Yeah my bad, doing this while at work so keep getting mixed up.
Legal modifications to make seminauto into full auto
It is more in line with i want registration regulated
Specific Mods should be outlawed
High cap mags
That is it
I also do not want psycho paths to get weapons
Regardless of whether or not criminals will do criminal things. Reducing gun ownership of “non criminal citizens” has a huge impact on gun related crime. Telling somebody something is wrong, and then having them go behind your back and do the wrong thing is on them. Telling them you would rather control it and have them misbehave in your house, and then they do, that is on you.
But does it have an effect on overall crime?
You can’t put gun crime on a pedestal, IMO. If you reduce gun crime, but the overall crime rate isn’t really affected, then it was all for naught.
When you are discussing a specific instance you can put anything on a pedestal.
Gun regulations in Japan will definitely have an impact on all crime. You can’t hold up a convenience store without a gun, but having written that it seems that robbery of the convenience store could be labelled as a gun crime. Which makes it hard to think of many issues which wouldn’t be labelled a gun crime. But I would put Japans culture and strict regulations on things such as drugs and weapons down as the reason they have the lowest crime rate of any built up nation.
Its impossible to say you can’t ban all guns when other countries have clearly proven how much it helps. I say ban them, all of them. And once guns are out of the way, there will be a lot more time and money that can be devoted to things like drugs and other things that are clearly responsible for tipping people over the edge.
Knives do require some competency. If your
All of these arguments you’re making have been pulled to pieces hundreds of times.
Yes, crime will still exist and criminals will get guns.
Yes, there have been terror attacks not involving guns.
Do you know what has happened in countries with stricter gun laws though? Less mass shootings. The U.S is the only place it happens.
Arguing for guns is like arguing not to have a speed limit. Yes some cars brake from high speeds, some situations are not dangerous to others by going fast, there are plenty of responsible drivers that wouldn’t abuse it. At the end of the day there are speed limits though because the shit people out there ruin it for everyone else. That’s just the way it is. It’s the way a lot of things are, some people are fine on drugs… Again, they’re too dangerous to just legalise because of irresponsible people.
But you haven’t done it once.
A death by a gun isn’t any more special than a death by stabbing or burning. At the end of the day, those people are still dead.
Yes.
Absolutely false re: bolded. Nobody cried when 37 people got gunned down in the Phillipines. Nobody cried when a gunman opened fire on a town council in Nanterre, France. The rest of the world probably didn’t even hear about it.
There’s no argument, nor comparison between the two. They exist in the US to the extent it is physically impossible to take them away. That’s not something that can be argued for or against, it’s a physical reality. Even if you suddenly banned all guns; until you remove them, there will still be hundreds of millions of them in circulation.
You’ll notice from this whole discussion that I’m fine with regulation, and keeping guns out of the hands of psychopaths, so you’re not making any sort of cohesive argument here.
If you have a means of removing guns from the US, let’s hear it. We all know how the wars on alcohol and drugs turned out.
Starting with buybacks would be a good one.
Making a large amount of guns illegal with heavy sentences would stop a large amount of people possessing them as they wouldn’t want to go to jail for being caught with one.
There is definitely a comparison as well. Cars exist too. Cars can go over the speed limit. People mostly don’t. Put laws and punishments in place for possessing certain weapons and things will change. It’s at least worth attempting.
You can try, but it still invalidates your argument.
You correctly identify the real cause below, so I’ll leave this part alone.
You absolutely can. Been there, seen it. Got a nail bat? A knife? A couple of buddies? Ask Michael Brown how he held up a convenience store. Oh wait…
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Culture, and the fact that Japan never really had guns in the first place, absolutely.
Do you know who also has a similarly low crime rate? Switzerland. Which happens to have the second highest gun ownership behind the US.
Go ahead and ban them. I really don’t mind. Just tell me how you plan to physically remove them from society.
As far as drugs and other things, prohibition on alcohol was already tried, like, nearly a century ago. There’s been a war on drugs since the 70s, and it’s pretty much failed.
We all know what happens when America tries to wage a crackdown on dangerous things.
You keep bringing up alcohol but you can’t even keep alcohol out of prisons. It’s incredibly easy to make. Prohibition also existed in a completely different society to the one we have now.
The thing about alcohol and drugs is they generally harm users more than hundreds of innocents.
A gun is an easy, convenient way to commit murder. Something that shouldn’t be easy or convenient.
We had buybacks, and still do. But, we have more guns per capita now than we did before Port Arthur.
You can still buy handguns with 10 shot mags. You can still buy lever action shotguns on the most basic firearm licences (Category B ).
All of the means to commit a massacre are still here. Most mass shootings are committed with handguns exactly like those we have available.
We’re just not stupid enough to go through with such acts.
100% things would change.
Convincing people to hand in their guns buy back or not would be tough. No doubt about it. But the USA government needs to just step up and do it. They are in charge and shouldn’t let themselves be bullied around by the populace. Yes it will probably hurt their image, but at the end of it all everybody would live in a safer country. A government should take charge for the betterment of the country.
After the buy back offer is out, there will be plenty of people still not wanting to hang on to their guns. Simple make it illegal to own them at this point and have drop off areas where people can return the weapons to be destroyed. When gun licenses expire make it impossible to renew them. And while all this is going on make it illegal to sell or buy weapons or ammunition. All law abiding citizens will comply, and those who don’t are criminals and criminals will be punished for their crimes.
Indeed, no death is more special or less special based on the weapon used in the murder. But by removing as many of those weapons as possible reduces the occurrences. But an important point to remember is that a mass stabbing is a lot harder to pull off from a hotel window.
Getting rid of guns will take a lot of work. But doing the work to reap the rewards will be worth it in the end. And the guns will be gone a lot faster than if they continue in the same fashion and never do anything about it.
I may have skipped over a message asking this, but I have seen people ask how he got the gun in the first place, but nothing on how he got the gun into the hotel room.
Wasted will never be done until the very last school is littered with smoking craters in the walls and splattered with the blood of its pupils.
Feel really bad for shooters the brother you know hes gunna get dogged on about this forever.
regulation only goes so far.
you cant police everyone + everything 100% of the time and succeed.
the UNIBOMBER made a 22 caliber fully functional gun out of automobile parts.
since he was a genius. crazy…but genius.
things that do make a difference.
-changing the gun culture from a…“guns are cool!” or “shooting in the range relieves my stress. shoot=relaxing” or “bang bang, guns are toys” into a “guns are tools created for the destruction of life which happens to be sacred. they are not toys, stress relievers, or cool.”
-increase and support the mental health services of the country.
-have everyone learn…talking about your problems will make you feel better. if your inner self is in turmoil, dont keep your feelings pent up inside.
im not opposed to regulation at all. i was a member of the NRA many many years ago.
but i got booted out when they found out i was a full supporter of the Brady bill which was totally sensible and necessary legislation involving background checks before your acquisition of firearms.
It doesn’t invalidate anything when the discussion is about guns and people discuss guns.
It isn’t about waging war. It’s about saying something is illegal and then when people break the law they face the repercussions. Not everything needs to be a war. Simply calling it a war gets people all antsy about it.
No matter how you want to slice it. Making guns illegal helps. Yes there are countries with people who own guns, with some low level crime stats. But those countries don’t have over hyped citizens who call everything a war and have to always fight everything. America is to 'merica for guns. Just accept it. The country is tense and super indoctrinated into an aggressive mass. If you didn’t have those handguns available those mass shootings would be less. And only happen by people who have the fire arm illegally anyway.
There is nothing but good that can come from outlawing guns.
My bad, I didn’t think of taking on a convenience store with a baseball bat. I wouldn’t have assumed that could happen. You have a point on that. But at least the patrons and shop clerk have more of a chance to defend themselves and handle the situation than they would have if there was a gun involved.
This will happen again, and again, while Americans are allowed buy guns whenever they want.
Twenty young schoolchildren were killed in Sandyhook, while a president who wanted reform was in office, and nothing changed.
Australia banned guns successfully.
But the 2nd amendment, drafted in 1791 was it, is still protected.
Drafted at a time when guns were largely inaccurate, and took minutes to reload after each shot.
Describing this as a tragedy is pathetic.
A tragedy is when something happens accidentally, or when a natural disaster hits.
This was inevitable.
Convince stores usually have bullet proof glass or more crazier ones have a button that they press that drops the glass down and take a dudes arm off. (More ghetto areas.)
Hysteria goes both ways and people scared of firearms isnt going to help the situation but makes it worst. Not to mention there are individuals that need firearms to hunt and sustain themselves with food and pelts. (Yeah there are people that still do.) A complete out law of guns is a knee jerk reaction for a country as large as the states.
That being said. This whole thing is fishy as fuck.
At 3:34, mysterious man has lights turned off & says “everyone on the ground is deceased.” From what I hear the wounds dont look like anything an AR15 would cause (more damage) and even then the videos of the shooting the guy was unloading atleast over 80+ rounds that would start the melt the barrel of the gun.
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=imeWqmK6VwQ
Guy calling in a radio show explaining how the shooter was and things dont make sense.
regulation only goes so far.
you cant police everyone + everything 100% of the time and succeed.
the UNIBOMBER made a 22 caliber fully functional gun out of automobile parts.
since he was a genius. crazy…but genius.
You can police 100% of the time. That’s totally doable. You put a law in place and follow up on it. Just because some people will do wrong doesn’t mean the law shouldn’t be there and people shouldn’t try enforce it.
I also feel people put to much into this mental health situation. Nobody will fix the brain of a person who is willing to do what this jagamo did. Help trauma victims. Help people with learning disabilities. Help those who have porn addictions. This can be done. Help those with a broken soul, never.
Speaking as a firearm owner and I love guns but
A gun ban would make the US a better place except it would take YEARS before the positive effects can be seen and we COULD see some really dark days right as it begins
how easily guns can be acquired and go into circulation is ridiculous
If not a gun ban then atleast strict gun control
Nobody needs an AR for self defense or any other reason such as hunting
You also don’t need 30+ round mags for anything
In a hypothetical USA where guns are banned or much more heavily regulated are the police still armed with them?