A Litany of Hate: In Defense of the FGC

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I noticed one thing no one is stating or doing

Finding a solution.

Sure the cannons are speaking on what we should do by returning to our ‘roots’ but yet we’ve not come up with something to show we are a community that comes to a resolve. People sit and post an opinion on things yet never a how to fix the situation.

Do we have bad apples… yes. Why… cause we allowed it as we began to grow. We never set a tone in this community. Everyone wanted to become a personality that was known OUTSIDE of core game play mechanics. Forget that you can play/still play games at a high level that the art of competition is plentiful but more for the audience that we have even labeled ‘stream monsters’…

The FGC as a whole is confused. I look at tweets and post and I see people REALLY don’t know this or even their own community as a whole. Lets sit back and evaluate and understand something:

WE DO NOT GET AS BASHING/HARDCORE AS YOU THINK…

Have you been to a tournament outside of your LOCAL standing?? Ok lets take NEC as a example. At such a mid major people are on their best behavior with a few moments of ‘shouting’…“amping” a situation. Sure you might have your over the top win gestures post battle (that ONLY seem to become more an more since the coming of SF4) but over all its smooth sailing. Over the course of 12 years I have not seen the pop off people try to make it seem like. The hype use to extend to a persons play style (rush that shyt down) then to a almost odds hype (who you got… i got justin for 10) an finally you got the amping the fight as it flows play by play (omg he so gdlk… chuck that plasma). Never do you see the harsh environment every tries to make it out to be. I have seen women walk around with no problem not even ‘cat calls’. Tell me outside of mechanical issues when has a stream been disrupted due to crowd (don’t try to use local issues…ie noel brown situation). Tell me when has a organizer had to reprimand a player or remove him cause he/she is acting up? Essentially our tournaments are set in a situation where the “outside” world can watch… we do be on our pg-13 behavior…

WE HAVE STROKED OUR EGO DUE TO THE POPULARITY…

Tell me we haven’t. You have someone at every tournament interviewing you… you have streams… you have now become a celebrity in a sense. How many documentaries/almost documentaries/trailers have you seen since SF4. People are watching and instead of learning to play an getting a understanding why we play. An in turn our labeled ‘top players’ have fed into it. So much that even they have forgot when to play the role and when bring yourself back down. The jago/mike ross thing was staged and you knew it from the jump… Again if you KNOW this community whenever there was pure I don’t like you rivalry there was no playing on a game either one really couldnt play. There was matches on a game both knew. The actions of disliking each other was due to their values of GAMEPLAY N ATTTITUDE TOWARD THE GAME. It was genuine to the point their parties or crews would not even interact like that. Both of these young men SHOULD now understand that. A mistake due to blindness of trying to use the popularity to gain a higher status in turn trying to make revenue… an since everyone n their momma has a stream now its no longer i trying to learn… its im trying to make a name via the numbers…

“…yo its such n such man im callin in to comment… how many people you got on stream??”

^^^does it matter seriously??

“… yo we gotta feed the stream monsters”

^^ theyre your audience… not monsters. you give them such a title they will act like it and as you see will be your downfall, due to the fact youre too busy trying to maintain status of whom you are an cater to their crys trying to ‘be cool’.

STOP SHOUTING SOMETHING YOU HAVE NO TRUE IDEA ABOUT…

ESPORTS!!! shutup. Seriously. I hear it but yet I don’t think ANYONE of a tournament caliber player or supporter really understands the meaning. The moment we are pointed out for the behavior of one of our own suddenly its a bash of

“omg esports killed the community…”

No it didn’t. People who hold standards in the community would shout it out at every lil moment they could like it was a gang call. Crying to want to be a part of something that can truly change the community YET don’t understand the principles that come with title. You know you have to be on your best behavior. You know you have to articulate yourself on stream. Its why you see commentators wearing shirts and ties… its why you see venues change to a more ‘friendly/accommodating’ environment… you want Esports act like you want by presenting the correct attention. IF you don’t want to adjust yourself to that then come up with something where YOU CONTROL EVERYTHING. Till then don’t sit an be shocked when a issue occurs and multiple outside entities make comment on it blindly… sport players get comments from news teams that dont even deal with sports like that sooooo

ARIS… MIRANDA… ARTURO… MIKE… JAGO… MARN….

They are our brothers an sisters in this community. Stop bashing them. Instead set a tone/example for them. Aris made a mistake and forgot where he was and failed to put on his “professional” mode. Miranda has been hurt but she doesn’t hate US she simply had a issue with ONE guy. Leave her be. I know everyone jumped on her or called her out for ‘waiting so long’ but it only showed me that many of the people that said such a thing don’t deal with women nor really have a girlfriend (not saying you cant or in that nature). Otherwise you know women let shyt ride for a hot second then if you continue they will then speak up. Again let her breath. We as a community NEVER make women feel uncomfortable at a tourney. Sherry was a WB an enjoyed herself an hung with us after it day one an partied and cracked jokes and drank. Never was it “omg these guys are making me feel uncomfortable”… it never has been

Arturo let something slip past him. I can say this…he doesnt know how to turn that phone off. Hear me out. He made a mistake for simply recording but I have sat next to arturo an watched him lay that phone down and NOT realize its still on. If you’re a viewer go back to Winter Brawl and you can hear him, myself, and damdai talking while playing Super Turbo. I said you may want to turn off your stream yo youre killing your battery. His reaction that it was still on was priceless cause he was knee deep into what he was doing (playing damdai). Many don’t want to say it but Arturo does lose focus a lot of times… hell even in conversation he can. Not as a diss but just pointing out something. The issue arose when someone took the stream an posted it up. Shyt happens. We move on.

Marn is not a baby. Marn is a young man whom is very vocal… you cant get mad at him now. We know whom he is and we allowed more to unfold (via WNF) when normal commentators should have been on their job. He is part of our community and if you speak with him he will be honest. He may joke a lot but if you ask him to be serious he will be serious. Im saddened that Keits would point him out an say HE is banned from the mic. Essentially singling out Marn when there were other voices included. A simple solution should have been we have commentators no one else is allowed on the mic. Now you have more drama and words thrown back and forth all while people online via social media is enjoying the issues that are occurring in our community

SOLUTIONS…SUGGESTIONS…

  • stop calling your audience stream monsters and stop asking them for suggestions. This definitely goes for commentators at major tournaments. They obviously couldnt make it to witness matches so give them matches. Stop trying to cater an trying TOO hard to be cool.

  • for those that were battling over stream viewership or crying over someone stealing your ideas/swag…stop. If anything come together. Create something that can be comparable to a channel line up…

  • tournament organizers don’t allow just anyone on the mic cause your cool with them. we have a eye on us now. an probably have been for a while. you have to know who can give a good presentation without going overboard or touching on sensitive situations.

  • we as a community have to set a tone. we are all cool so please kill me with the sudden issues with each other. we have drank together… talked… joked… etc dont try to act like you have a issue about someone now. when the harassment situation an the arturo situation happened suddenly everyone had a issue knowing damn well you don’t… everyone wants attention for the wrong reasons.

  • support your area. simple and plain… regardless if we do or do not get on a ‘higher level’ as far as the scene. we have survived this long by holding it down and supporting our own. When the business mode/sales numbers level off, the cameras/reports slowly ease away and the good from the casual is truly separated we have nothing but ourselves.

  • STOP bashing people for having an opinion. Remember you cried for Esports… this is part of the game. Just like sports athletes get in trouble an suddenly you hear them say “oh but they never look at my good stuff… i do charity…”. Its part of the game. Its how we move forward from this moment to regain ourselves an that being is NOT EVEN FOCUSING ON THOSE THAT HAVE A NEGATIVE VIEW ON US.… the more you play the more you get BAITED… jeez this is a fighting game community. you should know the meaning outside of your SF/Tekken/Blaze/whatever manual come on fam.

I can keep going but I think WE need to keep putting out solutions to get us back on track an actually act upon them. Just some of my thought cause the years i have put into this community this is tiresome cause its continuing on and on and we are not acting upon making an immediate change.

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I’d love to see someone argue against what Koop just said.

(It’s not possible, dont try.)

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so basically every top player or wanna be top player. I agree.
Which is why the FGC is in such a fucking mess.

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Ryan Hart still plays for fun, He dont give a damn about sponsors son

Ryan <3

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You do know Ryan Hart has been sponsored basically his entire Fighting Game “Career”, right?

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its real simple no live streams…they film take there footage back to the hotel and edit and put together a pro show if they want a pro style…and it get released the next day for viewing

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I just think that the only people that should be voicing their opinions are the ones that have reason to.
I see a lot of opinions, in this thread, on stream, and everywhere that have no bearing on anything, because the people making such claims aren’t part of any scene. They just have an opinion they feel they want to voice on the way things should be. It would be like a bunch of people who have never been to a basketball game telling Madison Square Garden what food to serve at Knicks games…

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Yes and as you can see how many on his shirts, but he makes it clear and vocal on the problems of beng sponsored and what they want from yur soul and inplace he gained more sponsors and can do as he wants,he basically put them on blast and gained more sponsors for it

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This is a pretty long thread so I didn’t read all the post yet. But has anyone talked about SRK pulling their sponsorship and EVO points from WNF?

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Fantastic. Would love to see Pertho edit this and amend it to his post, it definitely doesn’t deserve to be buried 9 pages deep.

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One thing I’d like to see is stream chat moderation. Get rid of all the fucking trolls. Make people pay a couple of buck for an account or something and watch the level of bigotry decline.

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And he still says with the nascar style shirt on loaded with ads that too many people are no longer playing for the fun of it and he attributes his ability to having a genuine love of the game. Even ask Justin Wong, he’ll just tell you he loves video games.

You know both of them would still be around if the money disappeared because they were both here when it wasn’t.

If the FGC is the great community that we all believe it is, the community that houses traveling players we’ve never met, the community that can get together for a good cause and help those that need it, then we should we act like it. Those articles on the front were suppose to rub you the wrong way, put your money where your mouth is, prove that isn’t us, prove how wrong they are.

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What an overreaction. I don’t think we the stream monsters are blowing this out of proportion; it’s the powers-that-be who are taking this to the next level. I can’t help but feel like this knee jerk reaction is exactly what “eSports sports sports” (lol) hoped to get. Pulling SRK support for LU in particular seems extremely harsh. And certain people tweeting about perma mic banning people doesn’t seem all that mature to me. It’s all rather disappointing. #FreeMarn

Also, this whole Miranda thing is a little silly. She wasn’t crying about sexual harassment when she was talking about di*ks being ok and discussing the relative sizes of certain people’s genitalia. I found that just as offensive as anything Aris said. I don’t think I’ve ever heard Sherry say anything of the sort during commentary. This, coupled with her just giving up, really destroys Miranda’s credibility in my eyes.
What Aris said was not cool; many of us would never speak to a woman like that. However, an adult should be able to stand up for themselves. If she complained to Aris and he didn’t stop, I’m sure he’d have stopped if Capcom told him to watch it. There’s no reason to cry and play the victim in this situation, especially when you KNOW the guy is joking. People definitely, especially when they’re the mic, need to filter a lot better though; that’s just part of growing up lol.

I, like many people here, was completely new to FGs when I started SF4 and have never been to a tournament. However, I’ll definitely go if/when I get the opportunity; not only to compete but to interact with the community (and when I scrub it up, I expect to be called out on it XD ). There’s something that draws people to this community and I’m willing to bet there are several people who’ve never been to any event but felt close enough to help out the very people Pertho mentions in his post.

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After reading koop’s post…fuck this talkin shit time for some action.

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I have this integrity thing about my posts where I don’t edit anything unless for small grammatical errors. I do this for two things: I’m not going to fast edit something I wrote to get all big brother on posts that quote me and because there will be a lot of people that clicked the like button before the new stuff went in. So I can be all like "write something somewhat good, then edit and put “Pertho should be chairman of the board and have a weekly column and if he goes to evo we should erect him an altar of ST cabs, Mexican coke bottles and porn.” What people decided to agree to is what’s already there. Fucking ethics stuff. SMH. I’m such a damn pussy.

While his posts are always on point, the point of mine is to defend us against some of the nonsense. The stuff with Aris/ Miranda and then Marn acting the fool and all the other shit are internal issues within our community. The problem is that we have a lot of outsiders that don’t know us and don’t really want to know us. So when all this went down, ALL of it came under attack unfairly. That’s why they crucified the best of us; because they threw a bunch of bullshit labels at our community without really knowing about it.

I like the post a lot; it should probably be its own thread so it can get some proper attention. Because all issues in the community have been handled in house. This one would’ve also been handled in house had we not had a bunch of people blow it up across the internet. They threw all of this at our faces before we even had a chance to get caught up on what actually happen. Had either Ponder or Inkblot been shown the video, you would’ve seen Aris get put on blast just the same. The difference is that we would’ve been able to handle ours on our own.

The proponents of the whole eSports and lets make sure Justin Wong can make a living just playing fighting games and all that other shit really need to reconsider how much power the community will had to hand over to get there. Because the amount of power that gets handed over will be really hard to get back.

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That’s why we have to get to that point on our own so we won’t have to hand over the majority of our power. Instead of going to something with an established set up and have them control our fate, we establish our own shit and have them knocking on our door to come there. We’re at the point where they want to take it off our hands and trying to entice us, we need to get to the point where they’re begging us to be at their events.

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You didn’t read anything in this thread if you are still blaming SuperYan at all. She was the victim, period. She was not playing victim, she was the victim. I don’t know why this is so hard for people to comprehend. Joking or not, it was bad and she was not in the wrong at all.

To your point however, she’s getting over it and even outright tweeted it. In her tweet she talks about how she realized that it was the FGC that not only shat on her (such as yourself for saying she is playing a victim) but also the same FGC that brought her up and was positive, like many of her close friends and even some “white knights” as people like to throw around that term in this thread.

After sitting back for a few pages I think the idea of what to do is getting clear and Koop summed it up quite well. We need to start changing things in such a way where we don’t change who we are while “Keeping it Classy”. Keep your dumb racist sexist remarks off stream and to yourself.

Also if anyone has been listening to sp00ky this morning on his stream at Final Round he mentioned that he will keep doing what hes doing no matter what. He reiterates that he has always tried to keep it classy but admits he sometimes slips and says he is going to try to improve himself without changing himself. I believe he said something along the lines of “I’ll keep doing what I’m doing, and I’ll be straight up and go to the EVO crew and say ‘If you need me, I’m here, if not then that’s that’” That’s a good mentality to have and as long as we can change for the better, we don’t have to lose who we are in the long run.

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If you can’t laugh at Marn’s commentary you have no soul.

Can you also not laugh at black comedians when they drop the ‘N’ word (nigger)?

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Who gives a fuck. Kotaku could write about what an awful human being I am and post it on their front page every day. Fuck em.

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