WTF…
The whole point of the tier thread as it is is to discuss future potentials and not just drone on about what’s the best now. You don’t need a tournament tier list because its mostly going to consist of who’s winning with whatever they’ve been working the hardest with. Every stream monster already knows the tournament tier list so there wouldn’t be much to discusss. Everything else is people complaining that the thread is about what its about.
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Ghost Rider is the counter to Vergil
Good luck getting ppl to pick him up though, even as a pocket character
Tournament tier list. #1 Doom #2 Spencer because people think he’s unpunishable #3 Morrigan #4 Wesker #5 Vergil #6 Wolverine #7 Magneto #8 Hulk #9 Haggar #10 Sentinel because of how many teams he’s on. Dante and Zero somewhere at the bottom near Hsien-Ko and Phoenix Wright cuz results.
/tournament tier thread
You theory guys are funny. Whenever your theory squad doesn’t place you guys throw tantrums. It’s rather sad to see.
Will you guys actually act your age and recognize there’s something wrong with the theory.
Ill make sure to tell Chrisis to start acting his age.
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I’d rather you tell him to amend his theory or prove it in tournies.
For years people swore the world was flat and rejected anyone who theorized otherwise because no one went past what was considered the edge of the world.
Stupid people not acting their age saying the world is round and shit. Throwing tantrums when they sail off the edge of the earth past China.
The guy proved the world was round. Yeah he was shunned but once he proved the theory…
I’m sorry but what theories were disproved?
That 1 of the few top Zero players couldn’t make it past top 16?
That 1 of the few top Vipers couln’t get 1st or 2nd?
I’m lost.
I guess Magneto and Phoenix aren’t as good as Frank West, Skrull, Ammy and Wolverine now. Tournament results prove it.
If you’re aware of the mistake that the world made so long ago in shunning people for making theories. Why make the same mistake now?
Sometimes I really don’t understand. If the simple concept of tolerance to other opinions can’t get through to one’s head then leave on the principle that you shouldn’t come into a** theory discussion thread** if you dislike theory discussion.
See that’s thr childish shit I’m talking about. Doom being bad Dante iver doom cviper da bess zero da bess zero Dante strider the best team in the game execution doesn’t matter. Wolverine isn’t viable should I continue or do you need to fix your face?
Firebrand da bess
Logic is one of those principles not supported by tournament results.
This thread is mighty ass. Imma put my input in and Imma leave, because niggas are truly fooling in this thread lol.
Doom:
Doom in terms of support and on point is top 3. Missiles is a top assist in the game. It anti-airs, locks down and gives you free fuzzies. Godlike. Plasma beam is also ridiculously good. Molecular shield is his worst assist and I have been seeing alot more utility with it lately.
On point, he has some god awful match-ups. Zero, Hawkeye, Magneto might give him trouble, Captain America, Dormammu/Doom is such a bad match-up smh, Vergil can get bad sometimes etc. However, dude can hold his own. He is anti-rush down. The hitbox of footdive is the size of Florida. If they dash in, just jump and throw it out there and dash cancel it. If they block it, oh well, you like +1 or +2 on it. Air photon shots stop scrubby rushdown (No teleports, just straight up ground dashing and super jumping and air dashing). Plasma beam is a full screen ball buster for rushdown. Hidden Missiles THC = Safe and bodies the ground game, especially with Ammy or Dormammu or whatever you want you use that punishes not blocking and shit.
His rushdown game is also really underrated and for some reason not considered. Doom with Ammy is the most ridiculous shit ever. You don’t know whats gonna happen to your life when Ammy comes out lol. Dude can kill you off a throw, so his mixup game is pretty good. Low, high, cross up or throw in the corner is good enough for a mixup game.
Doom is ridiculous. If he isn’t Top 3 to yall, then yall are stupid.
Dante:
Dante is a very good character, not just as an assist, but on point. Dude has every tool that a good character needs except damage. Damage alone doesn’t win matches. Look at Ironfist. Ass as fuck, but does hella damage. The characters toolsets do. If Zero didn’t have LLs and he had shitty damage, I think he still would of been ridiculous in this game because of his toolset.
Dante is a failed glass cannon. He has the toolset of a glass cannon, but he doesn’t have the damage of a traditional glass cannon. However, there is nothing that says that you can’t use his tools and not get any good damage with proper assists and DHC compatibility.
Jam session is top 5 assist free. No discussing that. We allllll agree on that.
But Dante has the toolset to deal with every single match-up. He can zone well, his rushdown is great, safe DHC, etc. So solid to me at least. st. B is retarded. Movement is good, etc.
Because he is made out of glass, but not a cannon, people consider him ass. I think he is very solid though. You have to either play him on point with 2 godlike assists behind him or play him on anchor. Just like Strider, except Dante OBVIOUSLY does more damage on him. He’s in the upper quartile of the game, like 13th or 12th.
Wolverine:
Wolverine is a good ass character. Very straight forward, but hella good footsies and ridiculously fast. However, lets stop roid raging. Niggas going off like, “Wolverine is so stupid. Lol BAN.”
Wolverine still has glaring weaknesses that have been exposed numerous of times in UMVC3. Maybe it was a troll, but holy fuck you guys worry me with your nonsense in this thread lol.
Ok, thats pretty much it for now.
Also wanna get your opinions on this.
Doom/Vergil
Morrigan/Doom
Doom/Strider
Doom/Ammy
Dante/Strider
Vergil/Magneto
Magneto/Doom
Dormammu/Doom
Doom/Phoenix
Zero/Dante
Wesker/Magneto
Dante/Vergil
These are the shells I think will end up being amongst the best in the game when its all said and done. What do you guys think about this?
Also, Doom/Vergil = Best shell. They work so well for each other.
Greeks figured out the circumference of the earth by measuring the curvature of the horizon. That’s theory as shit nigga.
level 4+ frank might be the best character in the game or top 2. he shits on everybody, has no bad matchups, kills anybody important with optimal combos, controls all of the air and the ground, has stupid welcome mixups that are also safe, can hit confirm from anywhere air or ground from almost any range, does crazy chip damage, and he’s so easy to level.
he is S tier free. I don’t like tiering individual characters anymore since he is not S tier unless he’s with Nova or Skrull point or Dante assist but on a legit team he is S tier, one of the best uses of a character slot.
thinking out loud, early team tier list
[details=Spoiler]Point Vergil (Vergil/beam or tatsu or shopping cart/jam or strider)
Point Zero (Zero/beam/jam)
Point Viper (Viper/beam or long lockdown/jam or strider)
Morrigan (Morrigan/missiles/anchor or Battery/Morrigan/missiles)
Magneto (Magneto/beam/jam or Magneto/jam/drones or or Magneto/Doom/Vergil…)
Frank (Vergil/Frank/beam or Skrull/Frank/Doom or Nova/Frank/Doom or Spencer/Frank/Dante or Skrull/Frank/Dante…)
Nova (Nova/Spencer/Strange or Nova/Spencer/drones)
Dormammu (Magneto/Dormammu/missiles)
Wesker (Wesker/horizontal/Strider)[/details]
frank #6 in the game.
only chars I see as totally required pairs are Zero/jam, Frank/levelup, Wesker/Strider, Morrigan/missiles, Viper with either jam or STrider
seriously we gotta start doing team tier lists otherwise this argument about whether or not Doom belongs in top 3 will never end.
Uh? Who said “Doom is bad?” Who said “Wolverine isn’t viable?”
If anyone’s being childish it’s you with your consistent exaggerations and embellishment.
At the end of the day, there’s this little variable that adds to the theories proposed: the fact that humans are playing this game.
I could play Magneto/Vergil/Doom or whatever top tier, end game team you want to propose and if I can’t block and do punishable shit I’d very possibly lose to a Phoenix Wright/Hsien-Ko/Ghost Rider team. No amount of theoretical or result based tiering will change that.
Hell, T Hawk is supposedly the worst character in AE… but I still see him win because of player decisions. Now, take that and apply it to Marvel where one bad decision can cost you your entire team.
The only thing I disagree with strongly is Wesker/Mags shell and Phoenix being part of a shell thats considered end game.
Doom/Phoenix isn’t much of a “traditional” (for lack of a better word) shell as they don’t seem to do much for each other alone, other than Doom’s retarded meter build. Yes this is a great asset to Phoenix but other shells are Point Char/Assist+DHC/THC Option. Maybe I’m just suffering from extreme tunnel vision but this is how I see it for now. They just don’t do as much for each other as say Viper/Dante or Doom/Ammy imo.
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Just read the threads if it’s not in this one it’s prob in the stream or the older thread tier thread.
There’s player skilled involved which I don’t deny. Also the fact that people play this game yet no one tries to take into account human factors or elements. Niggas laugh when people say execution matters or write it off. People get scoffed at for bringing up ease of use.
Yet people pretend that shit can be done consistently at every moment in any situation because of what they can do in training mode.
I’m done though this is pointless i need to go practice my Zero Cviper fitebrand.
I say Wesker/Magneto is gonna be end game is because of how solid the THC compatibility and how ridiculous the assist is. Also extra points for TAC combos with Magneto. Its definitely the weakest of the shells I listed but I feel as though its gonna be kinda like that Rogue/Tron shell in Marvel 2. By that I mean a really good shell, but there are better alternatives to the shell (like Vergil/Magneto). Wesker gets hella options for Magneto assist, teleport. Its so good to me shrug.
I say Doom/Phoenix is gonna be end game because of the fact that Doom’s infinites and ability to run it back and turtle. If I were to play Wesker/Doom/Phoenix or some shit and I get the hit, there is a 33% chance that you are not only dead, but Im getting 4 bars for the next character because of the TAC infinite. And lets say Wesker does die. Doom is coming in. He isn’t a sitting duck when he comes out. He can dash up, dash down, dash left or right, footdive, etc. He can turtle it out or run up and get a random hit and build a bar and some change, with a possible TAC from Phoenix or a reset from Doom, which really sinks a Marvel playing man’s balls getting hit by that.
Idk, I literally compiled the list to see what my community said. They said the same thing you said about Wesker/Magneto and they not feeling Dante/Strider or Doom/Phoenix much, but they really thought Wesker/Magneto wasn’t endgame.
Okay I may be trolling a bit with MODOKs BUT I see a lot of problems solved with MODOK. That and I get a lot of mileage out of the character and I’m
a pretty ass player. Mileage against pretty decent players at that (albeit casuals)