Playing pokey with Ken as Urien is just a bad idea but you can certainly create all sorts of false security and odd/difficult to deal with space as Urien. Headbutt, throw, dash are awesome tools. His standing forward is not shabby either. His crouching moves just aren’t so great. Except his launcher, the others are pretty meh.
Basically I think to get anywhere as Urien you need to have balls. He’s got enough stamina to take a few hits and roll with it so don’t be afraid. Especially if the opponent doesn’t have super. If they do you need to be a bit smarter about it.
This has happened a few times where I parry a jump in with Urien then shoulder, but I’m not quite sure how it happened. It was ‘accidental’ going for a toward mp
I guess I see it differently. To me, footsies and spacing are fighting game fundamentals. You cannot just dash in or jump in w/o balancing in some way. You have to play footsies to create ur opportunities to transition in. It?s very important to the success of ur overall game plan, even if playing the footsies game with Shotos is a losing battle for ur character. Gotta play it, gotta learn it well imo.
Oh I agree. Footsies and the occasional parlor tricks/lucky charms are all Urien has up until he gets a meter stocked. I wouldn’t say that it’s a losing battle though; it’s just Ken benefits more from connecting hits.
Day by day I start seeing more that the Super bar > life bar in 3rd Strike in different ways. You gain more bar than you take away the opponent’s life, but that bar takes away more life. That’s just one example, anyway.
It’s just spacing and understanding how moves hit/speed of moves. Any character has good ‘footsies’. It’s independent of character. The way they do this looks quite different though. Urien uses techniques that aren’t the first thing to come to mind. headbutt, dash, grab. Those are 3 important tools for Urien’s footsie game.
Character’s who can dominate spacing would be like Chun or Ken. That doesn’t mean any character is BAD at such a fundamental part of the game. It just looks different and they may not get as easy an advantage out of good spacing. Urien isn’t going to dominate you by being clever at a distance because he doesn’t have that many good tools to use in that kind of situation. Regardless he has everything he needs to be good at spacing. He just isn’t going to catch many lucky pokes into supers like the characters who are good in that particular situation will.
i totally agree. while urien can be played without much footsies, i think its an important part of his game and its a skill you should master if not at least become competent at. jimmy (emphy) always said himself how urien isnt a footsie character, etc, but he plays more footsies than RX for sure lol.
edit: not to mention pierre’s urien footsies are really good. pierre = best fundamental urien and rx = best decision-making/set up oriented urien?!?!?
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i dont think thats a true statement. like, q while he can beat any character is totally not a footsies character. he can barely play any footsies. same goes for twelve, remy, necro, and probably someone else im forgetting right now. while to some degree they do play “footsies” they are DEFINITELY not footsie characters. wiff punishing a wiffed normal is not something you do with them unless its with like a raw super, special move, or cr short/cr… jab super. sure, they can “zone” but play footsies? barely if at all.
I think you can sum this all up by saying that you have to understand the concepts of footsies even if your character is bringing a knife to a gun fight with regards to footsies. Like yuuki said, some characters are pretty much fucked in many matchups if the match is in a mid screen state with neutral momentum. It’s just going to be a given that you can’t take advantage of certain openings that other characters can exploit. Therefore, you need to understand the situation so you can have the best defense possible until you can set up a situation more in your advantage instead of trying to force your way out of it. But I think since 3s has air parries and lots of moves like dive kicks that alter your jump arc, there is a tendency for 3s players to just say fuck it, I’m not gonna play footsies with this f4g.
That’s fine. What I meant to say which I did explain is that they’re just not focused on that part of the game. Regardless of that every character can do that part of the game, they just don’t necessarily make much of it when they do it well. Urien however, despite that not being his focus CAN change shit around suddenly and make something out of it by using moves that are normally not associated with playing footsies. That’s what I meant to say. You’re right with what you said. Comes down to phrasing.