What is Gief’s answer to Guile’s crouching uppercut? Is my best bet a very early jumping mk? I can’t think of anything else.
Also, why is Guile allowed to backdash on wakeup and magically avoid my st.mp or cr.lk poke, unlike every other character in the game who gets put into block stun or is hit? What is the answer to backdashing Guile?
Lastly, why the fuck was lp SPD nerfed so bad? I can live with all the other changes to Gief, but nerfing the damage on lp SPD was just a kick to the nuts. I hate that shit. /rant
when you find out let a brother know. Cuz what ever that shit is, might work on Juri’s cr. AA normal as well. I’ve had mild success with j.HK on Guile depending on how early he hit cr.HP . Nothing including the kitchen sink could at least trade with Juri’s pussy punch AA.
A eureka moment hit me in this match-up the other day. You have to bait this bastard (i know, duh). Most Guile’s even when turtle-ling love pressing buttons when you get close. Bait a response then jump in. all it takes is one educated guess and you can even the score in a few seconds.
I think Gief can no longer empty jump in this game unless you been hitting you opp with jump in combos all round (hahaha, I made a funny), THEN maybe you can sneak one by.
Thanks man I’ll try the jumping HK. You are right about baiting though. I’ve also found that if you can get the right distance short empty jumping into SPD can give you the opening.
But again, once I get knockdown Guile is just backdashing on me and my usual tricks (st.mp and cr.lk > green hand) aren’t working. For whatever reason they go right through him when he is in backdash animation. Any suggestions?
I hate this matchup so bad now because with the damage and health nerfs I feel that Gief is barely doing any more damage than Guile, despite the fact that he has to work 10 times as hard for that damage. Epsecially the jab SPD as I mentioned before. Ugh…
If you know he’s back dashing, just gh or exgh him. I catch people all the time when they’re back dash happy. You catch them once or twice, they stop doing it.
this one lucky time I empty jumped and u1’ed Guile out of his u2. (The dude was 3200PP, so i know he was pissed, I’m 0/0, lol). So anyway for the life of me i didn’t understand why he went for u2 for my jumpin. DUH, I’m soooooo stupid. Guile’s U2 is basically a sound wave version of sims U1. This makes the jumpin EXTRA risky. Maybe I’ll get a boot in but so what I eat Ultra.
Have to find some solid ground tactics despite his superior pokes. The buffering EX GH doesn’t seem to work bc at the optimal buffer counter poke distance, its hadoken boom time
Just my opinion but if you are causing the Guile player to use c.hp AA then you are definitely getting to the right spacing for damage, short jump or empty jump if he is letting you get that close and spd or s.lk xx exgh. Guile is much more dangerous if he plays you at the far s.hp as AA range.
a well timed/spaced short jump can make him whiff, then lp GH over to get in his grill while he’s still floating down.
really easier said than done esp considering I’m a pad warrior and short jumping is just very 50-50 for me. Some Sims have wised up and don’t do snipers as much since lariat beats it. The j.mp kills the lariat aimed at Giefs head. So I suppose it all about reading the opponent before the “bell” rings and its too late.
Hmmm…interesting point. If I’m this close, how do I close the distance without eating those uppercuts? Short jump works sometimes, but is it possible to use standing LK/MP to poke Guile out of his SBs? I haven’t tried this, but in theory it seems like it might work. Can anyone confirm?
Just did a quick look in the thread and didnt see this.
What the heck recommendations are there for THawk dive spam? I block and sometimes I can dash, 360+jab, or brief step forward and RH. But if timing is off I eat a jab 360. sometimes he doesnt dive and empties into a 360.
I had one doing it as a I wake up and I was able to up+MP a few but still wasnt that effective.
And anytime I did a knee crossup or midrange jumping mk tick to 360, I eat his 360…
Its that dive thats really bugging me. Whats the optimal answer assuming no EX bar?
nj. HP (HB) when you see his condor dive, it will catch him. He might get smart then and condor dive behind you and you’ll eat a 360/720. Here you just have to gauge where he will land and you can empty nj instead and catch him 360/720
EX GH beats condor dive on reaction as well, once its in front of you
I’ve hit him a HK after a blocked condor dive without taking that step forward, timing is very strict though. Kinda like punishing honda head ram. Have to react the split sec you our of block stun
Honestly the condor diving Hawks make this matchup very winnable. HOWEVER, once a Hawk realizes that his normals are superior to yours (and his damage) he is going to turtle you and keep you out with his way better footsies. Now that is what makes this matchup a nightmare for the Giefmeister. I’ll be waiting for the strats on that.
Hey if anyone wants to work on the hawk match-up hit me up on xbl I have a pretty solid hawk. Was the number 1 bp on xbl for a while with him now I’m only top 20 but Im still pretty nasty with him.
The nj headbut beats alot of hawks stuff so feel free to get zangitrolly vs hawk. You can aa lariet trade with condor dive if it’s not a cross up dive. Blocked dive will fall different distances from you depending on wheredive hit you if it’s towards the back of your head u can spd the safest thing you can do is exgh to punish blocked dive. Wake up vs hawk doing cross up dive spam is wake up exgh. Also hawk has kind of crappy wake up options especially when he doesn’t have meter. I think this match is 5-5 maybe 6-4 hawk but if you can knock hawk down and then run the zangief vortex on him you can knock him out real quick.
also GGs the other night Zangisrk, Finalround_666, Manny (hyperblast)… 4 giefs in 1 room, damn. Its was fun none the less. But y was I the only gief in there attemping the cr. s combo guys? It really isn’t that hard ya know, especially offline.