The proper answer is ‘no I’m not him, don’t make accusations you can’t back up!’
If you admit to that, you’re giving any half-assed mod who wants to just shut you up a clear excuse to ban you and nuke all your posts without question.
What happened to all that shit about you guys being so hardcore and how “if ya wanna be in this community ya gotta have a thick skin”
Buck up bitch.
Im glad you put this out there because this is how alot of people, if not most, seem to feel
Both are gender specific and can be construed as insulting, intimidating, oppressive, etc…
The only difference I can see, is that Aris seemed to actually just be trying to be funny and took it way over the edge of acceptability (Im not defending him at all). There really didnt seem to be any maliciousness behind it, just alot of bonehead decisions being made on his part, with the object of the attention apparently laughing along with it. Rather than an insulting, attacking edge, it actually had a creepy, unwanted flirty feel to it (which is prob why others who arent known for being overbearing jerks were actually laughing and joining along in with it). Now the comment above that you quote as one example you can defend personally (a comment which is apparently not an example of “[someone] not acting like a grown ass man”), actually seems like the type of remark with no intention other than to single out, attack, intimidate and domineer someone who is different.
So, is it the creepy/flirty vibe itself that makes it unacceptable? Because you can cultivate a creepy/flirty vibe by doing really innocuous and non-misogynistic actions. Ive seen this also play its course in the FG scene, and it really only makes onlookers cringe and makes a fool of the flirt. Nobody’s really offended, it is harmless per se.
The only thing you are doing with your thread and your opinion (which seems hypocritical and verging on reprehensible) is further muddying the waters.
Maybe you should publish a rubric.
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This shit is getting ridiculous.
These “big” gaming sites are bullying us now into submission to get us to act the way they want us to. Sure we’re rough around the edges, but blasting us because we each individually deal with and cope with a situation differently and pressuring people to punish each other by pointing out how stupid the world is by saying “he’s one of you, you’re all the same” is bullshit.
What’s next? Blasting Ricky for his fashion and making a dress code?
They won’t be satisfied. Ever.
I like your post OP, but there’s a few things I’d like to point out, strictly pointing out facts and not trying to expose anyone or anything.
Quite awhile ago, SRK posters used to actively thrash on people that were different (transgendered) and basically drove the person off the site, and pretty much even out of the community. This is something that actually did happen in this community and older posters can prove this if necessary. But these same people also created a book of memoirs and signatures to a very respected poster of the past (r.i.p. Mummy-B). These are also some of the people who used to throw people in a disgusting pool as a ritual at a now-defunct Golfland. But these are the very same people that gathered money to send the winning team to SBO so they could compete. We’ve had our ups and downs before and we will always have them.
Since people are comparing us to Starcraft, I can bring up a lot of stuff they’ve done that has been good and bad.
Korean Brood War player Savior, probably known as one of the greatest players of his time, was involved in a match fixing scandal that destroyed his career and other pro players too (if you want more information look on TL wiki). When Starcraft 2 was going to be released retail, Brood War ex-pro Day9 had a launch event, and many members of the community stepped up to help the event come to full blossom. Starcraft 2 Pro player Destiny (yeah you can say he’s not pro whatever, but hes sponsored) actively defends his usage of racial slurs and explicit language on his streams and shows he is on. Yet we don’t have the image that Starcraft 2 players are all racist people who speak their mind, right?
Going back to Day9, he used to have absurd posts on Team Liquid (such as masturbating in an airplane bathroom, a classic) and he has the infamous casted match of Chill vs Combat-Ex immortalized on the internet, so we can always say that you know, people change over time, so Jared can’t possibly be a bad persion because of his older posts, since you know Starcraft 2 players don’t hold Day9 to his older whacky posts and people change right? Oh whoops, Day9 never talked shit about a person’s gender or sexual orientation (Jared has literally called Ricky a bad person because he was gay and eccentric) and Day9 doesn’t continuously talk shit about his own community and he always has a positive outlook on everything (except his relationship problems and Terran mules I guess) and try and lure negative attention to his community and be like “Why can’t x community be like y community”
How much of this is really?
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Some people find offensive humor to be offensive. :wow:
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A large crowd of young males unavoidably contains some idiots. :wow:
I have a very simple mind…this seems like a complex problem…I am not reading this thread anymore. 
Seriously?
Putting women in their own little exhibition cage isn’t progressive at all.
It’s just a different form of the same discrimination you’re arguing about.
I think the creepy/flirty vibe is something that should be discouraged, but is also kind of inevitable. We’re dealing with gamers here, after all 
What’s not acceptable is the outright angry hostility to anything without a dick.
PS: I think Aris is just one of those guys whose social filters are just ‘broken’. From everything he’s said he has no idea what’s wrong with what happened, or of what is/isn’t appropriate.
Edit@factory: It was about encouraging women to take part in the scene, and encouraging them to enter the tourneys. I’d agree it was a little shortsighted of them to not see the inevitable “ARGHHHH! AFFIRMATIVE ACTION!” response from the dicktards, but I can also see how it made sense on paper as a way to encourage women to show up.
The way sexual harassment works is if somebody says anything that offends within earshot of you and it does, then it is sexual harassment. My example was only to illustrate that even women could be made fun of because their women but it would still fall in line with how insults work on the site.
But if you mention that you heard that men get their nipples pierced and somebody gets offended by this when they were standing 20 feet away from the conversation and it was not directed at them, it can be considered sexual harassment.
The fun don’t stop.
Y’all realize you’re feeding the bad press by denying the problem right?
It’s really really obvious to anyone who’s not committed to defending the community.
Hahaha, they’re criticizing him on this issue for porn?
That’s just absurd.
I dint intend to ask for a rubric for what constitutes sexual harassment, I asked for a rubric of what you would consider acceptable behavior. It seems clear (“Hey yo, your ass is more pancake than anything IHOP could put together”) that you dont consider sexual harassment a problem (or not acting like a grown man)
Why in the hell do people who just started noticing FGC (For something drama-ridden) allowed to dictate who or who not to let commentate, ETR/Marn now banned from commentating on level | up feels like a sell-out to me .
Its going to be funny when they start watching EC streams and hear the N word once, I’m already waiting for the 50000 articles about racism in the FGC .
Its like having a 14 year old walk up to sundance and tell him how to run MLG .
When it comes to talking shit a lot of the insults used on SRK are very superficially based. this is why for some instances it’ll be a really hard stretch to say the pancake comment was meant as harassment. The problem lies in that it very much doesn’t matter what speaker meant but in how it was received. A lot of what could be misconstrued as harassment by outsiders could many times just be people misunderstanding aspects of the culture when it comes to some of the ways it communicates. I am not saying harassment doesn’t happen in the community. But the article is about a lot of us who are being lumped together and forced into some negative light. In all honesty this is just one more problem for us to solve for ourselves so we can keep going forward as we have been for a number of years.
Seriously, you realize the Aris thing is a whole 'nother level than that, right? From what I’ve seen none of the articles are even complaining about that stuff.
Levelup has always liked bland safe commentary though, that’s hardly a surprise that they’d take the step to censoring.
That’s absolute nonsense! Should the Olympics just get rid of women’s sports, too? Last time I checked, feminists wanted legal, social and economic equality, not the abolition of the WNBA. Also, it’s not just about the potential competition levels, which do vary quite a bit more in those sorts of ‘physical’ sports than they do in fighting games, where women can perform at just as high levels as men. It’s also about creating spaces that women can feel safe in, where they can play and not have to be subject to exactly the kind of garbage I’m reading frequently in this thread, for example. The Evo women’s event was handled well because the participants had to play in the main tournament too, shame it didn’t come back.
So I hadn’t heard of any of this, and my first reaction is overwhelming indifference.
Bad habits die hard.
With enough time, and a couple of well known champions, even girls will be accepted in the video game community.
Shrug it off and move on.
haha the kotaku article.
“Rockafeller has indeed been capturing accolades on Twitter and around the web for his behavior on Cross Assault. Unfortunately, the other half of accolades aimed at him seem to come fromreaders who are thankful for the stream of pornographic nude images (all of women) he sharedon his Tumblr account [NSFW] this week.”
guys liking women’s bodies completely undoes anything nice you do for women. you can’t be a nice guy and think women are sexy.
give me a fucking break this whole thing is such a load of shit.
The messages matter in how they will be received. Indeed. This is a lesson in accountability (real life; not cyberspace anonymity or mob mentality groupthink). Which is part of growing up. I hope heads cant handle it.
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