don’t call it The World Championships of 3S
its now called:
The Neighborhood Shithole Arcade Championships of 3S for Retards
TADA!
xoxo
5star
remember last year dsp had the idea of having a devolution tournament the same day as evo?
Same thing going on here except these guys are actually serious =\
Just like with that tournament, i don’t have a problem with having a tournament. I have a problem with the fact that people can’t just say they like arcade versions and want to have a tournament, they just have to come into the evo forum, dis evo, and most of the players that are even left, then be like ok all the real players should come to my piggyback tournament. If it’s really a good idea, it shouldn’t need all that drama backing it.
It’s just a terrible idea to base your tournament on, it’s not only destructive to evo, its destructive to the side tournament as well. You can’t build a community around this kind of nonsense. What happens next year, someone rolls in and says “omg ff tourney was wack, man evo is wack, everything is wack, you all are a bunch of scrubs, oh by the way, i’m having the REALLY REAL REALEST SF championships at <arcade> during the finals of evo this year, and during the ff tourney times we’re running happy hour at our bar, sure you can win evo and FF but if you don’t win my tourney your still a bitch, peace” Then the year after that all the tournament directors just fight and then noone has a tournament.
Anyone that wants to add to the scene is ok in my book, when you start doing it at the expense of everyone else you get yourself into trouble.
ffa seems pretty lame to me
you try to throw a tournament the same weekend as ECC cept no one shows up except for some poor guy who drove 4 hours and no one shows up.
you want respect because you’re good at 3S or something, it’s like nebraska a couple years ago and look where nebraska is at now.
if you don’t wanna play on console just don’t go simple as that, no one’s forcing you to go - so you can just goto FFA during the weekend and play some arcade 3S no one’s stopping you.
seems to me like you’re trying to hurt the scene not help it, if it wasn’t for the cannons and srk.com do you think there would even be a SF scene as big as it was now? I doubt it, maybe in small areas but it wouldn’t be as big and competitive.
arcades are on their way out, sure some will stuff (i doubt chinatown fair would go out of business, the break is struggling, dunno about the WC) pretty soon the only arcades left will be full of ticket machines and benami games at the mall or the boardwalk
LOL!
All of a sudden, Evo folks are all concerned because a REAL tourney is gonna happen right down the road?
Where is the “if you don’t like it, don’t come” attitude now? I think that it would be hilarious for most of the folks to pull out of the Evo 3S tourney and go to the FFA tourney. Then see if the Evo folks have that “if you don’t like it, don’t come” attitude.
Most of eveything Apoc said is right on in my book - standardization and integrity. What do you guys expect - Japanese players come all the way here to play against other folks on PS2s?!? The ONLY thing they’re probably concerned about now is the prize money.
As I posted LONG time ago - Evo folks can do whatever they want. But it’s like any other business – if you don’t satisfy the customer, another small business will come along and take your customers from you by giving them what they want.
Kudos to FFA folks!! I hope they are successful in keeping the integrity of tourney play!
(notice i didn’t say anything bad about Evo. Just moral support for the guys who are keeping it real (no pun intended)).
two cents
odangitsyiwang: I don’t know why you are hating on me so bad, i just think that skill made a good point when he said real players adapt.
Ive never been to FFA either, id kinda like to go too, anything is better than the zot zone…
Sorry to beat a dead horse but no one really answered my questions…
are other countries leaving arcade versions for console? or is that just a US thing? If they did switch, any results?
da fuck. Im sure FF didnt throw a tournament at the same time as ECC to have an affect on ECC’s attendance. are you fucking dumb? come on dawg. brain up. dont come in here talkin about how lame FF is. tryin to hurt the scene? lol. I wonder who are really the ones hurting the scene.
OhNoos: iono about the other countries, but Korea is all arcade. arcades are all well packed from my yearly summer experiences in Seoul. arcade ever other block literally. I’d guess the same for Japan.
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No. The FFA tournament does not compete with EVO – it’s on Thursday and EVO starts Friday morning. FMJ and rsigley are wrong on this one IMHO.
Right where I left it. We announced this so early to give people a choice. EVO is what it is and we’re not hiding it. If you don’t think you’ll have a good time, then of couse you shouldn’t come. We’re not being sneaky about this or anything – if you absolutely must attend an arcade tournament, maybe you’re better off going to MWC.
Japan still has a flourishing arcade scene, so of course they’re sticking with arcade.
Europe is more of a mix. They’ve been using consoles in tournaments for a while, but you do see some arcade machines as well.
Happy now?? 
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“FFA is going to have a big 3s tournament on Thursday (day before evo signups).”
Why would someone drop out to play in a tournament that isn’t even at the same time. Remember that tournaments do happen more often in japan, the break has (i think) the weekday tournaments before ECC. Like i said before, THAT is a good idea, dissing the real tournament for an arcade one is not a good idea.
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As opposed to before when they cared about the… prize money… and before that when it was the… prize money… and before that when I believe it was sponsored. Maybe you forgot the japanese player rundown threads: “XYZ player from japan - wants free USA prize money so he can pay for trip”, “ABC player from japan - needs free USA prize money to eat at McDonalds”. US players are the crazy people that pay to go lose in tournaments that don’t even feature games we would do well in. I don’t know what SF you follow.
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Of course this assumes that people are dropping like flies out of evo to go attend other tournaments when they could just attend both. Good try tho, i guess…
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Kudos to pyro for making a sensible post about what the tourney is, thumbs down to some kids that then dragged the FFA tourney through the mud and tried to use it as some leverage in the anti-evo hate.
that was this champion right here, there were roughly 20 people in the arcade but sob tournament host wasnt there?
Someone earlier mentioned that SF has such a huge scene and that we should be thankful for Evo and srk.com. Wait a minute, SF has a huge scene? Since when? Compared to what? Maybe compared to professional dodge ball or professional arm wrestling. Even then, the SF scene pales in comparison to all other established video game scenes that hold professional-type tournaments and events. (For goodness sake, they hold ECC at some low-rent, low-budget, grimy, smelly strip mall arcade near garbage-infested waters and black kids with fucked up teeth; BTW, Im not talking about Family Fun Arcade, but if you take away the garbage- infested waters and replace black kids with fucked up teeth with fat Mexicans who smell and think they are good, not to mention an old white guy–probably 50+ years old-- that is so bitter he works behind a candy/soda bar and throws money at you when getting change and looks like Leslie Nielsen from Naked Gun movies fame, you might as well be) But when compared to other video game scenes such as PC gaming, the SF scene doesnt even compare. However, this isnt entirely the fault of tourney organizers and the like. Theres a reason major, even minor sponsorship is missing for the SF scene: THERE IS NO MONEY TO BE MADE. Look at 75%+ people that come to these tournaments: thugs, druggies, anti-social rejects, etc. Is this the kind of crowd corporate types want associated with big corporate sponsors? No. Take for example, Family Fun arcade. The post made by OdangitsywangIlikenutsinmymouthespeciallyPyroleesnuts sums up perfectly what kind of people you are dealing with. Hes even re-naming his tourney from World Championships of 3s (clever, considering Odangtits isnt even top 5 in Los Angeles county, but, hark, they do have Pyrolee, the best Yun in the worlduh, strike that, I mean the best X-copied Yun in the world, but more on that later. Furthermore, I guess that makes sense to call it the World Championships, but then again FFA 3s regulars refer to Pyrolee as the End Boss. So, in their world, it is the World Championships) to The Neighborhood Shithole Arcade Championships of 3S for Retards. On a side note, when you play 3s 24/7 you better be one of the best.
SRK folk might be wondering why does FFA act so foolishly regarding this whole console issue? Well, from my experience with talking to people close to FFA, being at FFA when they had special events, like E3 gatherings, Days Before Evo Gathering, etc, and seeing their ignorant posts in srk, let me try to shed some light:
Family Fun is good at a 3s game they fail to realize that this has nothing to do with them. Evo tournament is FOR console players, not for THEM. They have always been ignorant and arrogant and believe that because they are good at a game years later after X-copying the top strategies from Japanese gives them the right to act this way and be “above” everyone else. Its great to know that you are the king of your local 12 man tourneys. And it’s even funnier that with as much talk as you put towards the arcade scene that none of you are going/have gone to ECC and MWC, the ONLY arcade tournaments for 3s this year. You choose to bag on EVL which has been nothing but good for the community as they bring the top Japanese players here NOT for you, but for the COMMUNITY unfortunately, you guys are too full of yourselves to think that
but that’s ok, you’re the best in the world at a game that is 5 years old, and no one plays anymore. Wow, odangilikemen posted eariler that KSK invited him and his 3s orgy to KSKs apt. tp play 3s. Does this mean anything? Who the fuck cares? That doesnt make you good or prove that even KSK thinks you are good. I am pretty sure Japan, if werent for them being so humble and respectful, unlike many of the top SF players in the U.S. who have no sense of the world outside your precious arcade, recognize that FFA 3s players arent as good as they think they are. I mean, look how random their tournament placing is in 3s: Pyroflea losing to Choi up in No. Cal when Choi doesnt even play 3s, Valle beating up on FFA players when he rarely plays 3s. CONGRATULATIONS, FAMILY FUN ARCADE, YOU ARE THE BEST 3S PLAYERSAT FAMILY FUN ARCADE. Simpletons, mental midgets. These are the words that best describe FFA players.
On the other hand:
If you ask an avid hardcore gamer or anyone that works in the video game industry, Have you ever heard of Evo, or srk.com? they would have no idea what you are talking about. Evo? Thats a car made by Mitsubishi, right? Nobody knows, nobody cares. Again, not the fault of tourney organizers, but its a dead issue. SF scene is dead if there ever was one. Nothing will bring it back. The scene only exists when these major tournaments are thrown. Other than that, it exists in the heads of those who entire life revolves around SF and their precious srk.com or their local arcade that thinks they are the best in the U.S. Those that exist in the real world know better.
As for FFA messing up the SF scene. my response is, What scene? If they plan on having a World Championships of 3s and certain players decide to come to FFA, then it would appear Evo is the one not doing their jobs. But either way, the whole scene is about competition anyways, right? So whats wrong with a little competition between tournaments? Plus, Evo has their If you dont like, dont come.
Recently, Ive seen posts by Seth Killian aka skill, s-kill, becoming more and more absolutist, elitist, and downright nasty. Usually, this guy makes the case for the so-called old schoolers, while nothing wrong with that, but most of the time fails to recognize that without mental midget players like FFA 3s players, the scene wouldnt be a scene at all. Maybe I underestimated Seths intelligence or he maybe hes extremely easy to bait into a wasteful, meaningless post/conversation about an arcade scene that has long since passed or who is better in what game, etc. Either Seth has gone mad or he really does think he is above everyone else.
Anyways, Im tired.
odangitsyiwang hit it on the head. “real players adapt” is only relevant to playstyle, not the fundamental characteristics of the game. fuck with link timing, combos, and supers, and you’ve got a whole new game to anybody with some common sense.
are you trying to honestly tell me ken’s low strong or forward into super is the exact same in the console and arcade? chun’s crouching forward into super? yun’s GJ?!?!
come on, you’re kidding yourself if you said yes to any of those questions.
EDIT- Philly Backer, you forgot to mention that FFA players (pyro, frankie, and arlieth?) represented the US in 3S at SBO2 and got 5th. you’re talking a whole bunch of shit, and i don’t think it’s fair to point out random losses against choi and valle as a good point against FFA players considering choi and valle have intrinsic SF skills that can be applied to any SF game (footsies, execution, reflexes, etc).
Popoblo, I think you fail to see where this whole problem lies. EVERY arcade/console thing has its’ issues. The MVC2 players wanted arcade, I bet even the CVS2 players do also. There are serious SPEED issues. Hell, CVS2 is going to be played on DC when it never was even released in the US on DC. But this is besides the point. Everyone is complaining that things be changed to Super Guns when this is a CONSOLE tournament. I don’t see the relevance of anything here. It’s what APOC said, CONSOLE. 3rd Strike on PS2. If you want to play arcade, go the the Family Fun tourneys the day before, or go to MWC or make up your own arcade tournament.
I implore anyone to try and locate all of these arcade boards and cabinets nowadays and see how tiring and difficult it is. You think it’s easy to come up with all of this stuff? I’d like to see any of you come up with boards for CVs2, MVC2, GGXX, and 3s for a major. Everyone is complaining, and no one is thinking about the intangibles involved with this whole thing.
It’s like comparing apples to oranges. Console Tournament Only. Should not even be discussed otherwise.
Also, the shoe is on the other foot sometimes. I have people whining and complaining that they won’t attend MWC GGXX tourney because it’s NOT on Console. Works both ways ya know. More players on Console, easier to run, easier to deal with, more televisions and consoles than cabinets to obtain. Cheaper to deal with. Better in the long run. And when I last checked, no one goes to the damned arcade anymore anyway. I see Family Fun packed, but that’s it. You’re talking the only arcade in Southern California with players now. That’s pretty telliing and chilling.
philly backer lol. if you just wanna talk shit about FF and everyone that goes there, come to the FF thread and do it, especially when i specifically asked don’t get involved if you’re not, thanx.
the tourney we’re having is just to try to give the 3s players coming to evo an experience that maybe the real evo cannot give them, a tourney on boards and cabinets. we don’t expect them not to go to evo, as i will be attending and entering evo as well. just clearing some things up
dentron: real players adapt to other players playing styles, not to sticks. my bad if i went off
to everyone else who thinks im just hating on evo: i’m the one who came up with the whole idea to try to give everyone a 3s experience on boards and cabinets. i talked to the owner of my arcade and set everything up. so if you are going to go and hate on me for that, do so, i’ll see y’all in the parking lots at evo. peace
Dude, I think the FFA is a great idea and i’m sure i’ll have a blast at it when I’m there and when I owne you up with Pink Sean =).
These people got you all wrong. You’re not competing with evo. you’re just giving people going to evo something to do on the thursday. I mean i’ll be in cali on the tuesday. Hollywood wednesday. Actually had nothing planned for thursday. So now the other toronto people and I have something to do.
and no i aint fucken seeing you at the parking lot. That shit costs money! Shuttle that shit!
shameless plug: my 3s video at http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/thread64260.php
everyone is going to EVO and yall know it. we just trying to get an arcade tournament going because that is what some prefer. and the quality of a tournament is not measured by the number of entrants. FF can have 30 entrants for 3s, EVO can have 300. doesnt matter. there is only power in numbers, not quality.
I guess my post shows how little I know about this. Seems like there’s no conflict or controversy at all to talk about then. In fact, FFA may attract some top players to the area who initially were undecided. Of course, they’d stay to attend Evo too. Now that’s how you should look at this thing.
Anyways, I’ll keep quiet except to say that it does make a difference for Inkblot to come in and give responses. Good show. Still, as a business or a function, you would never want to actually come out and say “don’t like it, don’t come.” Potential suicide – if you were actually a business, of course.
P R O P S!!! Props go out from me to those running it and the whole FFA crew. I don’t see how it should effect Evo at all. Those that take the game seriously, imo, would never want to play on a console version and that includes the Japanese. I know 100% that K.O. and KSK prefer arcade. Though I’ve seen them play console very well, they told me that it’s not good to practice on console due to major timing differences(didn’t most of us always feel this way?).
Evo is a console tournament. So, there’s no way I would consider it a serious tournament with respectable results. Maybe in a year, I would. Let cabs shine for another year, I say. As long as it can be done, do it.
See, my issue is this. Tourneys are usually for the players. Players should have a large say about how it goes down. Increasing numbers by adding SSBM(no offense to Smashers) or ideas like that seem to stem from desires of ego. I mean, I hear often that each year Evo gets bigger. Seriously, last year wasn’t really bigger if we’re judging on an even scale. Evo2k2 had FOUR tournaments. Evo2k3 only had more players because it showcased way more games. It’s not because the tournament was actually better, imo. If Evo2k2 had more tournaments it would have been much bigger too. If Evo had A3 and 3s in 2002, it would’ve been waay bigger. Adding in games and THEN saying, “Hey, we got more ppl!” is a loaded line of bs. More tournaments=more players. Pretty simple. Adding tournaments to add players is a math issue. However, it’s often presented by SRK staff(sorry fellas, just calling it like I see it, nothing personal) as being a result of a better tournament. That’s an ego lie, imo. One of those things that are true only because ego makes it seem logical.
Really, what made Evo2k3 superior was theme music(which was supposed to be done at 2k2 anyway) and player profiles. Better showmanship overall. Better presentation all-around. Those are actually OUTSIDE of the true realm of the tournament. Having golden cabinets would be better too but really wouldn’t affect tourney play. So I’ll say this loud and clear…
GOING CONSOLE WITHOUT SPECIFICS STANDARDS IN PLACE MAKES FOR A REALLY MESSED UP TOURNAMENT.
I’ll bet that more than half of the players miss motions that they would never miss on a bolted cabinent. Consoles should never have taken COMPLETELY over unless there was a way to make it comparable to arcade accuracy. The idea that you can bring your own stick doesn’t lend itself to less complaints. That’s a cop out trying to put the fault on the players. Fubarduck’s post explains it best. The integrity of the tournament has been compromised. You can talk about top 3 this and that but that’s ignoring 99% of all other placers that care about their placing whether it be 5th or 50th. I’m not even interested in a dvd since I know I’ll see some stupid crap even if they handpick matches with the least mess-ups. I’d rather watch vids or a dvd from FFA since there is a standard everyone must adhere to and where accuracy is far more assured.
So, why are ppl upset at FFA? They aren’t hurting the scene, they’re encouraging it. The difference here is that Evo got too big for egos, imo. There was no longer reason to ask what the players truly wanted. FFA is fulfilling a need that Evo left hanging. FFA is helping out the players that are serious about the tournament and not merely a convention.
It’s like the old days. There were a ton of tourneys all over the place. World’s Finest was some dinky comic shop that really couldn’t compare to the arcades yet, if there was a guaranteed $200 pot for a free tourney where I knew no one had a chance against me AND, at the same time, there was a tourney of 20 ppl at World’s Finest without any guaranteed money, I would go to World’s Finest and so would Watson, Schaefer, Duong etc. Why? Because the competition was better and more serious at WF. Winning meant far more.
It’s the same thing here. FFA can’t compare to the size of Evo. However, Evo is trampled by the quality of accuracy that will be available at FFA along with some of the best players from both the US and Japan. Clearly, if quality, not quantity, is what players want, they’re going to go to FFA for the real tourney. 3s console is merely an exhibition by comparison. Had a standard been set that includes the weight of the tables, the height at which folks will play, etc, it’d be different. There is no standard. For some it will work and for some it won’t. It’s like throwing out a proven standard for randomness. There’s been a standard for over a decade just thrown out the window without a new one in its’ place. To me, that’s like SRK didn’t take it seriously. The quality of the tournament wasn’t first and foremost. Perhaps it took a backseat to planning the presentation and it was a mere shift in resources. I don’t care, as a former player.
Here’s a clue. If you want to ensure the quality of the tournament FOR the players(which is no longer a fact, for me. I don’t believe Evo has the same integrity of past B and Evo tourneys), the easiest way to do so is to ask the players FIRST. Before making any crazy changes, check to see if players are ready for the change. With attitudes like “If you don’t like it, don’t go,” it’s clear that their interests overpower player interest. An obvious result? Players will jump ship. It’s just like when television shows jump the shark. When a great show acts lame, ppl bolt. Evo jumped the shark with the line “If you don’t like it, don’t go.” Now yall want to act offended like FFA is dissing Street? No, Evo clearly doesn’t care about dissing players anymore. If you want loyalty FROM the players, you need to be loyal TO the players. That would come across more like “if you don’t like it, help us to change it to make it more suitable for THOSE THAT HAVE SUPPORTED THE SCENE AND GOT IT WHERE IT IS.” Evo wasn’t loyal to the players. The FFA tourney is a natural result.
Although, DreamTr is obviously correct. The proper resources aren’t there for most to compete with Evo. Which is exactly why Evo got to big for egos. If resources were obtainable more easily, making these changes without consulting players would be suicide. But SRK staff knows that they have the most resources. A monopoly, if you will. They knew they could do whatever they wanted and folks would be hardpressed to put together a good alternative. Well, it backfired. If only a TINY TINY bit. FFA is answering the call of the hardcore 3s players.
I think folks should be happy that it isn’t on the same day as the Evo 3s tourney or the Evo tourney would surely be compromised. However, it’d be easier for SRK staff to pull rank by running major tourneys at the same time so that if you even wanted to ditch for a better 3s tournament, you’d have to sacrifice all of your majors for it.
There’s no reason to complain. Now there’s a real 3s tourney. You can go to that one and it won’t effect Evo’s 3s tourney at all. So, there really is no big deal. In fact, every 3s player is appeased now. They say you can’t please everyone but, with both an arcade and a console 3s tourney, I think every 3s player can be satisfied. That’s an improvement for the scene. You can’t support Evo when it no longer supports those who have been loyal. No loyalty to the players, no loyalty towards Evo. Every other fighting game scene can be satisfied while SFers get the shaft? Heck no.
Now everyone can be happy. FFA and its’ players get mad props for filling at least one of the voids left open by Evo. SF players have some retrobution. Good for them. FFA gets my vote of loyalty as an SF player. If both Evo and FFA are the “world championships” I’ll call Evo the wannabe tournament and FFA’s the real deal. The big boys of 3s belong there.
Anyone dissing FFA needs to take a step back and realize that they are only doing what SRK staff used to do. All the fanboys can go to Evo with their cosplay outfits and all the serious competition heads can get their fix at FFA. Real tourney vs big convention. Hardcore players will want FFA and fanboys can have their new fairy convention complete with fairy princesses and the Mario bros:) I prefer the tourneys I attend to have a competition seriousness. Evo is jumping the shark.
It would’ve been better to do this console thing as a separate tournament. There was no need to completely reconfigure Evo that way. I’m all for seeing the biggest console tourney ever, but not at the expense of the SF national event we’ve all been loyal to.
Dropping games, adding games? With less games being released, hardcore players should stick with older, better games. The SF world championships should have ST/SFA3/3s/CvS2 and MVC2 as standards before anything else is added. The scene needs staples. Going to the next big thing just makes it weak. Just cuz a show like Jackass is popular doesn’t make it quality. The SF scene BUILT the fighting tournament scene in the US. Cater to THAT. Then add in the rest. Smash, Tekken, etc. all have their own scenes. Cutting SF to make way for that is nonsense. I don’t see Tekken nationals adding Sf tourneys to make their shit better. Again, I’m all for adding but, respect should go to those players that kept the tourney scene alive. Going about things in this way killed the SF scene for me. FFA actually gives me hope. I didn’t have the resources to make things right, so I’m glad someone is doing something. There’s hope for SF yet. But ONLY when ppl ACT like FFA players are RIGHT NOW. All the “special” has been subtracted from Evo. Ppl forgot what made SF special and that was loyalty to SF and other competitive players.
Get a clue folks. SRK left SF players hanging. Our flagship has gone. What good is increasing the overall scene while dissing the EXACT scene that made it as strong as it always has been? Fuck adding tourneys for numbers. Quality can bring in as much as gimmicks can. Just because SRK was dope with tourneys in the past doesn’t mean it’s automatic. The original SW trilogy was dope but it didn’t make the 4th release good. In the same sense. The scene was strong and Evo’s were dope but just because you break an attendance record doesn’t make it better.
There are plenty of other scenes that cater only to geeks. SF was a nice mix of geeks and cool guys. Now it’s being made average. All geeks and fanboys and less diversity in player types. That was another thing that made SF special. All sorts of players attended. Or like Sirlin put it, civilized and uncivilized(geeks and those that aren’t rigid and can cut loose). Now, there’s no real balance. It’s a fanboy convention more than anything now with the addition of Smashbrothers. Now SF players fall into the same category as any game geek. Bump that. SF is for everyone.
Keep SF real so that everyone is appeased. FFA is doing that. Everyone should give them a round of applause for getting off of their asses when someone said “if you don’t like Evo, don’t go.” Folks got called on their bs. Props to FFA for keeping it real. If more ppl were like them, I might want to play SF again. As is, it just isn’t serious fun anymore. It’s just playful fun. In a few years we’ll see a ton of cosplay fags(getting personal here, aren’t I? Damn, I can be a dick) and no normal peeps.
Sorry gay folks, I go to tournaments to check out the best of the best and not to check out Ricky Ortiz. Evo is turning weak and geeky. There’s still hope that Smash won’t be there and it’ll be a bit more serious of a crowd. Sorry Smash-only heads, yall have your own scene. There’s no need to piggy back on ours like VF is doing now. In fact, Smash should be bigger and not need it. Then again, I don’t expect Smash players to care what kind of effect they would have on the SF scene. As an SF player, I care. I’d rather see a console A3 tourney than Smash bros at a STREET FIGHTER SITE’S tournament. I hate console A3. But it’s better for SF to do that. Smash isn’t affected either way. When I see major smash brothers tournaments adding SF games to the line-up(serious SF games, mind you) then I’ll accept letting Smash effect our scene.
I’m just tired of SF being diminished as it’s whored out for every other fighting game community to benefit from. Hasn’t anyone noticed? SF is dying. No, not because there isn’t a decent new game but because tourney organizers like SRK are ommitting serious older games. It’s like having cvs1 instead of A3 because it’s newer. If a game is solid and great, it should always have a home. A3’s home should’ve been SRK. CvS1 is new, but sucked(sorry cvs1 lovers). A3 is head and shoulders ABOVE it but since cvs1 is newer, by the current philosphy, cvs1 would be a better choice for a tourney. STUPID. Don’t ever drop a good, serious fighter just for something new. MvC2/CvS2/A3/3s/ST should be staples of a serious SF championship. The rest is added fluff to make it better. Exchanging games for newer one’s is a weak way of thinking that leads to lame ass tourneys.
My advice for Evo2k5(if there is one) is to concentrate on having the best tournaments for MvC2/CvS2/A3/3s/ST as possible. But I’m just a player so, take that perspective for what its’ worth(hint: player input is worth everything).
Go back to the roots, make them strong, and THEN branch out. Otherwise you’ve got one weak scene…like it is now. SF is becoming more and more average.
FFA=where the real players get down.
Apoc.