Just to clear up this “side show” thing in the newly made Evo FAQ on the front of the website (before it was edited) the Super SFIV ladies event was sub labeled as a “side show event”. Though of course for political correctness and overall lack of screaming about nothing…they edited it. Thanks to the powers of the internet. Now cry moar.
Oh and Japan ladies showing interest? Win button for Evo.
Yo all I got to say is ChocoBlanka has shown some interest in this tournament! Not saying shes coming down for sure but she has taken notice of this event. This is the word on the streets at the moment. So with this being said I think the tournament can’t be all that bad if some top female players from Japan are thinking about coming down.
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I like chocoblanka making top 8 in the real SSFIV tourney
this bet is still live. no replies so far.
I’d put money on no one taking your bet except that someone could just take my bet, and use the money to take your bet 
Chocoblanka in female tournament? lol can you say free?
I read this entire thread again just to gain some more understanding of people’s opinions (especially the tournament organizers’) and also to find out how the explosion of trolls on page 6 happened. All I have to say is people… please stop writing “femme fetal”… it’s painfully awkward to read…
FYI: Femme fatale = an irresistibly attractive woman, esp. one who leads men into difficult, dangerous, or disastrous situations; siren…
Fetal = of, pertaining to, or having the character of a fetus
I like your avatar. :3
Painfully hilarious!
No one’s even calling it Femme Fatale anymore since that name has been deemed anti PC. Plus…people will listen to advice to spell right on the internet?
To those who seem to think that the whole thing will somehow become a joke because of the fact that women haven’t yet established themselves as being on the same competitive level as men, I’m reminded of John Milton, who wrote “They who have put out the people’s eyes, now reproach them of their blindness.”
Between this thread and the one that got closed, I kept seeing the same comment over and over - something to the effect that women just don’t have what it takes to be competitive. Complete and utter nonsense. On a biological level, there’s nothing preventing women from being competitive in Street Fighter. It doesn’t require physical strength, it requires good reflexes, good decision making skills, lots of practice against good competition, and a competitive attitude, all things that women excel at in as many fields as i can think of.
Is there a single person here who could determine the gender of a player just by watching match footage? No? Didn’t think so.
Personally, I think it’s really great to see that there’s a women’s tournament this year at Evo - but it’s a top down measure, which may have some effect on the overall community for those women who are interested, but it pales in comparison to what could be done from the BOTTOM UP - ie, what can we do in our local scenes, in our communities, to make the scene more inviting to women? throwing our sexist comments in the trash could help. As could working to include women not just in a player’s capacity, but also in a decision making/organizing capacity for various events…
Anything that helps to make our scene more inclusive, more diverse, and less insular is a good thing.
This is awesome, I really hope I can actually get to Evo soon. I truly commend you guys.
The most important result of this will be that it will create heroes for girls in the hobby. There is a much deeper connection when there are recognizable great woman players, and having them show up on YouTube can have similar effect in drawing women into serious play as things like the Daigo evo moment did for the hobby in general. It will attract more and more women and give them real reason to get better at the game. It will make it more likely in the long run to have women drawn to the game who are the calibur of the more memorable male names and even possible champions in the open given a few years.
And this;
Seriously, you have no idea the awesome this invites. A lot of feminists have trouble accepting this regardless of what the medical community says, you guys just proved a bunch of gaming nerds are smarter than feminists.
If I cannot make it this year, I will make it next for sure. I am facing a promotion to management right now and trying to plan a trip stateside with that on the agenda is very unrealistic, but I will be behind everyone and will aim for next season.
There is a difference between sucking and underrepresentation. I mostly agree with the sentiment, however I think you are missing this key point. An event full of nerdy boys tends to scare a lot of girls away for one thing, plus on top of that women not topping male events does not equate to all women sucking. You need to look at statistics.
There is also a shortage of obvious heroes and role models for the female gamers in the tournies, having their own separate tournie will have a much higher chance of attracting even more female players by providing them players o relate to. One decent match on YouTube will do wonders for attendance the next season and overall provide more highly skilled female players by providing players the new ones can look up to and are in public eye.
Yeah reverse racism/sexism sucks and is still racism/sexism, but sometimes in a round about way it is the best idea to get results.
If you really think about it, it’s pretty much akin to how Japan gives us a SBO spot. They know we suck and are gonna get trounced first round but still forces a lot of leveling up and a goal for USA players. They know we have an important role in the community overall, even if we’re not at the level they are in those games.
Uhhh… what the fuck. Way to discredit feminists as one of the pillars supporting the LGBT community.
Why are you hellbent on trying to get a decent match of a girl owning in a girls only tournament on YouTube? You mentioned YouTube twice. Honestly, the kind of people who search YT for “girl” and “Street Fighter” probably aren’t the type of people who are searching for respectable, skilled, female SFIV players…
And if you think holding this female-only tournament is going to get you the results you’re looking for (a top-tier female Daigo) you’re wrong. I apologize to the ladies that competed in AI’s LOSF tournament months ago, but most of the footage of that tournament that was published on the internet was interviews with the pretty contestants, photoshoots, and more interviews with pretty contestants. I was trying my damn hardest to find actual footage of the tournament but could hardly find any, and when I asked someone who was there how the tournament went… they said, and I quote, “it was pitiful… worse than XBL”. Ouch. That’s not a problem for the girls competing, a lot of them had like only a month of practice, if it got them on their way to playing more and improving, or encouraged them in some way… that’s great (although it doesn’t appear that it has for most of them). But to get footage of a female Daigo in the U.S (HAHA), there has to be one in existance first. If their skill level is just par at best, then the only real reason they’re being recorded is cuz they’re a girl. If you think this is a great idea, then you’re probably an attention whore and I’m wasting my time.
Assuming you’re not, I’m going to continue… if you really think seeing a pro SFIV playing girl out there at Evo (I don’t know of any but maybe a couple girls leveled up recently) is going to help the community, the best way she could make an impact is to beat a guy. A pro guy even. Send a pro guy to losers at Evo. Sound familiar? cough [media=youtube]R64arJ1dqBc[/media] cough… I think this video had a lot more impact than any video a girls’ only tournament could produce.
What a great way to dismiss the entire issue. You’re right though… For example the exploitation of African labor (slavery) created the foundation of this country’s economy, but even though racism is cruel as fuck, sometimes, in a silly “roundabout way” it’s the “best idea to get results”… u______
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The views of feminists in regards to Transsexual people has gone downhill for decades. While there are definitely many supportive and accepting of us as women, there is an alarmingly loud and outspoken majority who hold us in even greater contempt than men. Yes it is more the militant feminists and crazies, but as with any group of people it is the loud militant crazies which get heard the most. Among the LGBTI community, to even many in the community Trans individuals are often viewed as some sort of joke.
For the most part you are right. Most people searching the web for Street Fighter girls will be looking for Chun Li/Cammy Hentai sadly. It isn’t those folk that are the intended targets. There will also be girls who enjoy the game looking for matches, and finding some who has placed (even in a segregated sidematch) will feed the desire of a lot of otherwise frustrated players. Just seeing girls taken seriously on some level is a major plus.
I definately feel the ultimate and ideal goal is to have women beating men at their own game, however to accomplish this we need a way to attract more girls to play and give them incentive to put that extra effort out there.
You kinda answered yourself with the bolded part, but I will get to that.
It isn’t about getting video footage of a female Daigo, it is about getting footage out there that can have similar impact on inspiring people and attracting new more dedicated players. We just do not have the numbers, and being so overwhelmed can discourage a lot of people.
We really need some serious match vids of girls taking some sort of gold in a name event, and with the lacking number of us to represent we do not have good odds at that at all. We need a beacon, a Hero. This is not for the existing female players who take the game seriously and aim to improve themselves already and do compete, this is for the ones out there that do not even realize that there are girls at these tournaments in the first place. It is much the same way the Daigo clip inspired a lot of players who dabbled but took these games for granted by showing what excellence is. These vids of female top players do not even have to be as good as the stuff we get out of the final pools at Evo, they just have to be there and available. Girls need to see they aren’t just going to be laughed out of the community and that people like them can learn the game as deeply as the male players.
Ideally there would be some way to do this without resorting to what appears as segregation, however truthfully there will be a large number of girls out there who will see the name Evo and the 1st place and see it as a beacon. Once we have drawn some more meat into the player pool we will have much more to work with and grow from.
And the tournie with a bunch of cute chicks who’d played for a month and they focussed on interviews and such is agreeably horrid. It isn’t hope, it is pandering.
On the Daigo thing. I used the vid as an example, not the person. Women definately have the same chances of developing amongst us a player of his calibur, but we need more players to ever hope to find that one needle in a haystack and we need more motivation for them to push that extra mile he does to get where he is.
Definately agreed, but we need more players for a realistic chance of this happening.
I like the idea of sending a Pro to play those in the losers bracket, that is pretty awesome.
I think a better idea would be some sort of Team event teaming the best of the female players with the best of the male. It would allow us to compete equally while putting some women into higher profile matches and into people’s eyes. It will also give some of the more promising female players a chance to practice and train with many of the top male talent they may not otherwise. I think we would get some pretty amazing matchups this way.
Maybe my wording is off.
What I am meaning is sometimes you can separate people into categories in some situations without actually being a bigot. You are kinda straw manning in response though.
There is a very natural desire on the biological level to segregate ourselves. Those we see as peers and those we see as potential mate material, it is built into our biology. On a rational level we know better, but if you put a bunch of men and women together they will judge each other internally on these things and they will segregate themselves. When we talk to people we instinctively either see a potential peer or judge them as potential mate material. We act different around the opposite sex. No amount of equality will undo this.
When people approach a new community, they look for peers and they have trouble finding them when it is overrun by either people who on an instinctive level they would put into the “mate with” pile, or who are prone to put them in that same pile. It becomes a lot harder to find a common ground and find people to look up to as an example. Even if many of us have grown past this, the fact is the overwhelming majority does it.
While in the grand scheme I would prefer we all were just equal at Evo and grew at the same rate, the harsh truth is the vast majority of female players will see no real representation and feel no compulsion to better themselves and we will have no real growth within the community. The same would happen if it was a female dominated game when there was a under representation of male gamers. People need a face they recognize and relate to and results that motivate them.
Sometimes too much equality can push people away and cause worse segregation, the people at Evo seem to realize they have to do something about it and I commend them. It just happens to be one of those “lesser of two evil” situations unfortunately, and more proof the world is shades of gray and not just black and white.
The heroes for women are out there already. Choco for one. Just upload a video, label girl all over it, and see how many new girl players join the game because of it. It hasn’t been many so far.
I am stubborn though. I think one of these odd years we will do very well when we go to Japan. Most of the time we get trolled though.
I do remember the SSF2 guys that came from America that did well in SBO.
In general, women tourney is very interesting indeed.
No, it hasn’t been many so far - granted. She’s an amazing player, no doubt…But there is a difference between participating and doing very well, and dominating most of the men.
Perhaps a good idea would be to look to a field in which a woman has entered an open competition in something, and dominated the men. There haven’t been too many examples of this, but there’s one that I can think of that had HUGE EFFECTS on how the game was played, attraction of a new player base, etc.
Google the name “Rui Naiwei.”
She’s the best women’s go player in history, the first ever to reach the ultra-elite rank of 9dan professional, and the only one ever to win the most prestigious title (the Kuksu) in the country where Go is the biggest (South Korea)
She is also one of the few players in the world who can claim a positive winning record vs Lee Chang-Ho, the greatest player of the past quarter century.
All of these accomplishments have added up to one thing - a huge boost for women’s go (called Baduk in that country) - with more televised coverage of the best female players, a greater percentage of funding for the development of women’s baduk (even in an era where overall funding for baduk has diminished, due to games like StarCraft competing for the attention of a younger generation, economic problems of the last couple of years, etc) and more parents being willing to send their girls to baduk school (you think being good at Street Fighter is tough? Imagine studying for 8 or more hours a day in an ultra-strict environment, 6-7 days a week, with no off-season, no summer break, from the age of about 5 or 6 until you’re maybe 18 or so, and then when you reach that age, only 4 or 5 people in your class have what it takes to become professional, and the rest? sorry, have a nice life. In no way do I wish to diminish the accomplishments of the top players in our scene, but honestly, Street Fighter can’t even compare.)
For the health of our scene, we need to encourage this - meaning we need to encourage women to play. and we need to encourage women to get favorable results, because they can, just as much as anyone can with dedication and the proper mindset.
Just like in every other domain in life where women were once either excluded from participation or marginalized on the sidelines, there will be a few reactionaries who fear change, but in the end, as a community, we won’t regret it.