I do remember Combofiend saying “I fucking hate this character!” And sure enough without zangief being pass midtier he is receiving nerfs but i dont really think he’d do that also he can’t compete in tourneys.
Could be wrong though.
People think Zangief beats their character because they can’t run all over him and they actually have to take their time and fight him. Guy vs Gief is 6~4. Guy players use him as a rushdow character and since you can’t rushdown Zangief for free they think that it’s 7~3 and it is not.
This is very disheartening I mean my Gief was terrible as compared to you most of you fellas here and saw how much work it took to even attempt to make matchups close as possible but this is ridiculous. Also so far Hugo isn’t looking like much of an alternative neither.
This, this is exactly what I experience aswell. Just because you cannot use your favourite tool against Zangief doesn’t make gief beat your character. People just dont get it, its so anoying.
Thought Gief was the combo grappler…
I seriously dont see why Zangief is getting this type of treatment when fucking Cammy and Akuma are most likely remaining the same if not better than their AE 2013 versions.
Fucking best post ever. This is exactly what I thought when I heard Combofiend was hired. I knew he hated grapplers and that Gief would get screwed yet again. Why the fuck is he nerfed after every damn revision of this game why? With these bullshit changes and everyone else seemingly getting better what the fuck do Gief players do now? There seems to be this magical myth out there that Gief is somehow op something. SnakeEyez, seriously man you have to talk to Combofiend if you can. These changes are bullshit.
Exactly. I don’t know why Guy players never think to actually stay still and play fucking footsies. “Oh my run stop bullshit shenanigans don’t work so the MU must be 7-3.” Yea, if I run face first into Hadokens and furiously mash lariat/SPD then the Ryu MU is 7-3 too. People play like scrubs, kill themselves and then claim the MU is bad.
Also, I’m not sure how much of a coincidence it is that a Guy player is in charge of overseeing balance changes and somehow his “worst MU” who, by community consensus, hovers around low mid-tier, magically gets nerfed into the ground. Fucking bullshit.
“Every grappler has their own unique characteristic that makes them a threat in addition to their powerful throws. For Zangief, it’s combos; for T.Hawk, it’s his air control; and for Hakan, it’s his uncanny oil movement. Well for Hugo, we think it’ll be his corner pressure. Once he puts you there, you may never get out!” - Combofiend 2013/11/15
I don’t play Zangief, or even like Zangief. But this is just silly
From what i have heard, even hugo can combo into his EX lariat from lights, and his c.jab is good.
For Zangief, it’s combos. What combos? cr.lp, cr.lp, st.lk xx LPGH - puts you at HUGE risk and is not viable! After the fact, churning 360 bread and butters is not viable!!! And will get you killed!!!
Combofiend is thinking too one dimensionally, and completely disrespecting these characters repertoire as a whole.
The pen is mightier than the sword, these powerful throws, mean nothing. If you can never land them.
Highly disrepectful. If Zangief were to stay like this it would be impossible to beat Sagat, Ryu, Ken… Well anyone with a fireball and also every character Gief lost to before. Red focus isn’t going to do anything more for Gief than other characters. I’ve always tried to test out talking to other high level players at super arcade and i always get the response of “But you have a command grab” which right afterwards i always end up laughing and walking away. Yeah, thats what happens. Or i get “Yeah but you have lp spd!” Which somehow gives Zangief immunity to buffs when a update comes around.
I just have a very simple question for Capcom. It seems that most if not all of Giefs bad or iffy mu’s are getting better and he’s no doubt getting worse again so what the hell are Gief players supposed to do now? Sagat and Seth now look like 10-0 mu’s, good shit Capcom. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that Combofiend is a rush down type of player and look what’s happening to Gief.
I just want to reiterate, that LPGH being -2 on hit will mean that:
Ultra 1 Zangief is dead to up back.
Both Zangief’s will be dead to 3-4 frame normals and the option selects to punish back dash from these normals.
Hit confirming into LPGH would be like going to Vegas, and playing Russian Roulette with a gun to your head. As painful as it sounds. It’s an uphill battle you can’t win. Only winning the lottery will save you.
Might as well delete Zangief’s EX/Super meter from the game. Because you won’t have a reason to use it anymore.
High level players are acting like Giefs Lp SPD is some god mode special? Fuck is this? LP SPD isn’t something you can throw out randomly and have it land 99% of the time.
If you don’t train your opponent to not expect LP SPD, or you don’t punish normals with it; you most likely wont land it.
With the changes LP SPD only has 0.05 more range than thawk LP spd. And his spd gives safe jumps, crossups, unblockables… pretty much anything you want. Also with his walk speed buff he has a easier time landing it.
Edit: Actually thawk light spd gets range increased.
It seems like Capcom wants some matchups to be so bad to were you’d absolutely have to pick a different character so that the game offers more character diversity for spectators.
I don’t think this would do that though. It would only lead to people just picking top tiers.
Thats one of the things I like about SF4 is being able to stick with one character and overcoming these bad matchups and being able to play with a certain character so well that it seems unrealistic.
lol, Zangief doesn’t even get that plane ride to Vegas because he CAN’T hit confirm into LPGH, or any GH anymore. And Snake, it’s a shame that you too gotta take that shit about how Zangief is eternally fine because of LP SPD. I would’ve thought the top players in your scene knew better than that.
And while Capcombo is so concerned about neutering anything makes Gief even remotely playable, I wonder if it dawned on them how fucked he is because of Red Focus because he literally has zero moves that break armor. It’s okay though, guys. +3 on hit for far st.MK, so all we eat now is SRK xx Ultra for landing hits. Progress.
