How did I miss this yesterday?
This is priceless ignorance. 100% pure, unrefined comedy gold.
I’ve been saying for years we need a Hall of Fame archive for SRK so that we can put posts like this in there.
Yeah, keeping 3rd Strike as the MAIN EVENT for 6 years does not a Tina Turner make.
And EVO keeping it in the line-up long past the point where most people cared does not an Ike Turner make.
go back to fadc ultra, children.
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I’ll be in da club
I left to get groceries and came back to this.
You are confusing turtling with pace. SFIV is a slow paced game. The game plays like it’s underwater. I’ve seen plenty of 3S ([media=youtube]ZEx0jPAGA-s"]Q players) and ST (Honda [) matches where the players turtle heavily because it is effective. There is plenty of defensive playstyle found in 3S and ST. The major difference between those games is overall speed. A game of turtle in ST is still lightning paced and 3S isn’t far behind (at least compared to where SFIV is).
A turtle plays in response or reaction to his opponent’s moves. Have you ever played high level 3S? Q is a turtle heavy character who relies overwhelmingly on parries, and no one plays him better than Kuroda, so it’s not a surprise to see him play defensively. Of course he’s going to wait for a sweep from Ken and use a reversal SUPER…that’s how you win with Q.
Are you honestly saying that ST and 3S and favor turtling more than [media=youtube]pw8SUlK_5OM"]SFIV](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhSWzWnMNO4"[/media) [URL=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEJsitI0iX0”[/media]?
Seriously though, The Everdragon thread is very much worth 3$ to read and post in.
i am prem
and i am intrigued
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I don’t have a stance in the 3s/evo debate, but evilj IS right about the braindead nature of boxer, rufus, and sagat.
There’'s a good reason that all you could hear at SB4 was “NOooo EscaAAAAPE!” over and over and over and over and over.
I, do however, disagree that SF4 sucks. It has its flaws just like every other game, and its balance is way better than most.
I am, however, under no delusion that my opinion matters, please carry on.
You’re missing my point. Nice little video link to prove that SF4 must be the most turtley game, when you play it incorrectly. Damn. You showed me. Honda’s sitting there at full screen not even moving not really show that this is a turtle based game.
Want me to link a million more offensively, quick paced SF4 matches and a million grindingly slow games of 3s from top players?
Step into a magical realm of adventures, magic, mystery, and awesome.
I can see why the 3s alumni are salty that the game more than likely wont be in the lineup. But like others have said the player base is still strong but its tourney hype is fading. Evo dropping the game is sort of a like an official cosign on that too.
The easy mechanics in SF4 can bring some resentment too. we have all these new cats playing sf4 (which is a good thing) nuthugging japan and most of them could not and WOULD not take the time to learn 3S or appreciate the game. you can say the same for ST too.
Even the sf4 online experience is waaayyy more scrubbier than it was for 3s
3S will always be my favorite, from the music, to the gameplay to the hype. I think EVO did right by the 3s community though. I wish more of the 3s alumni played 4. It aint 3s but the game isnt wack. I like it alot… Sinsation to Evo 09 was the best tourney season ive ever experienced
Best part of 3s imo? you can start learning/training with a new character and go throuhg the journey all over again. the replay value is godlike
sf4 doesnt have that…we’ll see what super brings to the table though
SFIV doesn’t suck, it just isn’t fun IMO and makes me wish I was playing SF2 instead. I love 3s but it’s definitely a different beast.
I think anyone who plays 3s has to assume that 3s is dropping off as an official Evo game, just like CvS2 dropped off. It’ll have a healthy side tourney I’m sure. It has nothing to do with it being boring to watch, or Yun/Chun being too strong – it just seems like SFIV killed whatever steam it still had in terms of players numbers.
I think the only way it would return would be if Capcom rebalances/rereleases it for next-gens.
Nobody’s opinion matters in these subjects. I’ve never seen anyone change their opinion in a “my game vs your game” debate on SRK. It’s just 2 people with at best intermediate knowledge of their games trying to reduce the game they don’t like into the most simplistic, boring sounding terms. Just one malformed, half baked argument against another one.
Better to just live and let live. I am not particularly fond of SF4, but at least can come to grips with the fact that their is no absolute way to determine which game is better than the other, nor any way to prove that any particular game is shit, and I have no desire to anyway. Some people prefer what SF4 brings to the table, and I prefer what 3s brings to the table. I’m happy with the 3s scene as it is right now. People can point out the SF4 scene is larger, as if to be some representation of its better quality, but at the same time most people agree the majority of the scene is fanboyish and scrubby. Conversely, you can point out the majority of the SF4 scene is fanboyish and scrubby to prove its poor quality as a game, but those flippant masses would probably be playing 3s if SF4 hadn’t come out. Point not proven either way.
Just enjoy the game you like, and spend all this energy hating on smash, a game that is objectively bad.
I’ve been posting on forums for a while now, and this is always the line that the hater pulls whenever he can’t actually respond to the argument at hand. And once that is said, he’ll reply by saying something to the effect of “I don’t care cuz ur not worth answering lulz”
…but the fact that you don’t respond to my argument shows that you’re just another idiot contributing nothing to this thread (making even less of a post than what you claim mine to be).
If there is a fight for it, then I encourage you to bring back Alpha 2. The EVO championship series always claims to be made “by the players for the players”, yet each year there always seems to be several “comprimises” that prevent the series from giving the players what they want. I guarantee that you won’t see nearly as big of a fight for Alpha 2 as you will for 3s, because people are no longer passionate about Alpha 2 in the way that the 3s community is about 3s. But if there is a demand for it, then please do so because yes that would be the ethical thing to do.
You’re focusing on the players while I’m focusing on the game itself. It’s true that JWong and Daigo don’t care much for 3s, but it’s also true that both of them play fighting games for the sake of winning cash, placing high and being recognized as the best. As a result, they are going to play whatever game is the hottest at the current moment. You can’t blame 3s for their superficial fighting game motives.
And once again, you’re blaming the game instead of considering other possible factors. Maybe the “fading skill sets” are not due to a decrease in skill level, but maybe it’s because your 3s tournaments have been run so poorly for the past few years, it has deterred the best American players from entering your tournaments.
-Console is hated by most 3s enthusiasts, so that prevents a lot of top players from entering
-Several years of single elimination brackets and terrible scheduling isn’t fun for anyone… try doing that for SF IV and see how many less entrants you get the following year
-The whole yun/chun/ken problem about top 8 always being the same, boring, etc. is due to the format. Japan is undoubtedly going to win 3s when they come, and all those players who travel overseas play yun/chun/ken. In a 1v1 tournament, those top players, with their top tier characters, are always going to win. If you create a different format that encourages different characters, then you won’t see the same boring top 8 each year. This was evident in the past year’s 3s tournament (2v2 format nice job), where Yang, Urien, Akuma, Alex, Makoto and Ibuki were in the top 8. This is also why SBO is so successful, epic, and amazingly fun to watch: their 3v3 different character format forces entrants to form diverse teams, and this makes for an extremely entertaining top 8.
I say that instead of eliminating 3s from the lineup, instead you should keep it on the lineup and do the following:
I think this would revive the hype and popularity of the 3s tournaments at EVO even though I know it’s highly unlikely.
I don’t expect you to keep 3s on the line up, let alone reformat the entire structure of the event. I understand EVO wanting to cut 3s (I really do). There have been less entrants, the top 8’s have been boring, and there has been an increasing bitterness by non-3s players about 3s being on the lineup… but let’s get something straight here. Is 3s’ decline at EVO due to its “dying popularity”, boring finals and low quality? No. The last tournament in Socal had 50 entrants (with IBUKI dominating the finals), and 3s at SBO is still as hype as ever. The Daigo video, although played by non-3s enthusiasts, is a perfect example of the amazing moments that this game can bring when played at a high level. 3s is a masterpiece, and in my opinion its decline at EVO is a result of EVO’s negligence of the game (console, bad brackets/scheduling and bad formats). It hasn’t gotten the attention it deserves due to the release of newer games, but if it were given sufficient attention then I guarantee that it would be just as entertaining, balanced and popular as GG, ST and MvC2. Not to mention my proposed reformatting (SBO rules, arcade cabs) would undoubtedly create several more Evo Moment #37’s and would further promote the prestige of your event.
So if you do remove 3s from the line up, please don’t make claims like “we tried but there’s nothing we can do” or “the game just isn’t popular/good/entertaining enough to stay on”. Instead, recognize that you neglected 3s when you sensed it was declining, that this negligence further killed its popularity, and that you are now removing it for business reasons. Thanks.
Instead of trying to act like you’re above all this, you should just say what you mean.
SF IV sucks and you know it.
Unlike the super hardcore 3s heads though, I actually gave it a chance, and got relatively good at it, before I dismissed it. I have some friends who are 3s heads who don’t know the basics of SF IV and say they think it’s scrubby without actually knowing/experiencing why.
Anybody who was good or into any other game before getting good sf iv knows the game is the most scrubby game. People might not agree that it’s a terrible game, or that it sucks, but it is definitely the most noob friendly game<-that’s a bad thing imo.
Those who play it are just in it for the community, the homo love, or because the game is new, or because of the money…either that, or sf iv is the first fighting game they ever got into.
Evo is still a long time ago, so the thread is kind of pointless anyway. My intention wasn’t to derail the thread, I just agreed with ThyAllMighty’s original post.
I’d like to be above discussions that make absolute conclusions about fighting games on matters of preference. The mechanics or SF4 have emphasized tactics that were considered scrubby in previous iterations of SF, but its apples and oranges to me. SF4 is a stand alone game. It only serves to make me look like an embittered player stuck in the past to criticize SF4 based on what I liked in 3s that is different in SF4. I’m not above making off the cuff comments like “SF4 sucks” among friends, but in a serious discussion like this, its a worthless opinion, and nobody should care what games I or anyone else like.
I gave SF4 a chance. I still play from time to time. But I love 3s and 3s alone. I don’t love the community. I don’t love cash prizes. I don’t love media coverage. I don’t love hype. I think community related issues you can discuss with less bias, and I’d probably be inclined to agree with your criticisms of the SF4 community, but I don’t like confusing that with the game itself. If people enjoy the game, its not my business to try to explain to them why they shouldn’t enjoy it.
So this pretty much turns into:
Instead of Justin and Daigo taking your money free in 3s, they get to take it free in SFIV.
…and everyone is happy about that somehow.
(Not to mention tournaments have been getting a lot more expensive since SFIV hit the scene)
Raeli has to be the stupidest poster of all time.
Anyways I can say that I love 3s with a passion I won’t give it up I’ll enter it first instead of any other game in a tournament. But I can’t go and hate sfiv like that it has it’s flaws but it did get alot more people into sf again and they brought in a new wave of players(mostly scrubs like raeli) and brought alot of fighting gamers from different games into one game. So if 3s doesn’t make it in the line up w/e we’ll run our own side tournament singles,teams,ect. So im just hoping people enter 3s!
BTW shout outs to all my 3s brothers!!!:tup:
I played SFIV for 9 months before I dropped it as a serious game. I still play it from time to time and smack a lot of players who spend a large amount of time in it. I don’t even own it, but it’s a simple game so you don’t really need a lot of practice. Playing ST is more than enough to refresh anything I would need for SFIV.
People like raeli, who are trollesque but truly believe what they say at the same time can easily find reasons to rant about 3s and why they think it’s a shitty game. 3s has no gray area, you either love it or hate it, and if you were not captured by it, then you would never understand why we 3s players continue to play.
Personally I don’t really like CvS2. It has nothing to do with tiers or rc or any of the grooves, I just think it’s a sloppy game that was put together really quick for the sake of putting a game out there. It also has its own dedicated community, just like 3s does. I never got into CvS2 seriously so I will never understand why people play it or continue to play it, and as many flaws as I see in it, I’m not going to run my mouth on srk behind a monitor like a little bitch saying why its a shitty game and people who play it are retards.
And one more thing about tiers. Sure, SFIV might have slightly more balanced tiers, but it’s still going to be the same people in the country winning big tournaments. So even if the Chun and Yun players dominated 3s, what the fuck difference does it make if everyone who is winning SFIV tournaments can use a couple other characters? You’re still not going to be beating them any time soon.
Add: Kuroda and Momochi were smacking dudes at SBO. That’s Q and Makoto. They can use other characters as well. Kuroda can use the entire fucking cast and Momochi is a well known Yun player. But they still dominated because of their skill as players and not necessarily the characters they used.
What difference does it make? 3S is boring and stale at EVO. You really think people want to see 3S at EVO when it’s almost always a Chun and Yun stacked top 8? People were booing 3S Chun heavily at EVO2008 and people were yawning throughout the top 8 last year.
And the ‘same people winning tournaments’ is a bad thing for SFIV? What about Marvel or ST? How often to people from the top 8 from Marvel or ST/HDR carry over to the next year? Yet no one was booing Magneto or Claw or Boxer or whoever. The only time anyone ever booed at ST was in 2006 when AE was used, people were booing CE.Dictator, though still not as much as 3S Chun was booed the last two years.
People weren’t booing Justin and Ohnuki when they played 3S because they always make the top 8. People were booing the character, Chun, because she always makes the top 8 and is incredibly stale and boring.
Yes that’s right, they dominated because of a level of play that hasn’t been at EVO in the last few years. When is the last time someone carried Q or Remy or Hugo into the top 8 for 3S at EVO? At EVO people get into the top 8 because they are good but also because they play Chun and Yun, hence those characters appearing very often.
Comparing SBO 3S to EVO 3S should almost be a punishable offense. If EVO 3S was as exciting as SBO was this year, with players like Kuroda and TM using Q and destroying people right and left, not a god damn person on this board would argue against 3S at EVO. The fact is that EVO 3S is about the exact opposite from SBO 3S. No hype, no flash, just boring.
I like 3S. If EVO 3S was on the same level as SBO 3S then that would be great. But it’s not. 3S is old and stale in the U.S. and it’s over at EVO.
I didn’t mention EVO because I don’t care about it as far as 3s is concerned. SBO is mecca. I was just making a general statement.
ok so if everyone acknowledges that 3s is gone from evo why are we having like 100 posts on it