Every time I come in this thread I see you getting beasted by Tokido:rofl:
But in all seriousness I wouldn’t even sweat it. I mean, he doesn’t outright murder you so I have to definitely give you props for that sir.
two questions for you
Is ex wheel kick through his ex air fb always free damage? Don’t have my 360 hooked up at the moment to test but I’d think at the right angle you could get hit out of it
If you see him demon flipping on your wakeup couldn’t you just ex roll out if he doesn’t have ultra? I don’t think air throw would catch you and crossup palm into throw would prob whiff.
I don’t play the akuma matchup too too much so how do you feel about these things?
if the demon flip is timed right, its difficult to get out of…this is what makes tokido so dangerous once he knocks you down. He abuses the 2-4 moves over and over again. doesn the same with vega!
lol yeah theres still a big gap between a player of his calibre and mine but im learning.
ex wheel kick through ex fb, like a bunch of other stuff, can work depending on the spacing/timing. sure sometimes if im a lil bit further away, ill get hit by at least one of the fb but he takes more damage(even if one hit of ex wheel kick hit), worst case youre gonna whiff the ex and eat the fb though lol.
he can time the demon flip throw so that it will beat any rolls, basically i have to guess and make a decision, this is where akuma can mindfuck you easily imo (i got hit by those palms so much because i thought he gon mix it up and throw me next — where my option is ONLY to jump)… maybe i should look at his hands when he’s starting his okizeme, fight cheapness with cheapness LMAO
with that, im off to go to the ranbat… ill try to record some casuals with him(and other players who might show up)…
Maybe playing a bit of akuma yourself would help (and I think this could probably help people in any matchup) and trying to figure out the particular timing he’d need to meaty flip to throw you out of the roll and buffering roll/ reacting appropriately?
After finals I will be living in training mode lol
so yeah its almost 5am and i just got home lol… i was unfortunate to fight tokido in the first round, and somehow i got mindfucked before the match started, got owned pretty bad… though i did learn a few things though im too tired to post about that now… tokido also did say that he thinks this matchup indeed favors akuma a lot, 7-3 at least… and when i asked him about any strong abel he played, he mentioned people like pikagoma and all but he said, truthfully, he almost never loses against those abels anyway.
stupid ass matchup…
edit: okay im awake now, so basically i talked about a lot of stuff with tokido, but regarding this matchup for abel, a few things he mentioned( do note that im not sayin that what hes saying is new or anything, just that its from his pov):
(regardin my abel eatin demon palm a lil bit too much/or just blockin all the time) ex tt beats it but again, not really without risk
use more sweep in this matchup – again, not really the safest thing to do
when i asked about his setup of meaty as shit j.hk(really hard to see whether its going to hit front or back), sure i know that if he went with j.hk - i need to block the normal way… or he can air tatsu and crosses up. he said that one thing that i can do is, since j.hk comes out faster — i can block both ways, block normal then block the other way(in case of air tatsu)… but if he knew im doing that, he can do something else and ill eat damage.
and yeah, im learnin gouki to know more about this matchup (though i feel like no matter its still going to be 7-3 hard to win matchup…)
Hfz69, what do you think is Abel’s best counterpoke against Akuma’s far s.HK?
Does Abel have any defensive option selects against Akuma dive kick option select after knockdown or is it just block or jump if you think he’s gonna grab? How about just sacrifice jump back and eat the reset dive kick if it is not meat enough?
I think maybe far st.mp is the best, followed by either st.lk or f.mk… s.lp can be used too. Then again… I dont find s.hk as much of a threat anymore on its own… Most of the time now I only get hit by it when its being comboed into… His far standing jab is a bitch to deal with but just now Tokido told me that I can focus dash and throw against that… then again, i rarely get the chance to do so lol. I fear his cr.mp more than his s.hk when it comes to pokes.
As for dive kick(i assume you meant the jump + down mk)… im not so sure because im usually too busy thinkin about how to deal with his demon flip shenanigans… But I guess I find his jump ins shenanigans less dangerous than demon flip(in a way that at least i just need to block properly and prepare to tech throw)… I guess if you can get the air reset, thats probably better than getting thrown for hard knockdown, but then, i believe he can time it so that you cant jump away. Knowing tokido, he OS everything too, like playing rock paper scissors with two hands against one, and the worst part is, its not win-win-lose but mostly win-win-draw for him…
Im sorry that doesnt really answer anything lol(my knowledge of OS is pretty limited) but I really need to learn more myself regarding this matchup, in a way that I need to play as gouki and learn his setups and all… Gouki’s wakeup game is too ridiculous even tokido get caught by it when he fought a good gouki.
p/s: oh and tokido was kinda amazed when he saw me did s.mp fadc TT lol said he never saw that before.
Sorry I meant demon flip, not dive kick. I think the only way to improve the matchup would be for Capcom to increased Akuma’s recovery on his demon flip throw so that Abel can combo after jumping a meaty throw.
you can use st.lk,st.mp, im sure u can f+mk the rh. and you can cr.mk x cod it. the rh isnt the problem. its the vortex and the options he has on your wake up. sure you can do things if he does x, but then x loses to y etc etc. its still a guessing game. theres no real answer since everything you do can get punished if the akuma player does something else.
I believe you can backdash if akuma tries his demon flip, or dive kick. He can still punish with a cr.roudhouse…or if he has a super or an ultra1, he can do that if you backdash! its all a guessing game.
I think the best thing to do is either back dash, or jump and hard punch.
…^ again its all a guessing game. backdash is probably the worse thing you can do. if he does palm you eat it/knock down, if he os’s sweep theres another knock down, he can os srk/demon etc. if you jump and he palms, knockdown, etc etc. like hfz said tokido gives tips but the tips he gave me at least (probably for him too), he told me if i think hes gonna demon throw nuetral rh(ed ma taught me a long time ago that you can jump forward jab too and then your in his face for a mix up if you like that), if i think hes gonna palm ex tt. sounds good huh? not easy though… the only real way to get out of the demon vortex is U2. he might get caught once but then they can start baiting it out when you have ultra and space/time it correctly they will go over you and avoid the ultra.
I know the competition on psn isnt like the tournamanet level, but I have met atleast one akuman who timed his flips so well, that I just could not get away. Really caught me off gaurd. Although there are some videos on youtube where tokido has lost to piko & robins abel, but those games are rare.
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Been playing a very good guy player recently and having trouble with the elbow. My problem stems from the fact i cant use st cl hp if he does it shallow (where the anti air st hp wont come out due to them being too far forward). What are my options besides block to deal with that?