So is that a yes or no?
Bitch plz, dont tell me to stfu, I own you for free. Also you do realize how many “new” things are are not sealed right? You worked at gamestop so Id assume you knew that.
Parry, I dont know where you got the idea that I actively play 3s, but its completely wrong. I also dont get what you think it’ll prove if you beat me.
Dont want to start drama or throw robin under the bus. and i know my voice is rarely heard but i got to voice my opinion anyway… This payout structure sucks:tdown:
1st off over 50 ppl…you could just delete that.
2nd over 20 ppl thats what we’ll prob be looking at for most tournaments… when did we start giving 4th place money. 20 ppl is what a tournament is supposed to be and 4th place doesnt get paid. 4th place is the 1st place loser. Take it from me I know. You get 4th place try again next time.
3rd If there are 21 people, 1st place gets less money than if there was 20 people whats up with that. If your rationale was to do this like its a poker tournament, its not. Because there will be 20-30 ppl per tournament. And in any poker tournament 1st place money only goes up not down…
4th When the hell did we not start paying off the best player in every game. They show they’re the best on that day, they get paid off. Who gives 1st place 50% of the pot… that is lame. I think you’re thinking this structure is supposed to promote new comers or be scrub friendly but it has the adverse effect in reality. The whole point is to be 1st and get paid this is why ppl drive hours and hours to get here. 1st place percentage of the pot should be etched in stone and be 60-70%. Of course theres always a little variance…70/20/10, 65/25/10, 60/30/10. It might not seem like much of a difference but it is.
I know you made these payout numbers up yourself and put a lot of though into them but i got to disagree. and call them bammafyed…
I don’t even understand wtf is going on? Didn’t seem like there was any real beef and between those two guys? I didn’t even know they knew each other. :lol:
Any ways…let’s move this shit on. 2 weeks before the tournament and I still got a good bit of practice and planning ahead of me. :tup:
BTW I thought 2nd place was first place loser. So at NC I was the 1st loser in Threes. 
2nd and 3rd place is nice but it’s just not the same as when you come out on top over everyone. The only reason I didn’t feel that bad bout getting 2nd was because MD/VA came out on top and my payout for 1st place was like 40 bucks shy of what I would have gotten for 1st at your average C3 event.
If anything, I think the payout system should be more balanced. I’ve always hated this elitist “only the best get paid” nonsense. Of the 30+ people who will probably enter 3S, only two of them have a likely expectation that they’ll get first, and at most half a dozen of them have any real chance at all, but a dozen or more people have realistic expectations of finishing in the top 8. If I had my way, I’d make sure that everyone in the top 8 got their tournament entrance fees back and then I’d start worrying about what to give the top 4. That said, Robin’s continuous-halving schemes are more fairly balanced and harder to criticize than most.
Back in undergrad in Cali, we used to have tourneys that essentially amounted to “Let’s Give X Visiting Player Lots of Money” tournaments. Top 3 got paid, if I remember correctly, on something like the 70-20-10 scale, although now that I think about it, it might have been even worse… can’t recall. Point is, it was retarded. Congratulations John Choi/Ricky Ortiz/Buktooth/whoever else, you drove the hour to Berkeley, here’s 100$ worth of our money, and we get almost none! No thanks.
Besides, the better way to get people to come and the better way to improve the scene is to make it more lucrative for everyone. Personally, if I played only for a chance at monetary rewards and I knew that only one person would get any real dollars and that I was not one of the best two or three players, I just wouldn’t show up. I mean, why go? There’d be no money in it for me. But if I knew that I could go and that 8 people would finish in the money, I’d have a greater incentive to get out there and play. That way, even if I were just among the top dozen players, I’d have a reasonable expectation of getting some dough out of it. Most people don’t play just for money, of course, but those people would show up in any case; this discussion is only about those on the fringe. And, obviously, bringing more players to the tournament is only good for the scene. After all, someone hearing from his friend that the friend got some money out of a Street Fighter tournament is a pretty good reason to pique that someone’s curiosity about the game and the scene.
It’s also very interesting to me when people say and do things that are clearly against their own interests. No more than half a dozen of the 50+ total people who will probably show up for the various tournaments have a legitimate shot at winning. In saying that you want only the winner to get any sizeable sum of money, you’re in effect saying that you don’t want to get any money out of this. It makes sense for those half dozen people, if they care only about money and not the scene, to want the unbalanced payout rate, but for everyone else it not only makes no sense as far as the scene goes, but it makes no individual economic sense either.
To me it seems like the question is whether you want to reward the best player for being the best to the exclusion of everyone else or the field for showing up and helping the scene.
I have no idea wtf anyone is talking about.
I will say this: Money is certainly NOT the draw, at least not for me.
Not everyone enters tournaments for the money. And if they do, well, then they are setting themselves up for disapointment.
Don’t nickle and dime the shit. Pay the top 3, screw everyone else. Who cares, I’m there just to have fun and get good comp in.
Money drama is the last thing anyone needs to worry about. If you don’t have 20-30 bucks (gas/entry/food) or so to spare to enjoy some 3s with a ton of people, then don’t go.
I don’t think changing the payout is gonna get more ppl to come.
I agree with this, but either way is still fine with me. More motivation to get better… maybe? shrugs
what could motivate people more than leaving with no money?
Well I’m biased I guess because I usually break top 8 but dont quite make it to top 3. Top 8 money would be nice, but maybe I would be less inclined to beat the top 3 as I am now. Those usually being EricL, EricK, and Exodus respectively
I really enjoy just coming out and playing and supporting friends. Money is a nice side bonus to aim for though.
shit. anyone willing to let catch a ride with’em.
Fuck paying more people. That’s loser talk. if you want money, get better. That’s like in Little League when everyone got trophies, even that kid that botched every play he was involved in. Fuck. That.
Top 3 getting paid is good enough.
If money is a real decision making factor, then you need a new hobby. There are much better ways to make money than playing SF.
BTW, this is coming from someone who hasn’t won a tournament since 2002…
Quoted for emphasis.
I’m against top 8 payout and this is coming from someone who made top 8 last time he was there.
Lol! Exactly!
how about you let me kick you in your nuts and then just hand me $10(theres no entry fee for this, baby), instead of letting Khang win, after giving some embrassing stipulations. Plus, you get to be touched by an angel(me).
you know where the money is. 3S teams BABY!
whatever happens in this tourney i hope someone gets footage of the chicken hunters in action.
chicken hunters > bounty hunters
Holy shit Chibi, bout time you recognized.
FLIPMODE FOREVA.
lol, thats what my friend always said.
the first time i got 2nd he corrected me a told me i was first looser.
Ok. I’m going to address this again. What really got me to change my payout structure was poker. Poker tourneys have sliding scale payouts, i.e. the more people in a tourney, the more people get paid. I mean, it is “harder” to make 4th in a 30 person tourney than it is a 15 person tourney. While this won’t get close to poker (i.e, in the WSOP, champ only got like 15% of the pot… good for 12 million, top 10% of the field was in the money), I decided to implement that here, with pretty good effect I think.
NC did 70/20/10. While i’m happy for Eric Kim, fuck that bullshit. I got 2nd in a 24 person 5$ tourney and got 24 bucks. You might as well have winner take all if you’re going to do that.
As for paying 4th place, at 21 people, 4th place gets their money back. 1st place prize money goes from 116 at 20 to 111, so they lose 5 bucks. At 22 people, they’re back at 116. So it is really only at 21 people… but you have to draw the line somewhere.
I’m seeing that people are mostly talking about 4th place, but it’s really not that much money we’re talking about. At 21 people 4th place gets 14.7 dollars. Basically their entry and venue fee. At 42 people (we’ve never had a tourney that big), they get 29 dollars. Compared to the 222 dollars 1st place would get in that situation.
Then 3rd place gets double 4th
2nd place gets double 3rd
and 1st place is double 2nd.
My payout system works. And I’ve seen it in action. Many people are pleasantly surprised with getting a 4th place prize, and I think it helps w/ positive reinforcement. It is never really the elite players that leave a scene, they make money off of it. The people that leave a scene are the guys that on a good day would get 4th place or something. The effort should be on retaining players, not alienating them by having tourneys where only 1 person walks off with the hunk of cash and acting like only l33t players are worth noticing.
Look, it’s too early for me to think clearly, but I stand by my system. The only arguements against it seem to boil down to:
- only l33t players should get paid. 4th place is mad sucky.
- Olympics only pay out top 3.
- Leaving w/ no money is motivation to get better.
Which are all weak.
Anyway, I would like Street Fighter to get more professional like in tourneys and what not. Can you name any professional tournament events that pay out 70/20/10, or even 60/30/10? Does tiger woods not get a check for getting 4th? How about Maria Sharapova, sorry you got 5th better luck next time. Nope. They both get paid.
I’m out, I’ll post more later.
Pro sports tournaments also have 100x the amount of entrants that these local SF events do, and the pots are also 1000000x larger.
Let’s be honest here: even in a 70/20/10 payout structure, 1st place in a 20-man tournament with $5 entry is not making any decent kind of money. It’s chump change. This isn’t ECC or EVO caliber. If you’re going to try to promote top competition from out-of-state to come to your events, you need to give them a reason to make the long trip. A 5 hour drive, $100 in gas, and paying for a hotel to win $50 for 1st place in ST is kind of pushing it. Now, you’re saying you’re going to give even less for first place.
I understand your argument for having more placings get paid out, but I really don’t think that getting your entry fee back, or even getting $10-15, is a sufficient prize to begin with. Getting low payouts like that is more of a slap in the face than anything else.
On the other hand, let’s be honest: there aren’t any people playing SF competitively for the money. You cannot make a living playing SF even if you get top 3 in every tournament you enter. It’s just not that kind of thing right now.
In my professional opinion, spreading the money out over more than top 3 is just dumb for events of this size. Again, this is not ECC or EVO where there is a lot of money to spread around. This is an average-sized local event that out of towners are trying to come in and attend to help build up the scene. Shrinking the pots for those that perform the best in order to try to pay more to 4th-8th at something this size is just retarded in my opinion, and will take away from the accomplishments of those who actually perform the best, by shrinking their payouts to the point where they barely even scratch the surface of travel cost.
Yeah I don’t get it. Just leave it at 70/20/10