2015 UMVC3 SRK Tier/Theory Discussion. 7/10 First Page Tumblr: Power of snapback, Future power teams

[Din0]

Dante/Dormammu/Magneto was fun until I realized everyone around me plays Wolverine and made me cry too much.

[CriminalUpper]

If people did not throw prop shredder in the first 5 moves of the combo, he’d do above average damage from almost every confirm

It’d be more like average

Too bad so many people are worrying about damage with Dante over refining his grapple reset game (which I only ever see dickwin use)

[Zanza098]

If people did not throw prop shredder in the first 5 moves of the combo, he’d do above average damage from almost every confirm

Precisely. I remember a video where the dante would volcano off a hammer instead of prop shredder. So much more damage. There is a new variation that I’ve been seeing around that involves dante airdashing to airH after the first volcano instead of airH -> air play -> airH then into another volcano to airplay combination. I don’t know how tight the link is b/c I’ve only attempted it for a few minutes in the lab so I can’t comment on how practical it is.

[TenguEgg]

Ya’ll need to start playing Dante on point with turbo turned on, 100% rate of empty canceling into weasel shot and fireworks( puts something ridiculous like 50+ durability on the screen insta ), shit makes my Dante look godlike in casuals.
Play with silent buttons though and break that LED light so niggas cant call you out though.

[GomuGomu]

Dante/Dormammu/Magneto was fun until I realized everyone around me plays Wolverine and made me cry too much.

Those first 10 seconds. :sleep:

[The_Ultimator]

give it a rest mr ultimator, nobody in this thread is serious, they think strange is not trash

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[wolfeagle_847]

Short version: good hitboxes on normals, fast normals with good frame advantage, relatively good movement, unblockable “gimmick,” various approaches (rush down v. zoning), high durability projectile, install super with meter build, good mixups with lockdown, good frame trap, and he kidnaps bitches.

As I mentioned earlier thank you for the response, but since I don’t know much about the character would someone care to elaborate for me (unblockable gimmick, lock down, frame traps, and the kidnapping…)? Also, any names to check into for high level video would be appreciated as well. Again, thanks!

[piskooooo]

In theory? Nigga have you ever watched JRosa, Winnrich or Padtrick ever?

Everyone always does Bird -> Wall Cling but no one blocks it. It’s not really a Strider thing it’s more of a people being retarded thing.

Also I stopped watching local tourney streams a long time ago so I never see them play.

[Discarnate]

Everyone always does Bird -> Wall Cling but no one blocks it. It’s not really a Strider thing it’s more of a people being retarded thing.

Just like Foot Dive.

But we let people use that as an argument for Doom top 3, “better point game than dante”

[Steelguttey]

i was thinking of vergil, but zvd is just too much stronger and dorm and vergil both use the meter, maybe morrigan would be really good

new page, gonna post the message again:
who would like to be involved in a Skype chat that i stream/put on youtube about … tiers…
i will host and try to guide discussion because i am the most unbiased [also so there are things to talk about]
so far tab and danke are interested
deviljin is uninterested ;;
thank you for your time

Im down. Whats it called?

[The_Ultimator]

You say “stuck playing Strider” like its a bad thing.

“fuck yo I gotta have a retarded assist and the 2nd or 3rd most capable run-it-back XF anchor, woe is me :sad:”

strider is ass that guy knows what he’s talking about

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[Steelguttey]

I think we just need to avoid certain topics to keep this thread as smart as possible like:

Dante
Doom
Spider Man
Any low tier character
Any mid tier character
Any high tier character
tier lists
umvc3

[AceKillah]

How bout them Ravens.

[phantasy]

it’s called “marvel theory talk while i play tetris attack” it’s cool

“for the forum by the forum”

[ES_Curse]

So, I think it is established that 49 out of the 50 characters on the roster are better on point than on anchor. What characters are better second than on point, though? For this you need to factor in things like TAC infinites, assists, DHC’s, anti-incoming setups, and how said character becomes better with meter built by the point.

I think the most obvious candidates for this are Dormammu, Frank, Doom, Akuma, and Sentinel. The line gets a bit hazy when you start looking at Magneto, Dante, and Vergil.

[tab]

hsien ko

wait shit i mean she-who-shall-not-be-named

other obvious choices: iron man, trish

[DevilJin_01]

So, I think it is established that 49 out of the 50 characters on the roster are better on point than on anchor. What characters are better second than on point, though? For this you need to factor in things like TAC infinites, assists, DHC’s, anti-incoming setups, and how said character becomes better with meter built by the point.

I think the most obvious candidates for this are Dormammu, Frank, Doom, Akuma, and Sentinel. The line gets a bit hazy when you start looking at Magneto, Dante, and Vergil.

I would say it’s more so that majority of the cast ideally should be point or anchor. Then there’s people that work well in the middle but not too many people that are for sure best in the second spot.

The second spot in general is pretty open to what you want your point character to have access to. I would say only characters that provide strong super support but average to subpar assist support are best second. Characters like Dorm or Vergil kinda fit that bill. Although there’s specific teams where I believe it’s better to have Vergil first just because it generally allows him to end the match extremely quickly.

The game is getting to a point where XF durp isn’t very important now that the teams are so oppressive when all 3 characters or 2 characters are still alive. Basically shells are starting to overtake XF durp.

[piskooooo]

Just like Foot Dive.

But we let people use that as an argument for Doom top 3, “better point game than dante”

At least Doom can actually kill characters =/

[DevilJin_01]

In theory? Nigga have you ever watched JRosa, Winnrich or Padtrick ever?

Piskoooooo has in theory been playing this game against other people.

That’s considering all 3 of those guys you mentioned have extremely unoptimized regular/dark striders and still kill characters or take matches. Like totally sloppy both in neutral and combos and still kill people. Then you watch Marvelo play Dark Strider and it’s obvious that if you let that guy touch the ground you need a super hot DHC/THC to not lose all 3 to basically a 1 man neutral/TOD machine.

They’re like the most un-theory Dark Striders and still prove the theory.

It’s time for more people to step into the future. 2013 Ultimate. Slightly more optimized Ultimate.

Slightly.

Doom and Dante are both great at killing characters

Makes sense to me.

[evilweevle]

There is a new variation that I’ve been seeing around that involves dante airdashing to airH after the first volcano instead of airH -> air play -> airH then into another volcano to airplay combination. I don’t know how tight the link is b/c I’ve only attempted it for a few minutes in the lab so I can’t comment on how practical it is.

i played around with that for a little while and out of the god knows how many attempts i think i only managed to pull the St.H after the first air. H only once. ill try it again at some point but it didnt really seem practical to me at the time.

plus its all well and good saying that such and such a character can get 800k for one meter but then when those combos all start with shit like j.H, st.H its not really a surprise is it?