You know exactly what it means, especially in a culture that does not and will not accept notion of mental health. This shows intent, but at the same time, the prosecution has to ask
Why tell the psychiatrist a head of time
Why post it on the internet
Why tell the police of the bombs
A response like, “intent, crazy terrorist, evil person” simply won’t cut it this time
Yes this guy killed 12 people and scarred x amount out of about 60 people. Even though this makes it a slam dunk case for intent, the question still has to be asked, why do all these things and tell all these people about what you are going to do.
I really hope this guy isn’t just thrown in death row and be left there to until he is killed. People need to study this guy a little before he is killed to make sure we understand why, and then apply what we learn responsibly to make sure we know what to look for and how to treat when we see the warning signs.
Pipe dreams. People have to learn to accept that there isn’t always a way to predict this type of shit. Maybe this type of logic would fly in a village community, where everyone’s watching everyone, and all business is out in the open, but we have privacy laws and all kinds of shit, living in huge cities and communities divided by all sorts of rules and categorization and whatnot. There’s also the business of the human mind NOT always (or ever) adhering/conforming to logic and statistics.
Its not pipe dreams. Its about being responsible and learning from shitty situations so we can respond accordingly and not have to deal with crappy knee jerk reactions. It doesn’t matter if the human mind is unpredictable, what matters is that we try and learn as best as we can so we don’t fuck ourselves with our ignorance as we clamor to pass laws that give us the illusion of safety.
thanks, I can read and I did understand what you meant. Probably you didn’t get my point instead… that is: saying such a thing when the criminal who’s the subject of this thread has a huge legal arsenal… is out of place and rather silly. It’s like writing in a thread about nazis: “but there have been other baddies in human history!”. We’re not talking about criminals in general, check again the title of this topic…
It IS quite the pipe dream. And no, what you’re proposing is about being irresponsible when dealing with shitty situations. 1. The unpredictable nature of the human mind IS what makes studying this specific guy absolutely useless. He can lie or simply not remember the truth or whole truth, or not even say anything at all if he wants to. Those 4 things by themselves can jeopardize the entire study. 2. If anything, we need to change OURSELVES and simply be more perceptive rather than try to look for some more clues that we didn’t find when in truth we actually already know of. What with the many blind spots that we as society openly and willingly ALLOW such people to have, opportunities present themselves to said pissed off person who can simply verbally clam up and abuse “privacy” to obtain whatever he wants and use it to hurt as many people as he wants. Besides, it’s already been said that the fucker gave out hints and shit before executing his crime. That screams that we ourselves need change rather than looking for anything new - because we know everything we need to know about this sort of thing anyway. If this guy were to walk out on these crimes, it’ll be a testament to the ineptitude of us all more than it is his ability.
No, the problem is that you absolutely can’t read, or simply have negative amounts of intuition. My statement completely invalidates yours on all levels. You are attempting to promote the idea of gun control for the masses who are legally obtaining guns when the MASS MAJORITY of gun crimes are happening with people who get them ILLEGALLY. This guy’s shooting rampage is but ONE case of a very few (as compared to illegally obtained gun crime) in which the guns were legally purchased. But fuck that, we need to control guns even for those who are legally buying them, so that YOU and other ill informed people can have peace of mind - until someone with an illegally obtained gun shows up and does whatever to you. Or barring that, someone with a weapon of any kind that’s superior to whatever you could possibly use to protect yourself with. With the amounts of bullshit that guy got away with all the way up to the shooting spree, he could’ve just as easily tossed homemade bombs or other explosives (he had tear gas, dude, tear gas) into the place claiming even more lives…
Because only GUNS kill people…
I suggest retaking high school language arts. Reading at such a level should be considered “out of place and rather silly”.
Actually, you’re wrong. There’s less privacy in a large city than a small village. I know a little bit about computer security lets just say.
The way he revealed everything and came quietly means he’s afraid for his life and this fear can be used to get more information out of him. The only other possibility would be that he was a just a plant from the FBI or some other government agency to make that horrible gun ban happen. The way he was a genius and then dropped out is too suspicious.
That’s all you’re capable of, so I don’t blame you.
Number of people able to witness you isn’t necessarily what I meant. Once you’re in your house, that’s it you’re protected. You make a purchase? Businesses are to keep that stuff private from other people, excluding law enforcement (maybe). Hospitals? The same, but even more restricted. Don’t get me wrong, I imply nothing, it’s merely something to think about.
You have no idea what I’m talking about and I’m not going to type up over a decade of information.
I’m just going to say that your cell phone knows where it is and that data is recorded and stored forever. If you use your credit card instead of cash, that data is there. Large cities have street cameras and constant drone surveillance.
Also, lol at that hospital example. Someone (authorized) showed me how if needed they could access remotely the entire camera system in a hospital without the hospital even knowing.
Your entire internet use is like an open book also and TOR/VPN doesn’t make you safe just like encryption isn’t security. If you’re really interested go take a security class.
Anyway, there’s not enough money in the budget to watch a random village in the middle of nowhere unless there’s someone or something of interest there.
So I completely whooshed what you meant, sure. Just because information isnt as secure as we think they are and/or privacy laws can be violated doesn’t mean the ones who’s surveiling us are all that capable - and I mean that also in terms of being justifiable - the laws are still there. Illegal evidence is as good as no evidence at all. My point still stands. The fact that he got that far with “all that” going on pretty much proves my point.
The boy is kinda right. I’ve been an american supporter for years however lets all be real here, America is a joke now. This is probably the country who leads in shoot out shits, at this time. Additionally it’s hard as hell to discipline kids now a days in america with out a bunch of shmucks claiming you for child abuse. You slap a kid in the ass for crying and forcing you to drag his ass through out the mall because you wouldn’t buy him/her a toy and candy, you’ll be looked at as a child abuser. Aside from that, America is the only country i know --who has a bunch of forum posters – think it is excusably normal for a man to wear make up, bra, g-strings, and a dress.
America needs to stop this girly-man attitude. If you guys could just come back and start ignoring the piss you left in public toilet seats, stop using condoms on prostitutes, think that Chris brown may have had the right to beat up Rihanna and finally demand that this Colorado guy gets his ass served then you Americans can be taken as a serious country again.
Nigga you the one who pissed all over the toilet seat and then got fired for it. CAnada is not better than the US, niether is any European country, nor any Asian country for that matter. All countries = shit atm
As for the country pride thing, I’m not going to bother, and I’d encourage the rest of you not to either. Similar to a statement that Eddie Griffin made, I can’t honestly understand how anyone can be proud of a piece of property they don’t even own.
It doesn’t matter, we as a culture should still put the effort to understand this behavior. even if its only one thing we can take away, we should do it. Your stance on it not being valid are premature and idiotic at best. Just because its hard to quantify or take anything from it does not mean we should not do it. THat’s complacent behavior that has no business in matters like this. And you really didn’t read what I said in my first post did you?
I said that we should apply what we learn responsibly, that also includes us changing to take these things a bit more seriously Perhaps its you who needs a high school critical thinking class.
So we ban firearms and strive to emulate countries which have bans? THat sort of behavior is toxic and dangerous. People who refuse to acknowledge the significance of firarms and what they empower, and are then willing to ban them so they can have the illusion of saftey have no buisness talking about firearm regulation or its outright banning.
You can throw stats all you want, but you aren’t considering cultural differences, and why gun ban works for them and not necessarily would work for America. Tell me, do you know why gun bans work for Japan, do you know why, how, and what started the weapon ban Japan has and why its so successful? If you can’t answer that questoin, then Im sorry but you need to STFU and stay out of topics that are too grown up for you.
lol, Japan… Japanese culture is my major, and I’m writing an essay on this. So trust me, I know much more on the situation of Japan regarding this than you.
you aren’t answering my question. Im a physics major majoring in quantum electrodynamics. See what I did there? I established a false sense of authority with out backing it up. You just did the same, please answer my question or stay out of grown up topics.
First of all, we already know what people are capable of and understand it, and if not, we can theorize and speculate. It’s not like we started studies in psychology yesterday, you know. The chances that we’re going to learn something “NEW” from this guy are next to zero. Also, what if it turns out this guy is in all likelihood just acting and did this shit on purpose - it’s not like completely normal people are exempt from thinking about killing others. This could all be an experiment to this guy to see and test just how fucked up our systems really are. Just because we didn’t think of this scenario before doesn’t mean we didn’t have plenty of prior examples to have drawn it from. In such an example, there’s clearly nothing to have been learned, we simply should’ve been paying attention. In the case it was a crazy person that appeared to be normal - another thing we’ve already conceptualized and/or already know about.
EDIT: expanding on last sentence - With everyone limiting responsibility to “the professionals” we also limit the amount of failsafes in play to stop this sort of thing. With the concept of privacy the way it is now ingrained in our culture, we aren’t sure when and when not to interfere in something that’s “not our business”. So on and so forth. With all this in mind, people “fall through the cracks” all the time.
The idea that we can always prevent this stuff from happening is but a bullshit control method used to put people’s minds at ease. If anything, believing said bullshit is the shortsighted, idiotic thing to do. There is no guaranteed countermeasure. Anything beyond reading people’s minds in real time on some Ghost In The Shell shit is not infallible.
Provided we learn something new, which I guaranty won’t happen. And SINCE we’re not going to learn anything from him, the only thing we can do is be more watchful ourselves. You’re clearly trying to throw focus on him in an “external now, internal later” garbage move where I’m saying it should be more that we adjust ourselves interally first, and stating that there’s enough external influences, evidence, examples and resources for us to come up with measures to help prevent another one of these from happening.
In short, clear your fucking head and stop idiotically assuming there’s something new to be learned from this shooting.