Gary 6: Got’cha’. Lemme make it for you real quick. 
If anyone else wants an avatar, this week is the week to ask. o.o;
Gary 6: Your avatar is done, and I attached it to this post. 
Hope it’s what you wanted.
ruiN-: 
Too good.
haha. thats friggin awesome. better than I expected. thank you.
hello peeps down in reno.
me and my crew are headed up there for the weekend. i was wondering if there is any competition going to be there, cause if not we will just go and gamble all night.
just to let u know what games we will be playing,
TTT
VF4
MvC2
MvC1
CvS2
CvS1
GGXX
thats about it
well if you want we have the #1 player in MvC 1 on the west coast coming up and the #1 scrub master player in CvS 2 also coming
so if you want to schedule a gathering for some friendly competition then just let us know.
Well if you and your homies are coming up we’ll pull something together fo ya for sure. Btw where are ya from?
Every fri and sat we are down at atlantis you’ll be sure to have some comp in GGXX MvC2 n’ CvS2. Our MvC1 machine sucks the dick hardcore style. We also dont play much TTT (except for rob he plays it on a very rare occasion) and we are just learning VF4 we all arnt that good. We dont have Vf4 TTT or cvs1 machines but rob has the game at home.
Hit us up and let us know when your comin in. Peace
The only place to catch us would be “Atlantis” casino resort. (www.atlantiscasino.com for location information). The arcade is on the 2nd floor, and we usually start showing up around 8:30 on Saturday; but we’ll show up Friday if you want too. Um… We have GGXX, CvS2, MvC2, and SC2 at our arcade (the only working games that have 360’s and whatnot). GGXX is by far the most popular, with CvS2 + SC2 a close second. MvC2 isn’t played as much, but we have a few players who still mess around with it. ^^
sup foos.
I am the guy who uses May at the tournaments; actually, I think most people know that by now because of http://renocrew.hahcoe.net (which is kinda being worked on at the moment so it might be messed up).
Anyways, I just wanted to say some things about what Rob said.
I think people lose to hour-old characters and my weak ass May because the characters in GGXX are really unique. In an hour you can figure out more than a few good tricks to throw people off, especially if they don’t have experience fighting that particular character. And also the reverse, if you have played the character your opponent is using before then you are aware of their weaknesses and can come up with opportunities to exploit them.
However, having said that, the characters may be totally different, but there are still only 5 buttons, everyone has AD, FD, RC, etc. The object of the game is still to beat ass. You can block, combo, do specials, supers, etc. To me, those are the basics. What everyone has to work with. And all of the Reno players obviously have that down, or in my case, almost do.
People aren’t just randomly picking characters they haven’t played before and going up against someone’s main. I don’t think anyone would do that, so if you’re playing a character it’s pretty safe to assume you’ve devoted at least a little bit of time to him/her. It doesn’t take long to figure out a character’s ranges, speeds, moves. It doesn’t take long to figure out their bread and butter. So I think it’s also safe to assume in that little bit of practice time you have at least a basic idea of what that character can do in general situations.
Any extra time you spend practicing a character is to perfect combos, learn new combos, test setups, and test character-specific strategies. These are the extra things that someone who has been playing their character for a long time has. However, over the course of how long they’ve been playing, they’ve probably played their character against other characters and have developed strategies against them.
And that’s what I’m getting at. How many of you have played your main character against every other character in GGXX on a regular basis? So much so that you know which moves will beat out which and what moves not to use. So much so that you can see the gaps in their attacks and punish them. So much so that you can predict what they’ll try against you and be ready for it?
So much of this game is character vs character strategy. And given the newness of the game, it doesn’t really come as a surprise when you beat someone with an hours-old character. They just are an unfamiliar matchup to you. You simply haven’t developed a strategy for that particular character.
I’m not disagreeing that Reno players need to improve; I think everyone wants to improve and tries to do that. But I really don’t think the problem has to do with the basics of the game. As I said earlier, the basics are simply the general game mechanics(unless you were referring to something else). You don’t see people whiffing hcf motions, except me, do you? Everyone I watch is pretty consistent and comfortable with their gameplay.
I think the weakness of the players here is that we’re so small, and a lot of the characters simply aren’t used. How many of you actually played against May before I started using her? If you did play against her, how many times? Enough to learn what she’s capable of? When I(somehow) beat JC, I didn’t even realize that I could S poke into the whale super until I tried it. But, I bet he didn’t know that either. Crazy shit just comes up and even with an hours-old Chipp you can play around mid-match and find things that will trip your opponent up.
There is so much more to this game; so much shit that it is just insane. You can say that a lack of basic technique is what is causing people to lose, but what about their mindset, or how quick they are that day. A lot of wake-up games are 50/50’s and sometimes gambles don’t pay off. You can say that this game is about skill, and I agree that it is, but randomness is also a factor.
As for Andre beating so much ass, what can I say, that guy was just on fire with his Johnny.
Anyways I’m gonna wrap this shit up before I end up writing a book. I’m not saying that I’m qualified to say this stuff, obviously you guys have been playing fighting games seriously a lot longer than I have, but I’m not dumb either and I do notice some things. I know I’m not the best but I try to practice a little bit and at least bring one new thing to each tournament. I try not to random air burst after combos are over too much anymore, but it still happens. I know I have a lot more to learn, and you guys have been really supportive about me using May, which I appreciate so peace!
Oh, I know this is oldschool funny right here, most of you might have already seen it. But I dug it up on my hard drive and uploaded it. Cuz hah coe gives back to the community.
http://www.hahcoe.net/hahcoe/video
I just about gave up messing around in SvC. Now I’m playing VF4 Evolution and SS Warriors Rage on the PS2. Yeah I did get SS Warriors Rage back :lol: even though it does have it’s awful moments gameplay/graphics wise however the artwork on the characters espiecally Mikoto is one thing I won’t pass up on.
I’m hooked on VF4 Evl and I’m still learning the basics. Well I have to go work. At least I had time to update my avatar.
I’m holding you to it, Jr…
On to other things…everybody needs to chill the fuck out and learn how to uppercut when people jump in and throw when they roll…you need to green-orb in the air and you have to throw, throw, throw!!! Admittingly, it lacks the verbosity that Rob gave it, but it’s hardly the first time anyone has said it…learn the basics…
I may be incorrect in my assumption, but I just think everyone is tired of everyone else complaining about their losses…too often I (and everyone else for that matter) blurt out “What the fuck was that?” in the middle of a match…the point is that you will always feel cheated and dissatified if you don’t have the simple understanding and mastery of a game’s system…
If you want to get mad at Rob, get mad at Nelson for pointing it out to him last time he was down here…if you can’t uppercut when people jump in, don’t play uppercut characters…basic…
I make my own…I think Paul and I are the two top elite avatar mastas…Paul has the macros technical edge and I have the “all the time in the world to spend working on stupid GGXX Yatta! avs” edge…
Oh yeah…don’t forget…uppercut…
yo reno playas,
well we are from the davis, sac, san jose area. we will prabably get to reno about 9 or so on friday night and we can go to atalantis after we check in. so if u guys are going to be there then we will definately make the trip.
yeah we have a few GGxx players but mostly MvC2 and CvS2 is the main choice and TTT. sorry guy since not as many people play SC2 in cali, I did not pick up the game. and i am the only person that is going who plays the 3-d games.
so do u guys have any say on the maitenance of the games there? cause we would like to play and not complain
we will make intros when we meet up.
Conditions as of today:
GGXX: Perfect working condition.
CvS2: I haven’t had any trouble with it lately…
MvC2: Works just fine too.
SC2: Have to ask one of the 3D gamers (iidx-nick or nyacono)
How many peeps are comin’ up? And it’ll be great to have some out of town comp. ^___^
about 7 of us,
most of us play all the games
Finally out of town comp after Evo. We usually get those like during Christmas weekend and stuff. Cool, can’t wait, expect to see the crew there, I know I have a raid to attend to in EQ so I prolly won’t make it. Well have fun in our small little town, and btw, gambline=free drinks, as long as you know what your doing.
JP
Verbosity defecit or not, I think this is a better way to explain it. Spell things out specifically. Don’t rely on a cliche term like “The Basics.” If you think somebody doesn’t understand the basics then why would you think that the term “basics” means the same to them as it does to you. Anybody who truly understands the basics should be able to explain them clearly. Then it can be a positive thing to work on rather than a criticism that people may or may not be able to do anything with.
In honor of the basics I am going to try to learn my basic Xianghua this week.
p.s. whatever the hell a green-orb is I’m sure that it is choc full of ggxx goodness
BASICS!!!
Green-orb-Faultess Defense, you take no chip-damage while using your tension(super) bar. GGXX Choc full of goodness aight :D.
Basics-returning to the root of all fighting games, in SF terms: knowing how to uppercut, when to uppercut, why do you uppercut. When you throw the fireball, why you do a fireball, and knowing how to throw “A” fireball. What limbs work, why it works, “HOW” it works. TICK THROW (jab, then throw). Why you “alpha-counter”, when to “alpha-counter”(alpha series, CvS2). Why RC works and when to RC(CvS2). KoF terms: knowing why you roll, and when you roll, and when “NOT” to roll. When you tech roll, and when not too. GuiltyGear terms:Why Faultless Defense work, when you can air-dash, when not to air-dash, when to burst(XX) and when not too. When to flip out of a combo, and when not too(X and XX). When you air-throw and when you can’t and “WHY” you air-throw or watch out to get air-throwned(XX). SC terms (ask ii-dx or nyacano or Rob or Andrei for sure since “I” dont’ know how this game works.)
That’s basics. Any questions?
Well I knew eventually someone is gonna challenge me in telling them what “The Basic” are…
Im glad someone did… here I go…
To me the basics… is not … walking/jumping/doing a fireball/doing an air dash/ etc… those information are given to you… to me thats not basics at all… that to me are the fundamentals of each game…
Im going to use learning how to spell as my analogy… U can say i can spell because I know my ABC’s… wow thats great now spell penumonoultramicroscopicsilicavolanokinosis… hehe yes this is a real word… anyways the ABC’s are the fundamentals… the basics involve knowing the rules… i before e except after c (god id be embarrass if that was wrong… :D)… and know the different prefixes and suffixes etc… etc… those to me are the basics of learning how to spell…
So to me the basics of gaming… is
Range - knowing what u’re characters longest poke… what is your characters best poke… what is your characters highest priority poke… etc…
Anti-Air - what is your characters best anti-air… and at what range… are there other anti-airs that are better at different ranges… etc…
air to air - what is your best air to air move… how much priority does it have… etc…
What moves chain… to one another… what moves two in one into super… what moves two in one into specials… what moves cant be two in one into anything…
What is the best setups for certain situation… knowing when u’re in control of the match and when your oppoenent is… and knowing how to keep it in your control and seeing opportunities to get it back…
Knowing that at a given situation what is your best option… do u let him fall do u anti-air him… do u counter… do force him to block… etc… etc… and knowing the consiquenses of every action… well thats a little more advance… but it a basic to have that in mind when u play…
etc … etc… etc… and it goes on and on… THOSE ARE THE BASICS…
Its knowing those information and more that makes your character solid… that make it so that regardless who comes up and who they choose that u can keep your grounds w/o completely getting ripped…
knowing the basics also makes u aware that sometimes what u think is BS… is true… because of the priorities of each move…
knowing the basics also makes u aware that there is no Randomness in games… its all about skillz and that a skilled player should alway beat a newbe…
… now what about combos… imo combos are not basics at all… no they are not advance stuffs either… they are just there to enhance the gaming experience… why?
combos are learned techniques… anyone and everyone can learn the dust loop w/ sol … or the infinate w/ magnito… or the custom combo w/ sakura in cvs2… its all about practice nothing more…
the setups to land those combos on the other hand is part of your basics…
what do i consider ADVANCE TECHNIQUE…
mindgames, consistancy, specific character to character matchups and knowing what to exploit… and many more…
hopefully this give some insights in what i want reno player learning how to do…
ROB_UNR
Hehe see, that’s what I had to learn. What I said is pretty much a little summary of what you’re suppse to already know, like what he said. See we’re giving out to the community as well :D.
JP
ahem
…pne… …olca…
^^
Rob, you are in med school, correct? I don’t remember where I heard that, maybe it was in a dream or something. Just curious really…
Those are pretty good basics. But I’d also so that a basic mixup game is another basic one should know. Mid-Low-Throw mixup is mucho importante!