2015 UMVC3 SRK Tier/Theory Discussion. 7/10 First Page Tumblr: Power of snapback, Future power teams

[SiriusBlack]

Thor is actually a pretty bad start of the round character… In general he can’t catch you if you hold up back and its not like he has a good OS, sure he could command throw you but that is just a huge guess on the Thor players part since if he whiffs he can get punished. Seriously though Thor is not what I would consider a “good” start of round character, infact I would almost call him a “bad” start of the round character

Seriously. He has slow normals and he can’t combo on air throws. That spells bad start of round.

[ironboy89]

I’m pretty sure that Haggar is a great start of the round due to his awesome close range options.

He has a good options selects, a reversal that you must respect, and he can occasionally use his grabs to cover up his whiff.

[DevilJin_01]

Since when has Dante’s air throw converts ever been “wonky and unreliable” all of Dante’s top assist allow him to convert off his air throws with rain storm xx assist xx Hammer (or killer bee). I remember when Drew said Zero’s SJ air throw stuff was finnicky what happened to that? :lol:

Dante is the new Vanilla Doom. Wonk wonk.

Hey everybody ultimate just came out and Vergil is wonky.

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[SiriusBlack]

I’m pretty sure that Haggar is a great start of the round due to his awesome close range options.

He has a good options selects, a reversal that you must respect, and he can occasionally use his grabs to cover up his whiff.

Haggar is the scariest start of round character.

Mindgames galore.

[EnDaNickofTime]

Sorry, what? If Hulk and Thor are “good start of round” characters… you play the matchup like a retard and give them the advantage.

Hulk - don’t go chest to chest. Don’t jump.
Thor - If you do go chest to chest, just jump backwards.

my point is he stated why he thought spencer was a top 10 point, but the characters I mentioned do the same thing as spencer and have better options at the beginning of the round, so are they considered top 10 point characters too?

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Haggar is the scariest start of round character.

Mindgames galore.

I think that’s reserved for magneto.

[HyperShieldSlash]

Mayor is the scariest dude, because he Mayor is the best start of round character, as an optimized Mayor team is gonna kill off anything at start of round.

[phantasy]

haggar is the best start of round character vs all the close range characters, he’ll still struggle with good keepaway options like zero/magneto/modok/morrigan etc etc etc, but he’s got great threats against wesker, spencer, wolverine, vergil?

[FullMetalRoss]

my point is he stated why he thought spencer was a top 10 point, but the characters I mentioned do the same thing as spencer and have better options at the beginning of the round, so are they considered top 10 point characters too?

Thor def has worse options than Spencer at the start of the round though. Seriously, Thor has god awful options at the start of the round. I don’t even know why I bother doing anything but jumping back unless the other person is doing that as well.

[serpentaurus]

Thor is actually a pretty bad start of the round character… In general he can’t catch you if you hold up back and its not like he has a good OS, sure he could command throw you but that is just a huge guess on the Thor players part since if he whiffs he can get punished. Seriously though Thor is not what I would consider a “good” start of round character, infact I would almost call him a “bad” start of the round character

lolno. 1 frame command grab. You can decide the matchup from a blocked dive kick for example. People have to respect Thor at the start. slow normals suck, but 1 frame command grab make up for it. the only character that beat thor at the start is haggar.

Seriously. He has slow normals and he can’t combo on air throws. That spells bad start of round.

mighty hurricane H = 1 frame untechable airthrow. People that complain about Thor options at the start of the round just cant TK mighty hurricane.

[undertheicefloe]

Haggar’s not THAT bad against Morrigan at the start of the round because for her to get her shit going she’s probably going to need to airdash and that’s just asking for a pipe. Modok gives him fits. Zero isn’t that bad - stay midrange and hold a lariat at the ready and you’ll catch him doing something stupid. A smart Magneto is Haggar’s worst matchup easily - the only way you’re catching him is with Jam Session, Vajra or Missiles and those first two assists are not great for Haggar. Or Mystic Ray I guess but uh…

[phantasy]

what if the zero doesn’t do “something stupid”

this is a pretty matchup specific thing but haggar has a really hard time throwing zero at the start of the round due to how zero’s forward H and back H work

this limits haggar’s option to lariat to beat mash throw and that’s about it (blocking something from zero is usually not the best idea since he’ll have buster at that point)

sure zero can’t reliably mix haggar up with M teleport but he doesn’t have to since he zones him out pretty hard, can bait lariats with assist calls, and can punish a lot of haggar’s moves with buster lightning or buster teleport

[FullMetalRoss]

lolno. 1 frame command grab. You can decide the matchup from a blocked dive kick for example. People have to respect Thor at the start. slow normals suck, but 1 frame command grab make up for it. the only character that beat thor at the start is haggar.

mighty hurricane H = 1 frame untechable airthrow. People that complain about Thor options at the start of the round just cant TK mighty hurricane.

So what happens when you go for ground throw and they jump and smack you in the face. Or you go for air throw and they stay on the ground and smack you in the face. Having a command throw doesn’t help as much in the start of the round as a good regular throw because it doesn’t help to cover as many options. Not to mention you can’t command throw on frame 1 and call assists at the same time (well you probably could but it would be difficult to time and getting it frame perfect would be hard)

So yeah you could command throw and it would be stuff. But you could also guess wrong and eat a big combo

Edit: Also doing air command throw would obvioulsy take more than 1 frame as there is height restriction on the tk where as airgrabs are like lol 1 inch of the ground…

[CasualHero]

MODOK is the best start of the round character free.

He don’t care who you are he’s flyin’

[serpentaurus]

So what happens when you go for ground throw and they jump and smack you in the face. Or you go for air throw and they stay on the ground and smack you in the face. Having a command throw doesn’t help as much in the start of the round as a good regular throw because it doesn’t help to cover as many options. Not to mention you can’t command throw on frame 1 and call assists at the same time (well you probably could but it would be difficult to time and getting it frame perfect would be hard)

So yeah you could command throw and it would be stuff. But you could also guess wrong and eat a big combo

Edit: Also doing air command throw would obvioulsy take more than 1 frame as there is height restriction on the tk where as airgrabs are like lol 1 inch of the ground…

guess what, its obvious when they jump and go for air grabs, you just TK hurricane and grab them. Thor can tech, block, 1 frame command grab, chicken block, XFC > hurricane, mighty punish, snapback, etc.

what if their divekick in the face fails and you grab them and kill them, then proceed to kill the team. You cant analyze the scenario assuming Thor is the only one risking stuff when getting close.

dont know what the bolded/edited part means

[Bacon_Manic]

Powda smack!

[scytheavatar]

Don’t talk about XF as if its an inconsistent factor or merely a comeback tool for someone to “resort to”. Its a consistent mechanic with many uses. If Wesker can use XFC > Command Grab to win the same match 3 times in a FT3 set its clearly a fairly consistent tool and if anything its a tool against Wolvie in the matchup not showing that “Wolv >>> Wesker”

It’s a consistent mechanic against someone who doesn’t know how to respond to it. Had Yipes played against someone like Pr Rog or J Wong who actually know how to play Wolverine they would have never done something as stupid as dive kicking Yipes raw, and even if Yipes managed to kill their Wolverine he would be in a disadvantage by wasting his XF that early against players with strong 2nd/3rd characters.

[SiriusBlack]

lolno. 1 frame command grab. You can decide the matchup from a blocked dive kick for example. People have to respect Thor at the start. slow normals suck, but 1 frame command grab make up for it. the only character that beat thor at the start is haggar.

mighty hurricane H = 1 frame untechable airthrow. People that complain about Thor options at the start of the round just cant TK mighty hurricane.

But… that’s all he can do. So watch your spacing, which isn’t hard with his incredibly slow walk speed and average jump.

And sorry, but Wesker and Felicia have more options and a 1 frame command grab… so Haggar isn’t the only character that’s better at start of round.

[serpentaurus]

But… that’s all he can do. So watch your spacing, which isn’t hard with his incredibly slow walk speed and average jump.

And sorry, but Wesker and Felicia have more options and a 1 frame command grab… so Haggar isn’t the only character that’s better at start of round.

their command grab is not air ok. haggar is better but not because command grab: Lariat.

[SiriusBlack]

their command grab is not air ok. haggar is better but not because command grab: Lariat.

They don’t need an air ok command grab, they can combo off their air throws. Thor’s air command grab is a guess. Their air grabs are an option select.