Abel Combo Thread: the Emo Mercenary's Arsenal!

[Strider_Hyriu]

I’m starting to doubt the possibility of this (no offence Strider, just running through the facts) … OH -> st.lp is a one frame link. If it’s a one frame link, theres no way (from my understanding) that it could hit meaty, since it will HAVE to hit on the very first active frame for it to combo, meaning you can only ever be +6 on hit, which therefore means no f+mk

I’d love to be proved wrong, as any new ways to land Ultra could be potentially brutal, but the facts just don’t line up. The only way I can see this working is if you landed the overhead, then scored a counter hit on the st.lp

Any progress on that vid Strider ?

OH to lp is a 2 framer, and you have to hit lp at the last frame, so it makes it a 1 frame link if you want to connect fwd.mk.

obviously doesn’t work on all characters, i’ll make a list later to show which characters it works on.

[electric]

OH to lp is a 2 framer, and you have to hit lp at the last frame, so it makes it a 1 frame link if you want to connect fwd.mk.

I think there must be something off about the frame data when it hits as an overhead then, as close HK puts someone in hit stun for 21 frames, and HK is listed as having 16 recovery frames, which means a max advantage of +5 … Would someone care to correct my brain please ? I’m sure Strider knows what he’s talking about, so that just leaves me to think I have no idea what I’m talking about

[Strider_Hyriu]

the frame data is for close hk… the first part, not the OH

I’ll make a shitty quality video just to demonstrates this

[Samurai_Drew]

Another one, this can probably go in the retarded combos but whatever, lol.

Change of direction second hit LOW > FADC > st.hp

So, the full retarded combo could be : CoD LOW > FADC > st.hp > CoD > FADC > cr.HP > Ultra.

Yay for retarded combos

[jaunty]

[[Retarded Combos]]
c.fp (both hits) xx EX wheel kick - 290 damage. also known as the PAINBOW

More like awesome combos.

Also has anybody done any testing with cl.HPxxEX Wheel? It seems too good to be true.

[Ronin1183]

cl. hpxxEX wheel kick afaik only works on the big guys eg. Sagat, Zangief it whiffs on avg sized characters…

Edit: Upon further research it hits on most characters if the first hit of cl. fp hits at max range.

[System_1]

I love this list. I especially like the standing roundhouse combos. Thanks for posting!

[Ronin1183]

I took the liberty to compile the stun. Edit: Done.

[[Bread and Butters]]
c.mp xx strong CoD - 207 damage, 225 stun
c.mp xx strong CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 305 damage, 410 stun
c.mp xx strong CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 525 damage
s.fp xx fierce CoD - 222 damage, 225 stun
s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 320 damage, 410 stun
s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 540 damage
f+mk, s.fp xx fierce CoD - 280 damage, 305 stun
f+mk, s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 365 damage, 465 stun
f+mk, s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 545 damage
c.fp xx falling sky - 270 damage, 350 stun
level 3 focus, c.fp xx falling sky - 340 damage, 460 stun

[[Jump Ins]]
j.fp, f+mk, s.fp, fierce CoD - 346 damage, 470 stun
j.fp, f+mk, s.fp, fierce CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 418 damage, 605 stun
j.fp, f+mk, s.fp, fierce CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 557 damage
j.fp, c.mp, strong CoD - 286 damage, 405 stun
j.fp, c.mp, strong CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 371 damage, 565 stun
j.fp, c.mp, strong CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 551 damage
j.fp, s.fp, fierce CoD - 300 damage, 405 stun
j.fp, s.fp, fierce CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 375 damage, 565 stun
j.fp, s.fp, fierce CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 552 damage
j.fp, s.mp, strong CoD - 266 damage, 355 stun
j.fp, s.mp, strong CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 351 damage, 515 stun
j.fp, s.mp, strong CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 531 damage
j.fp, c.fp xx falling sky - 338 damage, 510 stun
j.fp, c.fp, ultra - 598 damage
j.fp, c.rh - 200 damage, 400 stun

Add 10 damage if you jump in with roundhouse

[[Cross Ups]]
j.mk, s.fp, fierce CoD - 270 damage, 305 stun
j.mk, s.fp, fierce CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 355 damage, 465 stun
j.mk, s.fp, fierce CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 535 damage
j.mk, c.mp, strong CoD - 256 damage, 305 stun
j.mk, c.mp, strong CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 341 damage, 465 stun
j.mk, c.mp, strong CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 521 damage
j.mk, s.mp, jab CoD - 232 damage, 255 stun
j.mk, s.mp, strong CoD - 236 damage (doesn’t always work), 255 stun
j.mk, s.mp, jab CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 321 damage, 415 stun

[[Hit Confirms]]
c.lp, s.fp xx fierce CoD - 230 damage, 255 stun
c.lp, s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 315 damage, 415 stun
c.lp, s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 495 damage
c.lk, s.fp xx fierce CoD - 220 damage, 255 stun
c.lk, s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 305 damage, 415 stun
c.lk, s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 485 damage
c.lp, s.mp xx strong CoD - 196 damage, 205 stun
c.lp, s.mp xx strong CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 277 damage, 365 stun
c.lp, s.mp xx strong CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 461 damage

[[Link Combos]]
c.lp, s.rh - 130 damage, 200 stun
c.lk, c.lp, c.lp, c.lp, s.lk - 119 damage, 205 stun
c.lk, c.lp, c.lp, s.mp - 130 damage, 210 stun
c.lk, c.lp, c.lp, s.lp, s.mp - 143 damage, 235 stun. Only works on wide characters.
c.lp, c.lp, c.lk, s.lp, s.lk - 121 damage, 205 stun

[[Situational Combos]]
c.lk. c.lp, s.mp (close) - 114 damage, 180 stun. Generally only works on crouching characters
c.lk. c.lp, s.mp (close) xx strong CoD - 189 damage, 230 stun. Generally only works on crouching characters

[[Counter Hit Combos]]
c.mp, s.mp - 168 damage, 225 stun. Counter hit only.
c.lp, c.mp xx strong CoD - 219 damage, 268 stun. Counter hit only.
c.lp, c.mp xx strong CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 309 damage, 428 stun. Counter hit only.
c.lp, c.mp xx strong CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 493 damage. Counter hit only.
c.lp, f+mk, s.fp xx fierce CoD - 234 damage, 333 stun. Counter hit only.
c.lp, f+mk, s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 356 damage, 553 stun. Counter hit only.
c.lp, f+mk, s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 486 damage. Counter hit only.
f+mk, c.fp, ultra - 598 damage. Counter hit only.
f+mk, c.fp xx fierce CoD - 290 damage, 330 stun. Counter hit only.
f+mk, s.mp xx strong CoD - 266 damage, 280 stun. Counter hit only.

[[Standing Roundhouse Combos]]
s.rh overhead, s.lk - 70 damage, 100 stun
s.rh overhead, s.mp - 110 damage, 150 stun

These only work when the kick hits as an overhead counter hit or very meaty
s.rh, c.mp xx strong CoD - 224 damage, 268 stun
s.rh, c.mp xx strong CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 309 damage, 428 stun
s.rh, c.mp xx strong CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 489 damage
s.rh, f+mk, s.fp xx fierce CoD - 282 damage, 333 stun
s.rh, f+mk, s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 356 damage, 468 stun
s.rh, f+mk, s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 495 damage

[[Retarded Combos]]
f+mk, f+mk, s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 418 damage, 530 stun. Counter hit only.
s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC f+mk, s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC c.fp, ultra - 502 damage
s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC f+mk, s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 348 damage, 485 stun
s.fp xx fierce coD FADC s.fp xx fierce CoD FADC c.fp xx falling sky - 378 damage, 455 stun
s.fp (first hit only) xx EX wheel kick - 260 damage, 300 stun
c.fp (first hit only) xx EX wheel kick - 250 damage, 300 stun
c.fp (both hits) xx EX wheel kick - 290 damage, 350 stun. also known as the PAINBOW

[AhDee1023]

Thanks Sakeido for this great post,
I will practice these combos in training room,
Hopefully use them in fights!

[Samurai_Drew]

Oh lord, 605 stun. That must be one of the heaviest hitting combos in the game o_O

[Ryan2df]

Here’s a overhead combo you should add to the list

OH -> st.lp -> fwd.mk -> st.fp -> CoD

Really usefull combo that works on most of the cast and it doesn’t have to land as a counterhit either.

godlike. Is that 3 one frames in one combo?

[sakeido]

godlike. Is that 3 one frames in one combo?

yup
it is an extremely difficult combo :lol:

[Ryan2df]

yup
it is an extremely difficult combo :lol:

I’m gonna mess with this in training later, if i can hit it 50% ill start attempting it. If not OH - S.strong is solid enough

[Samurai_Drew]

Not sure if this is useful or not, but jump in lp, jump in lk, and the neutral versions too combo into St.fp

But yeah, i think they have to be deep. Any use or not?

[sakeido]

there is some use, jump in jab stuffs some anti-airs and neutral jump short is good in certain situations.
I also came up with some more counterhit combos last night that should not be possible… will post em up tonight

[resres]

So did that video of the OH combo ever get made?

I also can’t nail the step kick during the combo. =/

[HFX]

Bump

[Natty]

How comes the overhead CH combos only work on crouchers?

(Although most overhead hits will be on crouchers I’m just wondering)

[HFX]

that move only becomes an overhead vs crouching opponents, if they are standing, close st.hk will come out instead(diff animation)

[Majic]

How comes the overhead CH combos only work on crouchers?

(Although most overhead hits will be on crouchers I’m just wondering)

hfz I believe it’s two hits within the same animation.

Natty; the non over head hits first and then we have to wait for the rest of the animation to finish + recovery frames.

With the over head it hits later in the animation so we’re waiting for less animation to finish + recovery frames.

So with the standard close hard kick we lose our window of hit stun, waiting for the animation to finish + recovery frames, to make the combo.

Btw if I could hit this combo OH -> st.lp -> fwd.mk -> st.fp -> CoD with any kind of reliability it would render the balrog matchup into shit pie.
Unfortunately my old man hands just make me eat crouching jab.