So everyone loves EVO right? You can’t not love EVO, its a conglomerate of the best fighting games around and the best fighting game players around all mixed together in a giant melting pot of things that make your penis feel smaller looking at it. Seriously, there is nothing more emasculating then seeing the pro’s do that thing that pro’s do. Which makes it all the more inspiring as a player to watch. But recently I’ve talked to a few friends about EVO and it seems its fallen out of their good graces due to a decision of lineup. Now I don’t think this is new, no matter how much we wish it didn’t happen, sometimes your game gets left out. But the issue these few I’ve talked to (they don’t seem to be of the majority opinion, but a minority opinion is still a valid one.) seem to have is that their game not only got representation last year, but was extremely well received. Blazblue CP had such an amazing showing at EVO that it almost convinced me to drop my current game (SFIV) and pick up a ps3 just to take my shot at it. But for some reason Blazblue isn’t going to be seen this next time around, despite the aforementioned hypetrain. But, as we have previously covered, sometimes your game is left out, not everyone’s game makes it (especially the case with the “anime” FG’s). That’s not the problem that I and these others have at all, but before I get to that lets look at EVO’s lineup.
USFIV - A given, I don’t think we are going to see an EVO without street fighter for a very long time if the FGC has anything to say about it. No problem there.
UMVC3 - A staple at this point, not a big surprise that its around (tho a few would disagree)
Smash 4 - New smash? New smash.
GG Xrd - Okay, I can see it, so far we are very diverse.
KI - Super hype to see KI back again, this game is fun to play and even more fun to watch, and its thriving young competitive scene is going strong.
MKX - Well…can’t really form an opinion as it isn’t out yet, but I suppose it will have plenty of time to flesh out before the time comes around, and I can’t imagine it will be so much different from MK9 as to warrant not including it.
Persona - I’ve nothing to say about it, haven’t played it, apparently its being very well received and the persona fandom is being encouraged into the FGC by it so I cant see an issue.
Tekken 7 - Again, its not out yet so I don’t really know what to say about it, but again, its a sequel and I’m sure it wont be that much different from the previous installment.
Smash Melee - Um…old smash. Large fanbase? Consistent if not stagnant competitive scene? Brings in a big chunk of attendance.
The question is why two smash games? Why does melee need to be around with smash 4 growing and fleshing itself out in a great way? Why does smash 4 need to be around if Melee has such a great competitive scene and such a large viewership? Why not boot one of these games for blazblue? I’ll be the first to admit I’m not a smash player, I think smash is great and I like that it can be a great entry level game for people getting into the FGC and I see it all over the place so god knows its popular, but I don’t play it. Why does smash need two slots? What decisions do you think went into this and do you think blazblue will get representation after extend launches? And if you think your game was left out and was more deserving of another games spot, which game and why? Keep in mind this shouldn’t turn into a “My game is better then your game”. Discussion? :3
I’m going to ignore the other questionable stuff you wrote and just address smash bros
First off the melee scene is not stagnant. In fact it’s been growing really fast over the last few years.
I posted most of this somewhere else before but…
The communities for Smash 4 and Melee overlap but not as much as you would think.
Smash 4 at Apex this year was pretty big…but Melee still managed to be a lot bigger. It would seem like that means that Evo should only want melee but actually that could lead to a large amount of people not showing up. The reason for this is that the a lot of the community for Smash 4 comes from Brawl and from new players, which means they have no real ability to play Melee. Melee has a lot important, high execution techniques that are not present in the rest of the series. There are also many techniques and abilities in Melee that are not mirrored in Smash 4 (At all). This combined with the fact that a lot of Melee players don’t care even half as much about Smash 4 makes the communities for the two games very unique.
The difference between the two is like MvC2 and MvC3. They look real similar until you actually start learning them and then they’re like night and day.
Seriously if you took out the players who are entering both smash games and kept the ones playing just melee and just smash 4, both games would likely still get more players than Blazblue.
Well…that wasn’t nearly as civil as I thought it would be. But I see what you are trying to politely say…trying. But please! Address the other “questionable” stuff to, its about all around discussion, I just had a bit to say about smash . You seem to favor melee, so lets talk about that. Melee is a great game! I just don’t think a 14 year old game that hasn’t changed at all in that time should get priority over a new and VERY interesting title like blazblue CP. And if melee is so much more technical and competitive then smash 4 then why keep it around? The MvC2 and MvC3 argument doesn’t really apply here as MvC2 isn’t taking slots in current huge tournaments, I mean to be perfectly honest I’d rather see MvC2 at evo, but I’d never want to see both.
But why? Can you elaborate? I’d love to hear it. What makes smash melee more valuable then blazblue CP? Or Smash 4? Is my “attitude” popular among the FGC? Why do you think that is? And if not then how could it represent the FGC in a way that shows how much it “sucks”?
Because Melee is considered to be a great game with a very healthy competitive community. Heck, if you were to give Smash players with the choice of only 1 Smash game that they would have to play for the rest of their lives, it would be Melee.
More importantly, Melee has a bigger draw compared to BBCP.
And what Bob meant is that the attitude of simply going for new games without consideration if they’re really good tends to hurt the games that are proven to be good and probably deserve the competitive spotlight more than the new ones.
Of all things, you complain about the lack of BB despite the lineup already having TWO anime games? Not a peep about KoF, or any words on how TWO games that are really new got in despite not even being out when we were deciding games? We can talk about questionable decisions all day, but be realistic: BB is already infamous for poor tournament showings even compared to the other ArcSys games. Both Smash games have much larger player and viewer bases. That decision is strictly business.
Look, don’t get me wrong on this at all because I’ll be the first person to say I would’ve loved to see BBCP in EVO, and actually think that if it wasn’t for the amount of Japanese players saying they’d come down Persona that it’d get in instead but…Melee really hasn’t stagnated at all. If anything, the scene has had a pretty good resurgence and bit of growth again since it was at EVO 2013.
I’m not really sure how someone could think it was stagnant, to be honest. Of course, I have no idea how people can be all pro-KI 2013 when so many parts of it are things I’m surprised more people aren’t up in arms against, and that it (to me) seems ‘meh’ to play, so who knows.
Woah, just… no. The different Smash games’ communities don’t overlap that much. There are Brawl players, Smash 4 players, Smash 64 players who don’t give a crap about Melee.
And to the OP, yeah BBCP might have been hype last year, but the fact is that since then, ArcSys released a patch in the form of BBCP 2.0 and nobody liked the changes so nobody cares anymore.
it’s just simply business OP. Evo has to keep the money coming in so that it can continue being a thing. So they have to go with the games that’ll bring in the most contestants and viewers. BBCP while it had a good showing at Evo 2014, now really isn’t all the rage. Where as games like Meele and Smash WiiU have shown consistently high numbers in terms of entrants and viewers throughout the year. Buisness wise it makes more sense to have those games in. As for MKX and Tekken 7. While they haven’t been released yet, the average person is pretty hyped for those games. Like people who normally don’t care for the FGC. So featuring those two games will likely draw in the casual crowd who would other wise not care about Evo. From what I can tell, despite Anime’s rise in popularity here in the west. it’s still not that popular amongst the mainstream. So the average gamer isn’t gonna be interested in a anime aesthetics fighter. And a lot of players who do get into games like BB only do so for the characters, story and cuz it’s anime. Those players don’t really stick around, only a few. Honestly the BB community should count themselves lucky that even just once their game got to be played on the biggest stage.
Oh no thats not what I meant at all! I wasn’t trying to imply that smash 4 should be the game at evo and melee should be out, it was more that I don’t hold either of them higher then the other, and don’t really have an opinion on which should be there, just that both seems kinda weird. I suppose I worded it wrong. As stated in my second post, I’d rather see MVC2 then MVC3 at evo, so just because a game is “new” doesn’t mean I think it deserves priority. From reading all these posts I’m getting the impression its common opinion that its all based on established viewership then potential growth…that kind of makes me sad. I suppose theres nothing to do about it. But what about BBCP extend? I don’t know…I just think its kind of wrong to lump all the “anime fighters” together and pretend their no diversity in them.
Well excluding the Guilty Gear series a lot of them do play very similar and utilize the same mechanics. Where as even the average gamer can tell that there’s a difference between Street Fighter, mortal <omabt, Killer Instinct etc just by looking at some gameplay.
I’m not, in any real capacity anyway. I deeply considered it after its showing at evo, and then after this next lineup was announced I fell out of the idea. But I don’t see how that has anything to do with it. I play USFIV
Smash community has proven over and over again that they deserve this representation.
They show up, support their scene, spread the word, and even today they keep breaking attendance records.
The Blazeblue community hasn’t shown that commitment at all. Not even close.
Outside of a few majors, nobody shows up to BB tournaments in the US.
You are being awfully selfish if you think BB should replace a Smash game at EVO.
If the Blazeblue was to show that commitment with their support and numbers, I can promise you that the EVO staff would notice it immediately.
More action, less demands plz.
But if that’s the case then why don’t people cram smash 4 and smash melee together under the same principle? the average inexperienced onlooker would see the two and thing the only difference is that smash 4 looks a lot cleaner and smoother. While this is not at all the case, its essentially the same as lumping two anime games together because of their art styles. And mechanically blazblue is very different from both GG Xrd and persona it seems, and looking at the three of them they look distinct enough for the average person to differentiate.
. You seem to favor melee, so lets talk about that. Melee is a great game! I just don’t think a 14 year old game that hasn’t changed at all in that time should get priority over a new and VERY interesting title like blazblue CP. And if melee is so much more technical and competitive then smash 4 then why keep it around? The MvC2 and MvC3 argument doesn’t really apply here as MvC2 isn’t taking slots in current huge tournaments, I mean to be perfectly honest I’d rather see MvC2 at evo, but I’d never want to see both.
I suppose theres nothing to do about it. But what about BBCP extend? I don’t know…I just think its kind of wrong to lump all the “anime fighters” together and pretend their no diversity in them.