Personally I use more meter on EX Roll than any other EX Move, lots more. 
I donât see a point in having him roll backwards, Abel is an infighter, you donât want to have a bunch of space anyways. Thats why I say unless the roll is invincible, who really needs it, you shouldnât trying to escape from a corner, you should be dealing damage. They should be running from Abel. Ex Roll for a guaranteed escape but at the cost of resting the pace of the match for Abel sounds fair as fuck to me.
Wangyu: lol I donât see how. As it is most situations that you use that can be substituted with Ex TH with a chance to actually do damage or just cause block stun. Maybe I am just too agressive.
If Cody can use a knife, I dont see why Abel cant use a gun
No. Play real players, and watch how fast you get shut down when you hold down the forward direction. Abel has shitty pokes and no footsies. The only thing Abel has is mobility, so he can start up pressure, get some damage in, then get the FUCK OUT again.
Abel is one of the most easily pressured characters in the game. A good Sagat or Akuma can run pressure on Abel all day, EX-Roll at least gives you the option to escape.
Positioning and mobility are Abelâs strengths - you want to be close to them, but sometimes thatâs not always the best place for you to be.
When was the last time you used a super? You can sit there in the corner saving up for super and getting beat down all day - iâll use that meter to escape and reset my offensive options, thanks.
Everyone and their mom can pressure abel, big deal, thats not the point. As far as being in the corner, who the fuck is gonna wait to build meter in a corner for a super with anyone? Who the fuck can, thats the worst position in the game. Escape? SO many better things to do to âescapeâ Hell, you wanna roll out of a corner, try buffering into a regular roll and not waste any meter that could be Ex TT or Cod.
This is a really silly discussion to be having in December 2009. March⌠I can see it⌠but December? Wow.
Anyway, yeah⌠I probably use EX Roll more than any of Abelâs other EXâs. I also tend to use super fairly often incidentally.
But whatever. If you really donât see how obviously useful EX Roll is⌠well⌠I donât know.
Yeah, no one knows, its all obvious lol, sounds like people have just stopped thinking about it cause they are comfortable with throwing it out I guess. I see myself not liking it since I feel like Desi said, when I use it I feel like I am admitting defeat already from being pressured. Not a good feeling if you ask me. I would rather have something better than a half assed teleport that cost meter.
Except normal roll isnât hit invincible on startup, so everything smacks it outâŚ
Thatâs the whole point of ex-roll. Itâs his best escape option.
EX-TT and ex-roll in the corner both have their own benefits and cons. Most likely people will be keeping corner pressure by using pressure strings/block strings mixed in with neutral jumps. Youâre basically gambling that when you do ex-TT theyâre going to be sticking out a limb, and grounded. In return, you get the damage. If you misjudge however, youâre eating a fat combo to the face.
EX-Roll, if they do anything but throw, youâre safe.
And throw beats out every single EX option anyway.
Itâs all risk/reward and how much youâre willing to gamble. In some situations itâs better just to escape instead of trying to land addition damage thatâs a bad risk.
HAV: Itâs not really a silly discussion at all. No matter at what period of life the game is in, thereâs always going to be new players. No need for the condescension!
Ex Roll is safe on wakeup against a jump in, if you misstime EX tt youâre fucked. EX tt does work sometimes but IMO itâs not worth the risk. EX tt more often than not is the wrong decision period.
Heâs not a close in fighter really he has no priority at all, he canât really attack in the traditional sense he has to create the illusion of attacking, Abelâs only threat in close is the TT throw, most of your damage when using Abel will come from that or from your op attempting to avoid it.
thankfully, between those two things Abel does a ton of damage. That sounds like a solid in close character to me.
Canât say I really disagree with either of you. Like you said, his strength is an illusion, based on his good damage and shit priority. I know how painful it can be to have to deal with neutral jumping opponents that are baiting your grab. Itâs a pain in the ass.
Of course you can cr. fp and hope for the best but then we get back to the fact that his anti air game is too much guess work as well when you have everyone else throwing out the same fucking button with impunity. I just donât like the fact that all I am getting out of his ex roll is hit inviciblity when dudes like Vega get both with a push of a few buttons.
What about his shitty as hit box, someone explain why I should be getting hit by standing Bison roundhouses when I am sweeping of all things.
Also what the fuck is the deal with trying to hit blanka getting up and having your attack go clean through him. It seems to only happen against that fucker. Is it Abel specific and does it have to do with his hitbox as well?
Thatâs why we love him :lovin:
Blankaâs getting up animation/hitboxing is retarded. Heâs not actually grabbable or hittable until a little after it looks like heâs standing up, if you get me.
Blanka wakes up slower than other characters, you gotta delay all your meaties when playing against himâŚsame shit applies to balrog, but to a much lesser degree
They really need to make his falling sky an anti air with really strict timing. At least his EX version. Neutral jumping with Sakura completely screws Abel over unless he has super really, Or you can anticipate the jump and cr.fp.
So its just Blanka then, thats horseshit lol. Never really had that issue with Rog, it must not be as noticable. I still think the best thing with Abel is to change some of the properties of his hitbox. He shouldnât be getting hit clean out of his fucking sweep from the same attacks that can hit you out of the air.
Yeah, I am not so big on the FS, I would rather just have a more dependable normal versus shit like Saks neutral J. RH. Hell, random Ken scrubs can jump at you and if you donât got your timing super tight(escpecially ONLINE) you can have trouble against them and end up back to these whole âgetting pressuredâ thing. I guy that does that kind of damage shouldnât get pressured like that.
If anything, give him a low damage âget off meâ move, I would use it even if it took life like my girl [media=youtube]TxaDCbkQOPs"[/media].
With all the characters getting new tools I would like to see Abel make use of his Sambo Style fighting and throw out an arm bar, so the jabbing characters should watch out.
I agree with homeboy that it is a bit silly to put a stop to any Abel changes since this thread is a âwishâ list after all. Man, make Abel invincible, make him bring down a lighting strike when he does falling sky, make him lay a golden egg that explodes on impact. I think there are like 8 Abel players in the whole SF4 network so would be nice to see Abel appeal to some more users however that may become possible.
Play safe folks.
If it wasnât relatively easy to jump out of TT setups, Abel would be retarded good. He would be like Zangief, but with fast mobility. A tip: if you use normal throw every so often, youâll recover fast enough to block jumping attacks. Or, predict jumps and hit with relatively safe moves, like jump-back fierce, or gamble and screw with their heads by throwing out skyfall after a blocked step kick. Or tick with cr.jabs or shorts if they try to jump away. It leads to more step kick setups, or a CoD knockdown if youâre good at hit-confirming.
EX roll is a much better move than anything Vega has, because itâs so easy to punish a backflip, even though itâs invincible from frame 1. EX roll is invincible from frame 1 until the very end of the move. Backflip is also terrible in the corner.
EX roll needs to be susceptible to throws. It sucks when you get option-selected or just outguessed, but⌠objectively, it should be clear why they canât change it.
Iâd like to see a version of Abel with a Sonic Boom.
Dear santa
Standing medium punch into cod.
And change the boots on his alternative costume.
Something that doesnât scream âGay Gardenerâ.