I want to see dudly in SF4 dash.
and capcom needs to stop being dumb and keep making games. SF4 proves there is a demand for it.
just work really hard on the balence and through in some great modes and one player stuff, better onlin, plenty of characters and everyone will be happy.
Hater.
On topic, who in here really well and truly thinks Capcom gives a flying psychotic fuck what we want in the next iteration of SF4?
Show of hands?
Everyone with a raised hand can kindly get the fuck off of SRK now; k thanx, bye.
I just don’t get how he stated he thought he created the perfect game with SF3. I love the style and characters of 3, but it’s pretty clear the game isn’t really balanced with only a few super viable characters. SF4 has much more diversity in that respect.
I’m not saying that he is or should be considered top tier in SF4. We all know who gets those spots (Akuma, Ryu, Sagat are probably undisputed top tier).
Its just that even if we agree he is solid Mid-Tier…you still don’t see people playing him nearly as much as I think you should. Most of the other mid tier characters are fairly well represented at the tourneys I have been going to this year…but you hardly see Dictator players anywhere.
The exception is my buddy Mike, who took 5th at Crossed Fists using only Dictator…and I’m excited to see how he does at Seasons Beatings in October. He was a 3s tourney player and has the chops to really use Dictator to his potential.
My comment was really intended to highlight the fact that despite the fact that Dictator has great tools, no really horrible matchups, answers for damn near every situation, AND is flexible enough to be played in many different styles (he can runaway, rushdown, poke, play footsies, evade, etc…)…it just seems like people are overlooking him.
This is all just my opinion and if its not obvious, I am not a high skill player yet. I’m still getting my ass kicked at regionals, but I’m working really hard to become a solid tourney player.
If any of this is wrong, its my fault and I encourage you to correct me where you feel I am wrong here.
d’ fuck do you mean by hater? i’m saying i’ll be satisfied for the rest of my sf days because of 3s, because it has the potential to hold my interest and entertainment for as long as i’ll give a fuck about fighting games, cuz it’s fucking amazing and genious.
i play sf4 too but… it’s kinda an insult to the dedicated sf fan when compared to 3s.
fuck you and your 03 membership, think your shit don’t stink? suck my cock
It really helps to spell the word “genius” correctly when pronouncing something as a work of genius.
:nunchuck:
let’s not be anal
Your wails of despair will earn you no sympathy today!
I don’t really trust Capcom to do anything right for their competitive scene. The next SF4 will probably just have new ultras, new characters & stages, still have the horrible button configure screen, and some good & bad balance changes. Probably no mechanic changes… No balance patches. etc. They’re not like Blizzard…
Yea I have no faith. They said 3s is the ultimate SF in balance and overall the ultimate SF! Clearly Ono has no idea what he’s talking about.
I love 3s for what is but if you knew some history (SF2WW-ST) you would know 3s is kinda an insult to what SF players expeced (and it’s not about characters).
That seriously hurts my feelings.
Parabellum I’d just like you to explain the tools…that’s all. I don’t feel like reading the Dictator thread up and down. Even then from what I’ve browsed through in the thread and seen on the videos and in person…I don’t like Dic for being a character with GREAT GREAT tools. He has some nice normals but other than that…everything else is bland mix up wise or low damage. I just see no point in using Dictator over like a majority of the rest of the cast other than the fact that “Dic is my man yo!” He doesn’t seem to bring anything unique to the table that most of the other cast already does. He’s just lost in the struggle for me (and apparently a lot of other competitive players).
Really though you don’t have to be top tier to have GREAT GREAT stuff. Like I think Rufus has GREAT GREAT stuff but he’s not top either. Either way he has unique things to him that he brings to the table that makes him a force against almost all of the cast despite not being top.
I think the main issue is that there are a lot of “solid mid tiers” in SFIV but if you were to tier the solid mid tiers he would be low tier easy. When you have too many characters filling the same void people drop the ones who’s tools aren’t as variable or damaging. Even if Dictator can be played a bunch of different ways none of them lead to big damage or give him guaranteed opportunities to win. He always has to work hard as balls to comeback from a deficit and that’s not good enough for FADC Ultra Fighter IV. IMO Dictator is just there and he’s not really doing much else other than being there to use IMO when u dissect him as a character.
Hell…I like the character in your avatar better in SFIV than I do Dic.
“Genious” suits 3S.
Carry on. 
I think he was comparing console game sales to console game sales, which is a fair comparison.
If you wanted the full picture of total "home version (aka excluding arcade) sales, you would have to factor in the PC version sales, and a lot if not most of those sales were from game distribution services like Steam. Steam just had a sale on SF4 for 50%, surely a lot of copies were sold then.
this thread sucks. all it’s done is inspire hate.
:china: i have a feeling he will be in the next one.
i know its not going to happen but i’d love eagle to come back. if they don’t buff blanka i’m branching out.
lol sorry, but my point is that they’re both ultimately focused on footsies (Though Dictator can adapt much better than Claw, at least).
Also, I second having Eagle in the next one. I’d personally like Maki, but there’s too many similarities between her and Fuerte.
No more 3ssssssssssssssss 
:sad:
Butt Elena will be a good idea for dash 
Sure, I totally see what you are saying. I’ll do my best to try and outline why I feel Dictator is really great, but kinda overlooked.
Strengths:
His short scissor kick is safe. This leads to him having a good scissor kick lockdown game that can be started off of footsies. This can be used to drive opponents into the corner, and once Dic has you in the corner, its bad…unless you have a great corner escape plan like Seth.
He, as you mentioned, has an array of great normals that work in a very universal manner. Unlike Chun…his normals are not super situationally dependent, nor are most of them subject to “this whiffs on the following list of characters” restrictions. These normals would be his standing fierce, crouching fierce, jump fierce, jumping medium punch juggle, standing forward, and standing roundhouse. His standing roundhouse needs special mention, since its easily one of the best long range poke in the game, AND its an amazing universal anti-air that works on both far jumps, AND deep close jumps. Properly timed, it can even be used to counter deep crossup attempts. It also deals very respectable damage and stun. I also feel that his jumping fierce needs to be specifically called out for having an amazing hit box that extends really far below his body…this is not only safe to many anti air normals, but it changes the tempo of his jumping attack game because he can hit with it from higher in the air than is expected.
This is obvious, but his headstomp remains fantastic in 4. The EX version does massive damage and has superb tracking. This tool gets overused, and spammed by scrubs, but the real value of this tool is that it gives him options against characters like Sagat that can zone the ground HARD. Also, the EX version is probably his single best comeback tool, since it does sooo much damage and stuffs a tremendous amount of other attacks.
His teleport is great. Its not quite as good as Sim’s teleport in the sense that its a bit easier to punish, but its still really amazing. True, it can’t be used to get him out of the corner, but he has MORE escape tools for that. The teleport is amazing if you use it to control space and disrupt the timing of someone else’s momentum.
He has an AMAZING crossup. His jumping forward kick is one of the better crossups in the game, and it fairly easily combos into a six hit BnB that ends in a knockdown. I should also note that his jump roundhouse can be used as a VERY deep crossup against standing opponents, and the value here is that it often hits when it appears that it will whiff.
While its true that his damage output is not terribly high, he doesn’t rely on tough links to deal some of his most punishing combos. J.rh -> st.fierce -> fierce PC is (iirc) 280 damage and 250 stun and its easy as hell to land even under clutch conditions. He has at least one other 3 hit combo that deals nearly identical numbers, but I never bother since this is my go to jump in BnB. These might not matter to high level players, but they are amazing combos for people trying to learn how to win matches with Dictator.
He has solid ways to hitconfirm into his super.
He can land his ultra without needing to combo into it. Its an excellent anti air if you know the timing.
He has a great Scissor kick FADC pressure mixup game that can be quite hard to react to.
His focus attack is good and very usable.
His dashes are quick and provide him with great ways to evade and control spacing.
He has some decent escape tools if he is put under pressure. These include his crouch roundhouse slide, which is an excellent counter crossup tool when used to slide under a jumping opponent; and his EX Devil’s Reverse. I already mentioned his teleport, but where the EX DR really shines is that it gives him a corner escape that is vital.
Weaknesses:
He doesn’t have a whole lot of comeback potential…so if he winds up at a great life disadvantage, he is flat out going to have to outplay his opponent to win that round.
He doesn’t have stupid easy combos into ultra on grounded opponents like Ryu, Boxer, or Sagat.
He has no “get off me” move (i.e. dragon punch, flash kick, etc…).
He really only has one solid way to build meter with his empty devil’s reverse. If he is in the corner, far from his opponent, this is his only meter building option and its mostly safe if used smartly.
So, I have tried to spell out why I think he is a great character, and why I feel he should be solid mid or upper mid tier.
Despite these strengths…I am really surprised I don’t see more of him in tournament play.
I disagree. There are WAY more underrated characters. Bison is high up on the tier list, no doubt about it. But his flaws severely outnumber his advantages. Sakura would probably be a better underrated character (or even Honda).
It’s not that people figure out his shenanigans. It’s that he has too many moves that are too easily punished. PC, HS, DR, are all useless at high level. ALL he does is Scissor Kick and mk/hk. You might get an opponent to fall for a mindgame every so often in a match, but if they don’t fall for it, you’re eating damage. And runaway players dominate bison too much.
I disagree (respectfully) that those tools are useless at a high level.
I know the Korean scene is nothing like the scene in Japan, but Laugh is a solid and respected player.
Here is Spidertao (a player from Taiwan) vs Laugh…note how spidertao makes the EX PC an escape tool AND effectively uses the DR to both mindgame and deal damage. In fact you see him use damn near every tool I mention in my list above:
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I’ll try to find more high level dictator stuff to view…
Ok here is some more worth watching:
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and
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That’s the thing parabellum…you list all of that stuff and you wonder and then I look at the list and go “yeah no wonder”.
There’s nothing in that list that’s really there that another character doesn’t have or have a tool that just leads to higher damage output. Yeah it’s nice that Dictator can run away from stuff and that his close ranged game has a lot of solid tools but none of them lead to big damage unless the opponent makes a huge mistake. You talk about how Dictator can connect his Ultra without comboing into it. Ok…well so can every other character in the game.
I go on the Dictator forum and I hear that connecting his Ultra cold turkey as an AA is difficult and not very practical at high level. I would have to assume that at high level play this is something that high level Dictators have down but AA ultra requires the opponent to do something really risky (jump) in the first place. You can’t force that situation easily as a Dictator player unless the opponent is at a huge health deficit. Otherwise they are going to stay grounded and continue to play footsies with a character that isn’t particularly scary even he has ultra meter.
Head stomp…I hear it’s not as good as you make it out to be and I feel the same way. From what I’ve heard the tracking on it is not particularly good outside of EX stomp and EX stomp usually requires you to be on the offensive or force a clear mistake out of the opponent to use it in the first place. It’s great if it hits but if it gets blocked or backdashed…you’re setting yourself up for big damage.
I think the main issue is that all of Dictator’s safe options are low damage and all of his high damage options require great risk or incredibly tedious amounts of setting up. If you play him super safe and can attain a health lead throughout the fight…fine. Once your opponent outguesses you your ability to take back control of the match is limited and that makes him automatically worse than a lot of the other mid tiers who are known for great comeback potential.
In SFIV dumb stuff happens and people guess on your stuff so you need to be able to have something to really bring things back and if you don’t have that people see that’s it’s not worth the effort. Especially when you don’t bring a ton to the table otherwise that the other characters don’t. Even Honda is a more viable character for bringing the round back on a health deficit (way more actually) and he has like zero options for comboing into his Ultra.
Oh and Dictator is boring to watch. :lol:
I definitely do respect the options Dictator has. He does truly have some of the best normals in the game and his focus attack is solid. If this was ST or CVS2 where that stuff was more integral to winning then that would be great. In SFIV solid footsies only takes you so far. Once meter builds up if all you have are footsies or runaway shenanigans eventually you are always going to be the one on a health deficit and then you are up against characters like Rufus, Viper, Ryu, Akuma and Sagat who have a lot of safe ways to verify big damage quickly and you are just going to lose out. So you’re poking and poking and wasting the time on the clock only to realize that you will more often than not be able to do enough damage to ever win a fight unless you are always one or 2 steps ahead of your opponent and at high level play that’s not strong enough to win consistently. You need something that will allow you to comeback even if the player is severely limiting you offensively. Since you may only get one chance to get a big comeback and you need to have options to verify that damage on that one opportunity.
It’s nice to have the ability to escape damage but in order to WIN you need to be able to DEAL damage and have many ways of dealing damage and not just running the clock and sitting on leads. Which Dic does in more of his matchups than actually working to win. He is a character that has the tools to play offensively but the low damage output his offensive opportunities usually create lead to him playing a more hit and run strategy instead of just going in and ending the round when those few opportunities arise to do so.
Maybe in the future something else may open up for Dictator but now that the game is much more figured out than it was a year ago there isn’t much else IMO for Dictator to do other than just be another character on the roster. Not a character that will really make a difference in tournaments.