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When will people realize just because a character is on the winning team of people who win majors it doesn’t make the character better than the rest without question.
For me Dante is at least mid tier. He has good assists and brings a awesome THC. I can deal with him pretty well though, specially online (most online Dantes just know teleport + “helm breaker”, lag helps you to block if there is an assist crossing up :D)
He is a worst version of Vergil overall.
Well, Vergil has a bigger dick.
Saying that Doom is winning majors , is like giving credit to Dante on a Zero/Dante team.
Morridoom is winning majors, not Doom
So because dooms air game is weak against a handful of characters it’s bad? I see what exactly does dante do vs those characters?
Damn if only there had been a doom player dominating the west coast without morrigan…
Careful we don’t want to bring results into a theory thread.
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For me Dante is at least mid tier. He has good assists and brings a awesome THC. I can deal with him pretty well though, specially online (most online Dantes just know teleport + “helm breaker”, lag helps you to block if there is an assist crossing up :D)
He is a worst version of Vergil overall.
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(most online Dantes just know teleport + “helm breaker”, lag helps you to block if there is an assist crossing up :D)
He is a worst version of Vergil overall
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(most online Dantes just know teleport + “helm breaker”, lag helps you to block if there is an assist crossing up :D)
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This can’t be used in an argument because the game isnt built around online or played online at the highest level.
Vergil and Dante are very different characters anyway, and are far from clones or palette swaps.
not just a handful of characters, if you notice those are among the ones that you’re most likely to see at a tournament. Outside of Hawkeye.
holy shit this post is awful.
Man, theory thread went full retard pretty quick.
I was dismissing the false notion that Doom “never has to be on the ground.” Also add Strange to that list that forces him out of super jump height - that list wasn’t exclusive, merely exemplary. Hell V Joe shuts Doom down.
But, if I must. Teleport characters can close the gap on Morrigan, Hawkeye, Strange and Dorm to maul them if their main focus is zoning. Teleports timed well can screw up Morrigan’s inputs. The mere fact that Dante has a teleport makes all those characters’ zoning strategy sub-optimal. Tack on the fact that he has his own projectiles and Devil Trigger and zoning is less of an issue. I’m not going to run down the intricacies of each matchup because as I said that wasn’t the intent of my post. But pretending Doom is some untouchable aerial character is laughable as many characters even make Zero cautious about what he does in the air.
Firebrand/Dorm/Dante feels more like a Firebrand-optimized team than Dorm though. Which of Firebrand’s assists really help Dorm? Dante/Dorm/Magneto feels more like a optimized Dorm-based team.
You mean since post 1?
That makes more sense. The Dante teleport thing isn’t necessarily true. With Dante you just gotta bait him into the teleport and punish. If catches you out there then that’s a different story. Also for me knowing where Dante will be every time he teleports makes it easier to punish. I don’t have to guess where he will be. That’s pretty big difference when compared to other characters who can teleport.
Both characters are top tier support characters and will make up most of the end game teams due to the strength of their support value.
But if you actually think Dr Doom’s point capabilities are anywhere near as good as Dante’s you are crazy. The only flaws Dante has is crappy startup on normals and the worst punishment ability in the game.
Other than that he has it all and is complete as characters get while doing well vs most of the top tiers except Vergil(but who beats Vergil in the first place). Unlike Doom who relies on the opponent actually fucking up their combo or keepaway to actually win. Let’s count dropped combos into reversal footdives as why Dr Doom is top 3 after Thor/Strange shall we?
That may be the case. But he at least has that as a lesser option to Devil Trigger whereas Doom just bends over and takes it while praying for a mistake.
I just love to here how Doom is apparently deserves all credit for winning over Magneto, and Vergil
If Doom is apparently top 3 before Morrigan by results, there is something wrong with you.
lol
People still believe Dante’s teleport is punishable. It is not. You are throwing him out of the startup of jH/jS. His teleport is not humanly punishable nor punishable by AI. Please test this stuff before spreading this around. And with the assists he should be using (Disruptor/Vajra), you have to hold extremely thoughtful 100% safe full screen 50/50s.