That guy being mad because people want changes is a game is pretty funny.
Does anyone truly, honestly think that 3s is perfect? Alex needs no changes? 12 is perfectly fine? Hugo?
Every game could probably use a change, but 3s seems like an obvious choice or anything. Third strike players love to parry, that’s fine, whatever. The game is not perfect, nothing is, so I thik the kind of attitude that says “No changes are needed, because it is perfect” is sort of like sticking your head in the sand
No changes are needed because it wouldn’t be 3rd strike if they rebalanced it. And people would still whine about the rebalances. So its a no win situation friend.
This.
You can’t rebalance 3S without changing the name. I mean, seriously. Third Strike is a rebalance in itself.
Rebalance it and call it like… I don’t know… Fourthal Kombat.
Honestly? If Capcom were to attempt to rebalance the game like a year or two after the game’s release, then whatever. We wouldn’t have known all the little things about this game that we picked up the past decade, but ignorance would be bliss in that regard. But it’s been well over a decade. There’s so much about this game that players have discovered, and even just recently started implementing into their play consistently. Changing anything at this point, even little things, could affect the whole game. Hell, there was ONE arcade revision, and everyone hated it because(at the time) it changed Urien and Oro for the worse.
For the last time, a lack of change or rebalance is pretty much the last thing on the list of why 3SOE failed. The port itself just failed to live up to a lot of die-hard enthusiasts’ expectations, and rejected it in favor of alternatives like GGPO/Supercade. If Capcom decided to pony up the dough and actually fix the bugs/glitches and online experience, a 3S resurgence might have happened. A lot of people expected it to happen, even the longtime haters.
Honestly all they’d need to do is fix a few things about online. like matchmaking, overall netcode (though its better than 4) and those R-TARDED glitches that happen for no damn reason it probably be golden or at least not hated by the hard core enthusiasts and stuff like that. And saying arcade perfect they should take that off too.
If you have the opportunity to make a better game, you should take it. The win is you make a better game than third strike. People complaining about something has stopped progress roughly never, why should it stop it now? Having a defeatist attitude serves no one
The win is getting a better game. Being afraid of complaints is pointless. Saying the game wouldn’t be the same is pointless, that is why you make the change, to make a better game.
@aku Your first paragraph is a nirvana fallacy, not being able to change the game because you might discover something later.
st was 15 years old, and no one disagreed that it was better balanced in HDR. Some outspoken people disliked it for different reasons, but being worse balanced was never one of them. Is third strike just that much more complex?
Derek Neal slowly started to change his words around and say it was “the closest thing to arcade perfect”. In comparison to past ports it was, and I’ll admit I had little problem adjusting to OE offline, but all the other things about OE felt like they took some steps back from even the PS2 version, like the training mode and so on.
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Then they should just make a new and better game. Have 3rd Strike be an option instead of something to fix. C’mon, you didn’t see people begging the 360 port of MvC2 be rebalanced or free from the old bugs.
I already said it wouldn’t be THIRD STRIKE THEN. It’d be a totally different game. and why would you want it to change? Marvel 2 didn’t get rebalanced, neither did the alpha series. Nobody complained about that. Theres games that have WAY worse balance than 3s anyway. Besides we wanted 3s not a half-assed rebalanced version of it. Half the time “rebalance” from capcom just means new top tiers that people would bitch and moan about anyway. Plus if they did the OG players would have overlooked the game completely. Even more than they already do. All they need to fix about OE is the actual Online portion of it. So a rebalance wouldn’t even be a good or smart idea from capcom, because the possibility of them fucking up is way to high. Can we stop talking about rebalances now? we’re going in circles.
Oh and training mode I think they should have put in a command history viewer thats it.
No one complained because no one had the opportunity to change what was there. HDR’s rebalance, top tiers stayed the same, low tier stayed the same. Why would it be different here, especially with at least some community involvement?
OG players would overlook the game? A fresh one with the same 3s system they love? Really? OG players didn’t overlook hdr. Obviously yes, there were a few other things done incorrectly, but breathing new life into the game with a rebalance would have done more than nothing imo
Is Supercade really populated? I don’t see that many people playing 3S on GGPO when I log on there. Either most enthusiasts aren’t playing there or there aren’t that many enthusiasts!
I like how people get mad when someone attempts to generalize the 3S community, then turn right around and attempt to do the same thing to the MVC3/SF4/HDR communities.
Never mind the fact that UMVC3 has gotten approximately ONE balance patch, and that was (unjustifiably) to Phoenix Wright.
Never mind the fact that the last SF4 update came because of EVERYBODY, not just online scrubs. Pros included.
Never mind the fact that HDR can also be played under ST rules and settings, original graphics and hitboxes included.
Seriously…can we all get off the high horses and just play what we like without bashing others for doing the same thing?
ON TOPIC: Are there people still playing 3SOE? Yes? Are there many? Not so much.
3SOE is about on the same level as MVC2 right about now: Mostly dedicated, veteran players. A few newbies join, get stomped or trolled (In the case of J.R. Rodriguez and his rage quit videos), and then leave.
To be fair I was asking why people keep screaming for a rebalance patch of 3s. when the games i mentioned have worse balance but are still loads of fun to play. Especially since the game has already been broken down to a degree where changing anything will F**k the game up for the worse…crap I was supposed to stop talking about this. Damn I need a distraction now. Ladies and gentlemen mr conway twitty.[media=youtube]d2aeRg_yMSE[/media]
Im done talking about this son. Lets just agree to disagree. Either way 3s isn’t gonna come back anytime soon.
I wasn’t necessarily talking about you. I agree with not rebalancing 3S. My issue is when people get mad at one person generalizing 3S players as a bunch of elitist snobs, then turn around and say that the people that MVC3/SF4/HDR supposedly cater to are nothing but crybabies that want everything patched and nerfed, thereby pretty much insulting those communities.
I was just asking why can’t we all live and let live?
really? I didn’t know people thought that about the 3s community. Im pretty much a n00b and all the og 3s (Mackizie, Duralath, hard_bread) players i met were nice to me. they gave me tips. pointers, and practice advice. The 3s community is nice and will help noobs learn IF said noobs really want to and don’t act like douches and mash and generally play like its 4. Cause I have met some assy players that did dumb shit and didn’t want to listen to advice either.
Yeah. Granted, the 3S community’s rep isn’t as bad as, say, the Blazblue or KOF communities, but I’ve seen quite a few people say that they have their share of elitism as well. (Personally, with the exception of a couple people around here, I haven’t seen it. The MVC2 community is worse as of late.)
You come across asses in any community, though. A lot of people are just hard-headed and stubborn these days. It really has nothing to do with the new games coming out. The same people that bitched about 3S, bitch about MVC2, (U)MVC3, SF4, HDR, and will most likely bitch when they start getting stomped in SFxT. They either have to decide to sit down, shut up, and learn, or get beaten out of the community. Pretty simple.
yeah people bitch cause they lose. and lose because they suck. . but don’t want to practice. and lose even more. its an endless cycle
Here’s the thing: HDR came with O.ST underneath as an option for people who don’t like the balance changes. If this is done with 3S, that would be splendid. However, if you’re thinking that they could have somehow released a rebalanced 3S and still called it 3S and expected any level of acceptance from the players, you are sadly mistaken and clearly confused.
HDR did well and was decently received due to the fact that we knew it was being rebalanced and knew that there would still be O.ST under the new art. We knew this all from the name. ST HDRemix. There is no confusion. 3SOE doesn’t say anything about rebalance or v2 or updated or updated or remixed or anything. We bought it because it is 3S, not because it’s been slathered with jelly pretending to be filters. If it came with Fourthal Kombat under it as an option, I would play it and enjoy my characters being better/worse. But it is not 3S at that point.
oh its this discussion again. hooray.
TS:OE is most definitely alive and well. First thing I play every night to get my hands warmed up. I live in Maine,…couldn’t be further from anyone else. I do ranked battles constantly, and player matches every now and then. I always have instant matches with great connections. Even the players with the connections in the yellow are flawless, still better than a 3 bar in SF4. The red dot connections are even playable, other than the fact someone can come back to life…you know, I DP them, get the sunny skies background followed by a KO, just to have it taken away from me and continue playing the match. :tdown:
Lets just not respond to him anymore. Its going in circles and going nowhere.