. Wake up already, the gaming world doesn’t revolve around the USA.
People said the same exact same things when Dan The Nightmare won SC2 at Evo2K3. They called him a scrub and said his win was just a fluke. Well guess what, he still got top 2 in the biggest SC2 tournament ever last month and all the top players reckon he’s one of the best in the world. I wonder where the haters are now…
P.S: gakousei, please put up the Daigo vs yamazaki93 group match. It won’t be on the DVD anyway.
BillyKane = Truth
peace
SKJ
billykane = truth… true dat
Dr. B got his cock sucked just for ALMOST beating him. 
Ino vs Yamazaki93 (casual) is up. I like all these videos from casual so please keep uploading them :evil:
HAHAHA True. Dr.B ALMOST beat him and got MAD props. Evil actually does beat him and get hated on. The fuckin irony:bluu:
peace
SKJ
personally since honda is my main char, roll super is probably his BEST move :eek:
Geez. You missed the point entirely. I was stating that Evil was smart enough not to believe the hype surrounding situations like this. Ppl will tell you that it’s stupid. No one will tell you that because it’s stupid, it’s viable because it’s unpredictable. I gave Evil credit. Hell, the fact that he beat Daigo in a tourney setting is credit alone. No one can take that away from him and it’s an accomplishment that not many, including top players, can call their own.
My point was that Evil made a lot of “top-players,” and their formulas for winning, look stupid. There is a lot to be said for knowing when to take a risk and most play so safe nowadays that their not really fighting, they’re calculating odds and using the least ammount of risks as possible. Evil went against that said knowledge and beat one of the best in the world. That makes ppl look stupid and that’s part of what made it funny and great at the same time.
Perhaps you read me wrong but, it’s about time someone showed that shit working when “top players” claim that it’s stupid and doesn’t work. I think those ppl are ignorant to other perspectives. He gets mad props from me and I assumed he would from everyone else. I just had to point out that an effective tactic that he used is looked down upon as scrubby when, it’s a part of the game that can clearly work in the gambler’s favor.
See, you neglect the fact that I, unlike countless others that probably won’t post, won’t make excuses for Daigo. In fact, I didn’t say crap about Daigo.
I don’t see how anything I said was negative regarding Evil’s win. Perhaps your preconceived notions about me had you reading into things or I wasn’t clear. Either way, your understanding of what I wrote is way off and you missed the point.
In a nutshell I said: “Bravo! Evil didn’t just listen to SRK “gods” and was smart enough to risk when he needed to and beat Daigo in the process while using a technique that respected players view as scrubby. No scrub beats Daigo.” I was snubbing my nose at popular opinion and NOT Evil. Especially when I’m told that I’m stupid. It’s nice to have proof.
I hope that cleared it up. If not, I’m not interested in competing, and don’t, so hate on me all you want or think whatever you want about me. I understand that anyone can come off different from how they intend to when it is in text. It’s just part of posting.
Apoc.
ummm
i thought dan the knightmare was the best in sc2 in the world
I dunno. That one looked legit to me. Daigo got arrogant and thought he had Evil frozen so he kept attacking. Evil saw that Daigo was going after him so he utilized the roll while Daigo was being overconfident and got owned by it. That was Daigo being stupid. Throwing that rh out while not punishing a whiff? Didn’t seem too smart to me.
As for ppl calling Evil a scrub. Yo, he beat Daigo. I don’t care if Daigo was playing to his potential or not. I don’t see ppl making excuses for other top players when they lose.
I think what ppl don’t like is that scrubby shit is effective in this game. Hell, K groove is super scrubby. Look at the match with Ino. Ino clearly outplayed his opponent in almost every way yet, at the end of the round, one look at the meters make it look close. K makes any match seem competitive among good players. You’re also not going to hear about any top tier characters being scrubby because top players use them. There’s a lot of retarded shit in CvS2 and ppl don’t like when it’s brought to light. Also, ppl are trying to master so much shit and a million counter characters and Evil comes in and wins with basic shit and “stupid” roll-super. That leaves about taste in ppls mouths but ppl need to take the blinders off. Daigo lost. Evil wasn’t too impressive…but he beat Daigo. He beat Daigo and he’s called a scrub. Come on ppl, get a clue. What you don’t like about the match is what was effective. Sure, Daigo might not have been up to par but, 99.9% of all players aren’t going to win against Daigo regardless of Daigo having a bad day or whatever you’d like to call it.
Face it, Evil won using shit that is used at a mediocre level and it pisses ppl off. But it’s not Evil that’s scrubby, it’s the game that allows for shit like that. CvS2 lovers don’t want to hate on their own game for WHATEVER reason. In the same sense, K groove players don’t want to believe that they use the scrubbiest possible groove and NO one wants to admit how easy Sagat makes a match. The winner always gets props because ppl don’t want to care how you win. Now that Daigo lost, all of a sudden ppl care how he lost!?! What kind of sense does this make, ppl?
Don’t hate on Evil. Just admit that there is stupid shit in the game and get over it. I still like CvS2 and play it for what I like about it but there’s no need to pretend it doesn’t have a lot of stupid shit. Get over it. The best players don’t always win. If you think Ino wins because he’s the best player and not because he picks the best and easiest characters in the best and easiest groove, you’re kidding yourselves. Not that Ino isn’t top tier. But I’m willing to bet that even he knows that his team is the easiest possible to win with ESPECIALLY when you have skills. That’s part of strategy. While some are more into particular character and match strategies, more ppl apply strategy to their character choices.
Keep in mind that I’m not hating on CvS2. I’m just stating that there’s plenty of stupid shit in it. THERE HAS TO BE, nowadays. If games were designed so that the best players wins almost no matter what, the games wouldn’t make money. Not as many ppl could play. Get over it. We’re never going to see a straight solid game again. It just wouldn’t be appreciated when the majority of players are losing constantly. Games are made with stupid shit to balance players and allow for comebacks. Ppl might not call these things stupid, that’s just my term for them. Think of it like driving games that allow folks to catch up. It’s the same concept. Ppl just don’t like hearing that because it belittles their wins. Still, that’s the way it is or rather, the way I see it.
Again, anyone calling anyone, that defeats Daigo in a tourney setting, is acting foolish. Daigo knew he’d be playing the DC version in advance. In fact, Daigo and the Japanese are advantaged over everyone else. They get the games first, test them, they play everyday for hours(being a much stronger part of their culture) committing far more time to the games than any reasonable adult with a job/school/family…etc. They play both on arcade and console and have more competition than everyone else. It’s FUCKING stupid to make excuses for the Japanese when they lose because, as far as training ground, they are waaaaay beyond us. It’s like natural athletes vs. steroid athletes. The scales are in their favor just because of their culture and training ground.
That being said, when they win, it makes sense and is expected. When they lose, they REALLY lost and BAD. It’s like Rocky vs. Drago. But in the sense that Rocky trained half of the time than drago. Drago had every advantage. When the Japanese lose, they really do look stupid from a perspective. Instead, since they win so much, they are worshipped and no one seems to remember that they were clearly advantaged in the first place.
I think ppl need to look at things in a more realistic sense.
Apoc.
Edit:Heh, just noticed that BillyKane picked up on the fact that ppl would rather dis Evil instead of the game itself for what it is. Good call, imo. I guess parts of my post show that I clearly agree.