none, but the time it takes to learn them varies. The time it takes to master it, years.
Mario Party, Mario Kart, and Bomberman come to mind immediately.
But in most games the skill gap is not as apparent as it is in 3S. Warcraft 3, SF4, various FPS games, these are all things I’ve observed people have an easier time getting into within the last year. 3S seems like Starcraft II, in a way. It’s really easy to show when you’re way better than someone else.
That can be said the same to almost every other game involving competition against another.
3rd Strike Online Edition wasn’t aimed at being user friendly in modern terms. Yes there was a trial mode for players who might be unfamiliar. That though unfortunately didn’t really do much to help new players. It can be applied to how the Street Fighter IV games were with its trials. You don’t really learn things like option selects and nuances of tech throws in trial mode, you look for tutorials, match videos and other crap. I did that for both 3S and SFIV; it’s just that SFIV is more active and players can find more resources easily.
When I play online in 3SOE, I sometimes deal with SFIV players. It just shows that they don’t want to learn. You don’t play Street Fighter IV like its Street Fighter The Movie.
Yes a more experienced player will likely beat a new player but it shouldn’t stop someone from learning. People can learn fast if they want to love the game.
Just as igloobob said, a balance wouldn’t affect anything, especially in the long run.
I’m still amazed that people actually believed Capcom would deliver an “arcade perfect” port after the last several games they’ve put out. If you want “arcade perfect” then buy an arcade cab and quit complaining on an internet forum about it. If more people play a non-arcade version of the game than the arcade version, then arcade perfect doesn’t make much of a difference anyway.
And I still don’t get the complaints about netcode. Sure it’s going to be different from offline, that’s a given. If you bought 3SO expecting online to be the same as offline, then you’re stupid and shouldn’t be allowed to have any money in the first place because you’re not able to make purchases informed by rational thought anyway. I played the game for about 10-12 hours on my brother’s DSL connection and could count on one hand the number of games with lag/rollback. And I was playing people with orange pings. It’s at least as good as SF4’s netcode.
The REAL reason 3SO is important is because now, there’s a way to play the game on a next-gen console. Tournament organizers don’t have to lug a PS2 along if they want to hold a tourney for it. The game can be played alongside SF4, Marvel 3, BlazBlue, or any other next gen fighter without having to change around any setups, and with the release of the game being when it was, there’s a chance Third Strike could even come back to EVO this year. I think some of you guys just expect way too much.
theres nothing specifically hard about 3s. nothing
everything people say about 3s can be applied to 4. i lose terribly in 4 because i don’t know the right punish for the right situation, what will trade, how things hit, what juggles, etc. you can’t be ignorant about something and claim it’s the games fault. it’s your fault for not bothering to learn.
every now and then I think “oh maybe i’ll just play 4 for a few minutes”. go online, get matched against el fuerte. lose. hope i get matched up against like akuma, ryu, ken, something like that, get el fuerte. lose. open quickplay and start up 3s. i have no idea what im doing in that game. I don’t understand it. I don’t like how it feels and it doesn’t encourage me to play at all. people complain about guessing games in 3s? what the fuck is el fuerte?
or is the answer just shoryu on wakeup if he so much as jumps? since theres no parry I guess if hes near me and so much as moves i should just shoryu. if that’s all it takes to destroy his wakeup game then sf4 really is trash.
see how I don’t know anything and I can also make huge assumptions that sound stupid? weird isn’t it.
the user friendliness has nothing to do with the game itself. people need to get over that and grow some balls.
You know, even though you’re coming with an moron’s attitude here, I’m still going to reply to you in short so that you’ll understand. People are kind of dumb in a way that when somebody, like Capcom for instance, says they’re going to give us something, they tend to belive it because it’s what they want. They want to belive that what is advertised is true. Iron Galaxy’s, the developer of this port, spokesperson Derek Neal said the magical words “arcade perfect” and “godlike netcode” multiple times when marketing this game and generating hype for it. When remembering that the PS2/XBox and Dreamcast ports of 3s were flawed, the player base of 3s naturally got very excited that finally, after all these years of waiting a proper port would be made. Also those familliar with GGPO got even more excited because the netcode will be using it. What we got in turn was really nothing that was promised; It wasn’t arcade perfect, nor is the netcode godlike. Now you can go ahead and call everyone that had high expecations for this game a tool, but in reality, is it our fault, or Capcom’s/IG’s for promising us the world but instead ended up shitting on us?
“Shitting on us?” It’s called “hype” and it’s something EVERY company does nowadays, not just Capcom. I’d say that compared to HDR and MvC2, 3SO is hardly shitting on the community, but after seeing those, why on earth would you believe Capcom’s claims? Didn’t those two games get hyped to high hell, and look how that turned out. What may be a “moron’s attitude” to you is me being realistic about the chances of getting what is being promised from a company that has a checkered past with those sorts of promises. If you can’t look at Capcom’s history and gauge your expectations accordingly, then i don’t know what to tell you bruh.
And even IF Capcom were to put out an “arcade perfect” port of the game, how many people would know the difference? I’m fortunate enough to be able to play 3s on a cab at Game Galaxy here in Nashville semi-regularly, and on MAME, but even I couldn’t really tell what the differences were in 3SO (and maybe that says something about me, who knows) and I noticed the differences of the PS2 version right away.
But with that said, I think 3SO is a pretty good port, the netcode is decent imo and it still plays well offline. Someone in this thread even said it’s the best port yet, so with that in mind, why do you feel like Capcom is “shitting on us?” Especially when other communities (like the Guilty Gear one for instance) don’t even HAVE next gen versions of ANY of their games. Short of delivering an arcade cab to everyone’s house, what would Capcom have to do to make you happy?
I didn’t really pay attention to HDR when it was coming out other than that people were pissed about the new, ugly UDON graphics and Sirlin’s rebalancing. I think that game turned out alright and the people complaining about the rebalancing were mostly ST purists taking personal offense on their holy game being altered. The graphics complaints are legit though, that game is hella ugly.
Didn’t care about Marvel 2, but the PS3 version was played in tourneys for awhile, so I don’t know.
And just like I said, people are dumb in a way that they want to belive what they’re told, no matter what has happened in the past. It’s that doomed from the start “maybe it’ll get better” mentality, but I still ask is it our, the fans’, fault for being tools, or Capcom’s for lying time and time again? Everyone’s expectations were naturally high for this release, so when things turned sour, people just took it instead of making a fuss about it or calling everything quits. That’s how Capcom makes it’s money, after all.
About knowing the differance between an arcade perfect port and an imperfect port, you can go look up one of the many bugs/glitches/problems/complain threats on this sub-forum, one directly underneath this thread. Just read through those and you’ll notice that people notice, not matter how small the differances may be.
I was the one who said that it’s the best port of 3s yet, but that isn’t saying much when you look at what the previous ones were. It’s playable offline yes, but it’s still a colossal failure when it comes to what it should have - and again I repeat myself, was promised - been. So what Capcom should have done to make me, among many, happy is to keep up to their promise; emulate the game straight from the arcade roms instead of porting the DC/PS2/XBox version over to PS3/Xbox360 and tweaking the gameplay a little bit so that it’s closer to the speed of the arcade and such and then sugar coating it with a new (and shitty) UI. And your GG argument is flawed because no GG player has wanted it to be ported to newer systems, there’s no need for that. What they have wanted is a new Guilty Gear, something that is supposedly on the works.
this is the only thing i’ll reply to, this is exactly what I mean! no reason to learn on an old game. Make sense? the reward isn’t great enough, i’d rather just move onto new games where the majority plays that would be worth learning rather then a old game that no one hardly plays compared to any other new popular fighting game that’s already out or will be coming out.
Investing time in 3rd strike now would be a horrible move! and you can only learn so much without overloading. Your better off learning umv3/ssf4 ae combo, rather go with a combo package of both new games that people still play then some old game that barely makes it to tournaments and if it does the entry fee isn’t that great or the majority of people aren’t playing it. 1:4 ratio of about 80 people so every 4 people that play ssf4 AE at least 1 person is going to play 3rd strike.
Just sayin =d, that’s how I feel and how the majority of my friends/brothers felt about playing 3rd strike. We did say that it was the superior fighting game! but it wasn’t the Main theme game anymore, so it wasn’t worth playing anymore.
Think about it like Jumping to the tier list of the fighting games that are being played. If it’s top tier then it will then highly be looked at and played seriously. if it’s a low tier game “skullgirls lol” then it will be ignored =d
Most of the players I know of just migrated back to GGPO for 3S, and that place is still lively from what I heard.
And that’s your decision, I’m not gonna judge you for that. But realize that no matter what, in the end you don’t want to learn and get better, and it’s going to be your own fault when you get beat. Nothing to get mad at but yourself.
Man, dammit Aku. I saw a new avatar and I was like, “This dude who has never posted in this area has his head on straight” so I liked the post. Then I looked at the name UNDER the avatar and saw that it was you. lol.
I’m tempted to take my ‘like’ back. lol.
If you don’t think it’s worth learning, go play something else. Nobody expects you to play 3s or anything.
Regarding Renegade TX2000’s opinion specifically, let me just respond with this: I’d rather play a game that I enjoy with five others than a game I hate with five hundred others.
When did the reason we play games ever become anything besides fun? I don’t really understand this whole perspective very well.
So really you just want to be a part of something? You have some interest in the game, but really it’s just the community surrounding it. You want to play what’s current. Are you going to switch to sfxt also? i’m sure that’ll be ‘the new hotness’.
Why care how many people play?
It’s a pain for me to go play 3s with good players on cab. It’s like 1.3 hours out of my way. I’m sure there is some shitty sf4 group within 30 mins. I could also go play umvc3 and ssf4 at 8 on the break. but why? i’ll never be good at either game because I simply can’t sit down and practice them/play them for hours without getting bored.
why do you care how much its looked at? 3S has been dissected and looked at for the last like 11+ years? the difference is games like sf4 are so simple it doesn’t take much to understand them. there’s no nuance. about the only nuance in that game is crossups, and surprise surprise, they’re one the best ways to build offense (this is absurd to me).
p.s. tell me how to be el fuerte. should i just tatsu all game or jab?
I wouldn’t say the game is dead. It is true that their are barely any lobbies running. But ranked is filled with people, I have no trouble getting into matches so I just play usually on that. I have maybe a little less than 10 people on my friends list which I play 3SOE with and were usually always running some kind of private lobby playing against each other. If you want some good matches/more friends to play with, just setup a lobby an invite a player you played with from ranked. If you lose a match, run that shit back brah. When I log on to XBL, they’re is usually somebody on my friends list online and willing to play with me.
you got it mixed up, I say play it for “fun” and enjoy the game, but to play it seriously again would be a mistake and i’m talking about tournament wise, “huge money matches”. The only high rate money matches you’ll get is with people that still play it or still remember how to play it because of experience. Even then the money match won’t be that much because they aren’t sure of themselves because of lack of practice.
New games will always replace old games. You can still play old games for fun but to go back and take it seriously again will just be wasting your time. When I say seriously I mean learning the frame data/character match ups/ what’s safe to do and what’s not/make the game one of your priorities on getting great at and to become the best you possibly can be.
For fun, then go ahead you can play just to get some games in with your friends but don’t expect to just take it seriously again learning all that shit when theres newer games coming out.
New players tend to flock to newer games because of no one having an advantage of the game in terms of experience/knowledge of it, everyone starts on the same foot. That’s why I play other games and dropped 3rd strike so fast, because the experience adv was not even fair.
I want equal footing so i’ll try and get the best of it by playing games that are new or will be coming out. If it’s 1-2 years old and still the “main stream” game and someone wants to learn, it will be hard for him but he’ll be highly rewarded once he finally gets it down. High effort, extremely high reward compared to high effort, little reward. Just a waste of time, hell already wasting time playing a “video game” just play mainstream to not waste your time any further if your planning on “TAKING THE GAME SERIOUSLY”. =) all I have to say now.
btw, i’m not just talking about myself, i’m talking about the reason 3SOE died out and why a ton of people that gave it a shot don’t play it anymore. That is the main reason and almost everyone here won’t admit it but it’s true. No one likes to lose and will find an excuse to stop playing and the excuse to not play 3rd strike is way too easy to bring up. So that’s why it dies out.
Tournament or non-tournament play, playing 3S seriously is never a mistake.
What? You can have a huge money match in any game, if the money is there. I could (if I had it) bet $5k against Tebbo that I could beat him in 3S (if I wanted to lose $5k) in a FT25.
Don’t say that learning anything seriously is a mistake. There are even people out there learning dead languages like Latin if only because they want to learn something different. People take 3S seriously for many reasons, and I’m sure none of them is to make money.
Besides, for a lot of people, taking it seriously is fun. Being able to play with a small group competitively is fun to some of us. Why do you think the game lasted as long as it has? People realized the balance issues a very long time ago. This shit isn’t new to anyone. People still played 3S. SFIV came out. People stil played 3S. Blazblue came out. People stil played 3S. Super SFIV came out. People still played 3S. AE came out. People still played 3S.
3S is a game designed to be taken seriously. If you don’t take it seriously, you will lose in it over and over and over again. It doesn’t have those stupid ass facial expressions before people get hit with supers or during meaty attacks that you’ll find in SFIV. Nothing is funny in 3S except Oro’s penis and watching Alex try to get in on Chun.
Its not a perfect port but at least I can play 3s. Its not dead. Just cause YOU can’t find matches doesn’t mean its dead. maybe your PNG is bad?
You don’t go to Dustloop do you? I personally signed the thread at Dustloop and I believe there was even one here at SRK of players who wanted GGAC ported to next gen systems. As far as there being, “no need,” I’d call playing on old hardware and the difficulty (and relative pointlessness) of hunting down a PS2 stick PLENTY of reason for a port of the game. So what were you saying again about “no need?” Smfh.
But basically what you’re saying is, you haven’t checked out Capcom’s other ports, so you have no idea how 3SO stacks up. And as I recall, it was leaked that 3SO would be using the Dreamcast port as a basis before the game came out. So if that’s the case, why did you still buy the game knowing it wasn’t being ported from an actual arcade rom? Again, I’m kind of confused on why people didn’t at least try to check the game out at a friend’s place or see what the community had to say about it before buying hardware for it or plunking down $15 for it. I think what we got is pretty good, and as far as what Capcom “promised,” as far as I can tell, they delivered everything they promised, especially if you take into account that “godlike netcode” these days is BlazBLue, HDR, or SF4.
As far as the bugs/glitches list, none of the complaints I saw in that thread were gameplay related unless I missed something. It’s all stuff about the sound cutting out or things freezing, or people hating the UI, not about moves not hitting when they should or stuff not working, or things that relate to the actual gameplay. Capcom certainly SHOULD fix those glitches, but they aren’t related to the game being arcade perfect or not in my mind. So I don’t really think you can make the case that it’s a bad port when the game plays as it did in the arcade at the correct speed.
The reason to play these games, besides for the love and fun of playing them, is that when I go back to playing something as slow as SF4, my reflexes and reaction times are going to be heightened, which means that when you throw out your random Ultra, I already knew you were going to do it and will have punished you before you even know what happened. You’re welcome.