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I never got what was so good about Modokās beam assist. Most of the better characters in the game crouch it and itās not active for as long as say bolts or drones. Balloon bomb sounds more useful overall even though thatās not necessarily gdlk either.
Plus , does not have the durability of beams. IIRC, barely beats Arthur daggers
Balloon Bomb is godlike. People forget that the only way for it to go away is for you to get hit or for itās duration to run out, and the do stupid shit to break it. Stupid punishable shit.
it is faster than Doomā¦ and more durability, i think it is the 2nd most durable beam in the gameā¦ does good damageā¦ makes opponents crouchā¦ most charcters canāt do much when crouchingā¦
Yeah itās pretty broken for incoming mix ups because the person can just spin around it while it stays on screen forever so thereās no telling when youāll get mixed up. Especially since itās impervious to projectiles for the most part any way. Itās like a one hit agomotto as an assist for defensive purposes that canāt be shot at also.
The duration theyāre going to be crouching is very short because of how quickly the beam releases. If you want them to crouch itās better to have something that actually forces them to crouch for a longer period of time like bolts. Best modok is going to give you for offense is a beam that most characters can duck and then go back to pressing buttons at you real quickly. Ideally itās only really powerful to deal with projectiles that donāt go under its hit box because of the durability.
All of MODOKās assists are good and useful depending on the situation. Beam assist is solid for punishing slower assists with proper timing, Bomb has a great hit-box, combo extensions, and is pretty useful for mix-up attempts, Barrier is underutilized but allows for an amazing incoming game/corner pressure.
Doesnāt Plasma Beam come out further behind than the other beams? It feels like the best Beam assist cover-wise at least, and that durability is ridiculous
Yeah plasma beam is one of the best due to how it can protect you from combos. Since thereās no more invincible assists itās one of the better GTFO me assists. Mainly because of how far Doom stays behind you during the assist and how Marvel 3 allows assists to still release even if the point character is hit before the active frames. The only huge issue with it is the scaling and hit confirming issues if it hits. Youāll want people to block it more so than get hit by it since itās easier to get big benefits from the lockdown into the lack of scaling of they get hit afterwards.
Thatās why I always believed unibeam was the most universally powerful beam because like plasma beam, only a few characters can duck it without using a slide, has great durability, goes full screen and is easy to hit confirm off of on hit or block since it keeps them in place on hit. Someone getting hit by it you can just turn into a mix up into unscaled damage as if they were blocking it any way. Which means itās easy to autopilot mix ups off of whether they blocked it or got hit. Only issue is that Iron Man appears next to you so for defensive purposes youāll want to stay in front of him or keep projectiles out on the screen to make sure heās covered.
Durability is not that ridiculousā¦ 8 x1 and he comes out at about the same as any otherā¦ Modok is 4 x 3 and is fasterā¦ storm is 5 x 3 each whirlwind and there is 3ā¦ in some ways i can see why stormās beam assist is slower than the othersā¦ it would be way to broken if it was much fasterā¦
storm also jumps in front of the characterā¦ stupid design choicesā¦
I am forever salty that whirlwind doesnāt act like a true beam assist or even act more like the marvel 2 version. Iād love to run Viper/Vergil/Storm
I think if they buffed stormās damage a little, and made her assists not suck, sheād be at least as good as mags
Iām tired of repeating this but Damage isnāt Stormās problem, itās meter build. Well, and her assists sucking, that I agree with. If Storm had better meter build sheād be an amazing point character.
Honestly with better meter build Iād have her above Magneto.
DT -> Hailstorm and Hailstorm -> DT/Swords is still pretty nuts
With better meter build, even if she were on Magnetoās level in that regard, sheād still have worse tools than him.
Fair enough, but most of her current problems can be alleviated by putting 2 assists behind her. Maybe damage isnāt her main problem , but meter building for her would be too unlikely of a buff. Honestly, I think buffing her normals, and making cr.M jump cancelable would make her a better point than Mags. Making double typhoon about twice as fast as it is now would be a godsend
this is the unforunate truth. you know the reason why her assists suck? because her moves suck. sheās intentionally designed to be inferior in every regard- itās insane.
Weskerās damage far surpasses Wolverine when his glasses off. I donāt see how anyone can even think its close. Wolverine has to to spend two bars to get over 900k while Wesker can do it with one. No gun loops necessary either. Also Weskerās normals shit on 95% of the cast. Only 2 characters I believe have a better set of normals is Zero and Taskmaster. His cr.M and s.H have as much range, if not more, than most sword normals. Only drawback being his hurtbox is extended while sword characters arenāt.
The way Wesker is viewed on this board is one of the strangest double standards Iāve seen. He fell off the tiers because he wasnāt as threatening as an anchor anymore, but anchor position was never his optimal spot. When I ask why Zero barely ever makes it to top 8 at majors (let alone win one), I get the same answer almost everytime. āNone of the pros have picked him up yet.ā Yea ok thats fine, but I can say the same for Wesker. What pro, besides current Yipes, have you ever seen go to a major and use an optimized Wesker team? Heās always either behind Wolvie or Vergil, in front of Phoenix, or just slapped into the anchor position.
If you read the excerpts for the god tier characters in my blogā¦that was my take on why those 3 characters are above Wesker in overall strength in the meta. Basically comes down to how well you can cover yourself without using an assist. Then when you do cover yourself with an assist it just becomes more stupid. Hitting without being able to be hit for the least resource expenditure.
Tournament wins in this game are more so based on what the player puts together thatās good and makes it work for them. Itās really just player vs. player because thereās so many ways to make a point character work well enough in the current meta where itās more about the player. It will take a while before matchups get refined enough that it really comes down to the nitty gritty where picking characters that control all parts of the neutral is the ideal thing to do.
Its soooooo good and shes scary as fuck with XF. If only her assist didnāt suck :sad: