Anyone else think that gief’s FA is so damn slow in comparison to other people’s? It comes out so slow. It also doesn’t hit crouching people. This is very annoying for when I want to punish shoto sweeps. Instead of a crumple, I just get a whiff so the only use for FA is to dash out of it immediately and SPD. I find this a lot more difficult than just connecting the FA.
Question. Iv’e been experimenting with doing c.mk->atomic suplex, does more dmg and everythimng, so why is spd the bnb? I mean I know if they are a bit far away that jab will have more range, but when its a bit meaty, like knee cap/thigh range (sometimes off jumpin) it seems to be the way to go. Thoughts?
Also is there anywhere I can actually ‘see’ the ranges? Numbers are good for comparison purposes, but it would be nice to see hitboxes etc. ESPECIALLY lariat.
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Im with ya. I use Atomic suplex so much more often. To me, its just better. I love the positioning after execution.
I agree with both of you that positioning is better but the only thing I can think of to do the SPD is to get some meter back by doing a GH after it. Probably not worth it in the long run but could be needed in specific situations.
You get so much meter from Atomic Suplex. That’s another reason to use it.
the meter is almost the same 140 for supplex 130 for spd+greenhand
Yes Gief’s FA is slow, but you have to mention the range, its huge its one of farther or is the farthest, its great from getting in past fireballs to get close, follow up by a SPD. Punishing a sweep with an FA is not a good idea, a counter sweep is probably better or a green hand.
I’m not sure exactly what happened but I was playing against a Cammy one night and I was about to ultra her, screen flashes, then she jabs me out of it! How is that possible?! I thought the only thing that can get gief after the flash was Abel’s TT. Yeah, so Cammy’s jab beat out my ultra. I didn’t whiff or anything. I was right next to her. The screen flashed and she jabbed and beat me. On another note. I jabbed a Blanka out of his ultra the other day. It was kind of funny. I thought he had me so I was just pushing buttons. Apparently, I was too far for his initial hit to hit me. He went up in the air, came down and started doing his charge and I just jabbed him out of it as he was on the ground. He had no life left so I essentially won the match by cr.jabbing him out of his ultra.
Zangief thrives in a lag filled environment.
Does anyone know what the recovery frames are for an empty jump? I’m wondering if there is a way to counter Akuma’s raging demon when you empty jump over his fireballs and he catches you on the landing. The ultra has 1+4 start up. I’m not sure if that means if you can land and ultra immediately or not and try to beat him to it to counter it. I’m not sure how many frames there are for you to recover after landing an empty jump.
Random info.
Geif’s Lariat at SPD range…
3P - Stuffs E.Honda’s Ultra AND Super at SPD range, 3K will not.
3P - If timed right will Stuff Gouken and Kens Ultra, knocking them in the face before they start up. Most of the time your shoulders wont hit them are you are already in mid spin so Ultra will only hit with whiffed animation but will still hit you, not for the full combo though. Goukens Super will get stuffed. Kens Super if it doesnt get stuffed will go through with full combo.
3P - will Stuff Ryu’s Ultra and Super at SPD range, his Hadouken goes right through you as you startup your spin.
3P - Will Stuff Guiles Ultra and Super at SPD range, this is annoying for me since i main Guile.
3P - will smash ElFuerte’s super in the face.
3P - Fei long eats a lariat, his punches start medium to high, and lariate cracks him in the face for trying to punch him with those puny arms.
3P - Akuma gets face smashed. Your 4 frame start up > his ultra startup/Super. just dont stand point blank or he will grab you as he is invincible for 4 frames.
3P - Chunli also gets smashed in the face, althoguh her Ultra will move you across the screen before your fists can smash her hitbox. Same with her Super.
3P - This one you want to start up after Blanka starts his fall. Will crack him in the face as he is coming down.
3P - will trade with Balrog when spaced out, since rog will mostlikely use K variation Rush to try and trade you otherwise his P variation will whiff on oyur invincibility.
3P - will trade with rufus but you have to be a bit spaced, say out of his reach and then move in with lariat
3P - Goes through Rose’s Super, her ultra grabs you.
3P - Dan gets destroyed either way, ultra, super, it doesnt matter. Hell you can even EX SPD him out of SUper on reversal, (get tapped once from his punches)
3K - trades with sakura on last hit of both super and ultra.
3K - Will avoid cammy long enough to only get hit with the end combo of her ultra, on her super same thing last hit.
Well thats all i think gief can get by in regards to super/ultras.
ON another hand, EX Green Hand goes through Ryus Super and Roses Super. Timed right and it even runs through Ryus Ultra.
Timing is not even an issue when going through Ryu’s super. ultra. anything. Even 3K will go through it at any point, not even start up. I wouldn’t waste EX at SPD range if I could SPD or just Lairat. But…yea random, but true.
Is the info on the number of in-air frames available for other characters? Most of the other frame data threads don’t state how long a character jumps for.
edit: nm, found it on event hubs: http://www.eventhubs.com/guides/2008/oct/05/stamina-stun-dash-and-jump-rankings-street-fighter-4/
you can focuse Dan’s Ultra as well…I am sure most of you may know that though…
EX green hand beats Chun Li’s Ultra as well
OK, so I read the first page, but couldn’t find what I was looking. Does the armor for SPD have any real use? It’s like whenever I hit a Zangief trying to EX-SPD me, I just get past the armor and he whiffs his throw. Is it because of the attack I used or the weird property of EX-SPD?
I’ve never seen the armor on EX SPD do anything, but last night I did see the EX Atomic Suplex’s armor make a difference.
I had Ken in the corner and knocked him down, did an empty jump crossup on him into EX Atomic Suplex. He did Shoryuken on wake up and I absorbed the hit with my armor and proceeded to suplex him.
I’ve never seen this happen before, but its definately got me interested in trying out more EX grabs… :lovin:
EX SPD doesn’t have armor, it has invincibility.
So does that mean EX SPD will beat shoryuken (unlike normal SPD)?
is the SRK a ‘throwable’ state? I’ve never tried to ‘snuff’ a DP with it…shrug. I treat DP happy shotos like an AIDs infected needle with anthrax on the plunger
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I was bored today.