Hate America, dont be silly. Where would i get my laughs?
Keep deflecting. That will help the situation.
this is legit. i don’t know why people see (including canadians) as canada as some sort of nonviolent peace beacon. i used to live in the town with the worse crime rates per capita in Canada. only like, 70 000 people lived there and there was tons of drug and gang activity, and a lot of senseless murders every year. same with places like Winnipeg, and towns in Northern Ontario. It just doesn’t get publicized in the same way as it does in America, so it doesn’t seem as big of a deal.
EDIT: It was actually one of the worst in North America for crime, and had worse air health conditions per capita then anywhere in China…so there’s another thing out the window
but just out of curiosity…do you have any other examples to back this up? I hear what you are saying, but I don’t think were any more guilty of this then America.
your own words are out of pale in this case…this guy in detail had a whole LEGAL arsenal…
Pretty sure the US also includes drawings as CP now. And you’re put on a list and everyone in the town gets a letter when you move there.
And the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world.
actually canada is vastly superior to the usa. i dont really know how anyone can argue that. given how wealthy the usa is, we have one of the highest rates of murder, drug abuse, drop outs, infant death, obesity, and we score low on education tests, probably because half the population thinks earth is 6000 years old. the USA is superior to canada with respect to our military which is the most advanced and elite in the planet, our best universities such as MIT, Princeton, Stanford etc and such which are on the cutting edge of research, and similarly our tech companies/government combo which have the best innovation. we invented modern day computing. Funny enough though, with regards to universities and corporations, since americans are too dumb and lazy to not drop out of high school, those top schools and companies are enrolling/recruiting foreigners. its a massive brain drain, and the USA will only continue its downward spiral of failure. so essentially, a small % of USA is elite, but the rest is garbage. if we had let the south secede from the union a lot of these problems would have been solved…
also why do americans get all butt hurt when people insult their country? is it some kind of patriotism? who gives a fuck about patriotism. patriotism is stupid. it leads to stupid shit like the patriot act. if it bothers you so much go attend a monster truck rally while drinking beer and eating a hot dog and singing the national anthem im sure itll make you feel better.
What am I deflecting, exactly? Are we not on the subject of our attitude towards preemptive crime laws vs. yours?
And what this guy did was neither predictable nor actionable. Personally, I prefer effective laws based on evidence and practicality, rather than ineffectual laws based on knee-jerk reactions to crimes that are essentially random.
The U.S. pornography laws are vague enough that any shithead lawyer worth his salt should be able to weasel out of them.
And we have the highest incarceration rate in the world because of dumbshit knee-jerk reaction laws that don’t make any sense with regard to evidence that evaluates their efficacy. Which is exactly what legislation in reaction to rare and unpredictable crimes like this one would be.
…sooooo you don’t have any other examples to the claim you made?
even fucking worse
It isn’t about patriotism, its really about this snoobish attitude of im better than you because you are American. Like seriously is your country really that much better than ours? It isn’t stop pretending it is because its just as shitty as this shit country.
who cares if they say that, the fact is america is not the world superpower it once was, and its riddled with problems. we’re talking purely objective metrics like crime rate and level of education and physical health. if people want to think that they as an individual are better than you because of their nationality, that is stupid, because that’s comparing apples to oranges. or in this case, individuals to countries.
america = shitty country compared to other countries with similar levels of wealth. fact.
there is a wide range of people in america however, so blanket statements like that are obviously dumb, as are the people who make them.
personally its never bothered me, but that’s because i don’t identify with any one country, seeing as how i am not really fully american or fully chinese. i can change my cultural identity when it is advantageous.
There are. I’m not going to bother hunting for links, because the one I posted isn’t any more defensible if I don’t. Laws that will jail an innocent person for something as innocuous as possessing a fucking drawing* are unjust no matter how many or few examples are posted here.
Such a law evinces the attitude that the freedom of an innocent person is worth less than the comfort of a subset of innocent people–in this case, the prudes. If we were to extend this same attitude to the case of the Aurora shooting, which is what you are proposing, it would be the for the comfort of people who view themselves to be normal and, necessarily, who view weirdos to be threatening.
Once again, we are talking about legislating based on media panic over a crime that happens in this country less than half as often as people are killed by lightning.
*Which, it should be noted, factually will not make the possessor anymore likely to commit a crime than if he did not have it.
Shout-outs to the ending of Watchmen.
dude what. you completely lost grasp on what i was commenting on.
you said that.
i said that.
I am CLEARLY not proposing “to extend this same attitude to the case of the Aurora shooting” since I don’t even mention the incident.
You made a radical statement about Canada which, as someone who actually lives here, I think is untrue.
You made a generaliztion based on ONE example, which you were unable to support with others, making your analyzation very weak.
Maybe you thought I was commenting on the shooting…but I wasn’t. So sorry if there was a miscommunication, but you need to give more/better examples to let a statement like that be believable.
Suggesting we ‘allow’ our government to rule us unfairly based off one example is pretty ignorant 
i don’t mean to come of as one of those canadians who thinks canada is just magically without problems, or better then america in anyway. this country has its fair share of problems, i just don’t think the one you stated is one of them, and just want to be more clear on what would lead you to believe what you stated.
woah that is pretty interesting. i wonder if one could correlations one could draw between the individuals reality and the type of fantasy/fictional characters he chooses to relate to.
I didn’t. You edited your post after I responded to what you said, placing your post in a different context.
I’ve never claimed that America is perfect or indisputably better than any other country–in fact, much the opposite–but one thing we do indisputably better than you guys is protect the speech of our citizens. I’ve already brought up the example of pornography laws. Since you want another–though we’re getting off-topic–I’ll also bring up the fact that your laws don’t protect speech in the form of parody or satire. You have to understand why this is troublesome.
The parallel I’m drawing here is pretty clear, I think: there is a strong urge to legislate away things that make people uncomfortable, afraid, or offended. It doesn’t matter if it’s in the form of what people are allowed to say or what they’re allowed to do–it’s all the same impetus. My point is that this is an extremely bad basis for laws. It leads to innocent people being punished for crimes that have nothing to do with the practical realities of either freedom or security.
Try actually, you know… READING… Let’s pay some special attention to what I said…
Read this as, “most people who commit crimes with guns are getting them ILLEGALLY.”
hah i didn’t edit anything to change to context of my post man. the only thing I ever edit is my spelling, since i often make the mistake of using the wrong spelling for homophones (such as my brain will always spell ‘made’ ‘maid’ first’). why do you have such a hard time you made a simple mistake (one that I clearly addressed as could be an easy miscommunication) that you have to resort to making me out to be a liar? that shit is mad weak.
i have no problem with people proving me wrong, or giving me more information on their opinion, but I am not the type of person to go back in magically change what I say/meant. so please don’t blindly accuse me as such.
never accused you of claiming that…i think you are expanding what I was asking of you way past the point, which is where our confusion with one another lies. I just found the one opinion you had:
an interesting one and wanted to know where it came from.
Okay NOOWW i see where you are coming from with your point. That’s an excellent point about us not having proper freedom of speech in the forms of satire and parody, and is definitely a problem in some cases. It definitely plays to your opinion in the way sometimes people are misguidely accused of copyright infringement
However, I still think its not as bad as you may think its.
The Canadian government does an a decent job of listening to its citizens on some larger, social ideals, like internet freedoms and marriage rights.
I think there are other things we suck dick at WAY more then wrongly/improperly punishing innocent/guilty, and as I mentioned in the beginning, I don’t think we are any worse then America in that department
heheh i dodged the america vs canada bullshit here. But I did want to add, it’s not like our universities and colleges are backwater Devry Institutes or anything. McMaster is one of the top med schools in the world (and we gots Einstein’s brain), and UofT, McGill, and UofBC are among the top 30 schools IN THE WORLD. And like you said, the universities in America are scum, and are now turning down american citizens and lobbying to allow more foreign students, as they pay more fees and tuition than American students. And don’t even get me started on pretty much fucking over college athletes.
I’m not going to argue the point any further than this. What you see in my quote is the line as it appeared when I read it. There is more added to the line now that does not appear in my quote. I am inclined to assume that you edited it. I’m not accusing you of deliberately changing it to fuck with the meaning, but I am saying that what it said before did not make the same meaning as what it said after. And it’s what it said before that I was responding to. That’s it.
these are the only things you have quoted me on through out this conversation.
both of which have not changed since there original posting, and the only one you could possibly be referring to is the first one listed (since its the second one was quoted prior to your original counterpoint), which is only one line, and a pretty blunt statement, so its obvious nothing has changed.
and I am telling you, no. Nothing has been changed to alter the context of any of my posts.
is it impossible you just made a simple mistake? that in the bevy of words i wrote, you slightly misread or mistook something? Have some humility.
Does this strengthen or weaken the argument for insanity? I guess one could argue either way.
Defense: “He was likening murder to that of a child’s drawing, and furthermore he sent it in to a psychiatrist so he knew he needed help. Clearly he didn’t know what he was doing”
Prosecutors: “Clearly he knew what he was doing. Him sending it into a psychiatrist demonstrated that at some level he knew that he was capable of doing this”
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