And Dante has the tools to stay safe, keep other point characters from bopping him, and exactly that, set stuff up. Dante also has great normals to smack people with should they try to get in his range. Not to mention DT and crazy meter build. Which we are supposed to disregard. In which case DT away.
I agree other point characters have better stuff, I never said he was better than Zero/Vergil/Viper/Mags on point. But he’s a good bet for that 5th top character.
I think he’s top 10 on point but IMO Spencer/Wolverine/Wesker are stronger points.
A good Ironman can flood out Vergil by just doing cr.h missile into unibeam while calling assists.
It also doubles as an option select into repulsar blast should he find room to teleport.
But Vergil has so much start up on his tools he really has no choice but to put on swords in order to move.
That or try to jump forward H to maybe close distance.
Ironman XF guard cancel cr. m also blows Vergils whole world up should Vergil find himself within its range. Heaven forbid he do a helmbreaker
I’m not even gonna bother breaking down the Strange match up. I’ll let people sit on their ignorance.
People need to learn the damn match ups. I dont underestimate any character. I make it my business
to know options of every character because I refuse to let myself lose to dumb shit that should be common knowledge on how to deal with.
If a character needs to use x-factor to go even with another character, then the matchup isn’t really even.
Dash up Shield Skills + assist = trouble for Vergil. The only thing that Vergil has to keep things in his favor is using the Gucci Belt/Devil Trigger.
Shield Skills out prioritizes Vergil st.H and option selects into a throw. 1 Back Throw in corner/ near corner = 50% life gone. Taskmaster’s beefy health prevents him from dying off a stray hit (sans X-Factor), meanwhile a stray hit from Task can lead to dead Vergil.
If Vergil calls a beam assist to do a teleport mixup for example, Shield Skills beats them both and can catch a Happy Birthday. Vergil cannot Rapid Slash either because of Shield Skills OS.
Tasky also can out-footsie Vergil with st. M, st. H, Shield Skills, and dash up Sting Master (sort of like a Stinger that’s safe). Vergil cannot hope to play a long-ranged game either because he does not have the health to take chip.
Unless you take all reasonable options into consideration you aren’t learning the match up.
The way people approach Vergil has gotta change if they view him as that much of a threat. Which he is.
Thats why you take the opportunity to kill Vergil’s for being naive.
Thor XF guard cancels Vergil upclose with a command grab & takes half his life
GR does the same with his lvl 3 & kills him outright
XF is another option.
Dr Strange has the option to not let ya point character play the game.
When XF isnt an option it must mean you used it already or you arent playing mzrvel 3…
If we’re taking XFC’s into account, then nearly every single character in the game apparently has a good matchup against vergil.
XF and incoming mix ups allows everyone to fight Vergil and keeps him balanced.
Wesker has that wall bounce move can’t he combo into that and raw tag to Strange?
oh fuck wolverine and storm hooked up in the comics
JUSTIN WONG TO WIN EVERY 2013 MARVEL TOURNAMENT
edit: mohawk storm
also vergil outfootsies task by miles because his fucking st.h (which is further than his st.m, which is shorter than vergil’s st.l for god knows what reason) goes like a full character length further than task’s st.h while moving his hurtbox away instead of forward and is faster to boot. shield charge is cool and i like using that but doing it vergil with an assist is kind arough
If you arent taking every option into account then you aren’t doing it right.
how is spencer a strong point character?
Yipes vs Unknown this year at APEX
Wolvie vs Wesker
Yipes won 3-2 XFCanceling blockstun of a blocked divekick and using wesker 1 frame command grab three times to kill Wolverine. I’m with Saga in this, XFC tools are strong and can decisive in the matchups. All the characters with 1 frame command grabs have this momentum shift tool at their disposal and it shouldnt be ignored.
dont know if you are serious or joking. But yeah, thor is fast. Some people think he is slow, then they get OCV by mighty strike and his tridash air wavedashing and change their minds.
actually spidermans dash cancelled TAC is useless. i played around with it a lot for trying to set up TACS for levelling up frank west, and the opp is actually able to TAC counter both TACS, so it doesnt matter if they are mashing or not, they only have to guess one of them right and they will break out, and since nobody is ever gonna do a double TAC in the same direction both times, you are basically giving them a 66% chance to break out rather than only 33%.
Zero still has a miles better throw game than Dante anyway. Even with most assists Dante’s throw conversions are often wonky and unreliable. With any horizontal moving assist Zero can convert his throws to kills reliably
With a Low OTG assist Dante can convert his throws AND get unblockables from said assist as well. But then again, I agree that Zero > Dante. But relatively, to the rest of the cast, they both have the toolsets necessary to become top point characters.
Since when has Dante’s air throw converts ever been “wonky and unreliable” all of Dante’s top assist allow him to convert off his air throws with rain storm xx assist xx Hammer (or killer bee). I remember when Drew said Zero’s SJ air throw stuff was finnicky what happened to that? :lol:
Exactly. Great example. Unknown was such a fraud by not respecting Yipes Wesker. Its like he didnt learn the first time.
I remember when I was playing RoyalFlush & I was mauling his Thor and he XF guard canceled my Vergil & killed him instantly. Terrible things happen when you dont respect or know options. I made sure I baited it out the next time by staying at a distance & placing judgement cuts with swords on. So that never happened again.
-_- Its why Thor & Strange are mocked. No one cares to know or respect their options until they getting blown up.
I rate Thor upper- mid over Spencer and Wesker & Strange top 2 for a reason…
i think wolverine is slightly better for a few reason.
-hes the best starting character in the game. wesker comes close but wolverine edges him out.
-he can keep the momentum better than wesker. like mvc2 magneto, once hes on you, he’ll stay on you forever. the only character that does that better than him is firebrand. in exchange, wesker has projectiles.
-he can kill majority of the characters without dhcs, tacs or level 3’s.
that being said, his bad matchups is not as glaring as weskers since all he need to do is get the first hit, gain momentum and win.
wesker is more balanced, but in marvel, being broken >> being balanced.
Shield Skills does not outprioritize Vergil’s buttons. It comes out faster, but it doesn’t have more priority, Vergil’s buttons even stL are sword normals and can stuff Shield Skills in the proper range.
Taskmaster outfootsies every single character in the game except Wesker who he goes evenish with, and Vergil who’s buttons are simply better and slightly faster. IMO his only real bad matchups are Morrigan(7-3) and Vergil (6-4), but when Vergil Activates DT or Spiral Swords Task is pretty free. Not to mention that doing jumping M arrows or standing L arrows is a big commitment vs Vergil due to his teleport and Task’s floaty jump and startup on things. Taskmaster’s hitboxes are good but not as good as Vergil. See here(for evidence not normally discussed at this thread on why Vergil is top tier free):
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The one edge he gets in this matchup that most characters don’t get is that Shield Skills like you said blows up assist + teleport blockstrings and blows up his Round Trip blockstrings. Other than that it relies on Task punishing Vergil’s mistakes.