I just watched some replays online. I swear, the people out there using gief makes me ashamed to use gief. The only decent gief I saw was a Japanese gief. And what’s worse, they all have tons of points! How do they have to many points playing like such idiots?! They must be playing a lot. I can see why there are so many complaints about gief now. It’s all because of all those idiots using him and some how getting away with it. The majority of the gief matches are some of the ugliest matches I’ve ever seen. I wish I could vote negative points on them. So for the love of god, up your games people. Stop doing all your stupid shit and making people think gief players are f’ing retards.
Umm, as I said before Schank.
Who are you?
Coming in the Gief boards talking all this junk. We are discussing strats and matchups and all you are doing is talking about what “YOU” can do all the time. Nobody said anything about you being wrong. You really do need to work on your reading skills. Key words being “I think” means this is what I think and does not indicate that you are wrong and even more emphasizes that I could be wrong. Just trying to have a discussion. Stop trying to prove to everyone here that you are the best Zangief ever. I know you are excited to be on the Gief message boards and all but leave all your hostility to sending post-match trash talk.
You don’t need to be on these boards flaming users for their play style. No where in there did I say that st.MP is the best choice for punishing lp.SRK all the time. I can punish lp.SRK with an SPD but sometimes I would rather have the 90dmg and what you call a bad reset works for me because I play more footsies than trying to land that big SPD punishment all the time. Do I lose matches sometimes because of it, sure but you know its a video game that I don’t win in all the time. I have a steady job and I don’t plan on being the next SF EVO champion so its not a big deal. I read more forums than playing actually since I work 10 hours a day at an office. I don’t play as much as I used to when I was in College / Highschool.
Are you just picking what you want to read? I also said in the same post that you can just insert your BnB combo after lp.SRK which can start from Lp.LK. or MP. But you neglect to read that part and just start flaming about what you disagree with.
This was all brought up with regards to someone elses post talking about Kens lp.SRK taking advantage of online lag. So yes we are talking about lag.
And yes you are being a forum newb. Be a little bit more mature and stop being a troll.
hey guys I need desperete help. I was fighting a chun yesterday. All she did was the jump split kick. over and over again… and lost 2 rounds just like that. when i go in she mixes it up with c.rh and more jumpking split kicks. GOD IT WAS FRUSTRATING. Sometimes the standing rh froma distance works, and sometimes focus attack works if timed right but it was hard for me. Anyone how to go around this ?
tldr
I’ll leave it at: A good option for punishing Ken’s lp srk is with an SPD or insert BnB. If you didn’t see it coming and react late (lag, lol), you can use a s.mp which can also be linked into a BnB, AS LONG AS IT WASN’T A MAX DIST. LP SRK.
But srsy… all I said was basically an empty s.mp is a weak ass punishment. Call it a flame, but when you say you “I usually just tag em with a s.mp and leave it at that,” you make it out to seem like this is a good punishment. I was only making the distinction so that players that might not realize the difference know, s.mp is nowheres near as good of a punishment as an SPD or anything that knocksdown and does over 2x damage. Keep getting offended LoLuMaD?!
You still didnt read the whole post. You are saying the same exact thing that im saying about BnB and Mp. And if it was at max dist you could hit them with MP too but not comboed.
“He was trying to say I was wrong like you are, which is not the case”
You are trying to read into what i am saying and you are wrong and attacking for it.
Ive seen your post to other people and all you do is say something along the lines of “WHAT ARE YOU THINKING. ARE YOU PLAYING THE SAME GAME?” and “Do you even play Gief or just read the forums?” Then say what you do and how they should do it. No need for insult attempts. lol.
Leave it at that does not imply that its great punishment. Its just stating that I it them and then see what happens next. You keep talking like i said that st.MP is the best punishment possible and everyone knows this is not the case BUT all i said is this is what I do and i leave it at that. Of course the punishment is weaker but damage is damage. We arent here to learn how to play like robots and all play alike because “this” is the correct way. The forum you are posting is is strategy. St.MP is not wrong punishment. Just not the most damaging as I stated in my original post.
Read my whole post and respond accordingly.
Im sure every player here knows that st.MP is not as Damaging as SPD. Thats common sense.
How can i be mad at you when I don’t know who you are? My post are long becasue im a long winded fellow.
I dont like beef with people over some forums stuff. Im done this is taking up too many post in this thread.
**Lets leave it at: st.MP is good punishment if you link it or not. SPD is better. if you cant get off SPD in time, do st.MP if you can link it or not. **
Thats all ppl trying to say.
GYGU and just play.
erry1 has their own styles as zangief…whos to judge them? maybe theyre more comfortable with a easy move such as st mp with no chance of a whiffed spd or a failed spd resulting in a jump…ppl play to their comfort level
no need to be hasty to ppl if they dont play like the ‘god’ you appoint urself to be
even tho if u ddnt intend to come off as that…thats just how ur posts seem…
this is a friendly gief forum designed to help our fellow zangiefs with any strategy problems or give tips…not to hate on people and callin em dumbasses…
we all share one common denominator…our hate of projectiles!!!
sagat as well
Clyde–
s.MP is not a good punishment.
You aren’t going to think “Oh shit! He just lp SRKed! Oh damn it’s too late to SPD lemme just tag him with a st.MP instead because lp SRKs are so free!!!” Sorry. In the fraction of a second that you react to the lp SRK, and think you are late, IT IS TOO LATE. You choose to st.mp b/c you are not able to consistently or just can’t do an SPD. There’s no “can’t get off SPD in time.” A lp SRK can be punished clean by lp SPD, no matter what range. st.MP is just easier to do, so you should just erase your bold statment.
If you refer to my post I said that “I’ll” leave it at…" You on the other hand, put your clearly admitted bad skill opinion out in bold for the whole forum to read like it’s fact. I was not going to even reply but you people need more trolls with all these newbs posting trash all over these forums.
EDIT:
Goddamn Projectiles - I most certainly meant to come off this way. Not to you, or with my original posts, but to people that quote my posts and call me out on things they didn’t even read. Then post more and more retarded stuff. I agree with what you say, but everyone here needs to realize I AM NOT A PRO GIEF PLAYER. I am an average ass player maybe even a scrub, but if I can easily do these things and I’m still trash, what does that make these people?
I’d put us back on topic but I don’t really know the Chun matchup. Block her overhead kicks high on reaction, and long sweep her st.hk poke. Don’t let her zone you with her projectile, but that’s not really telling you what to do about it. Haha
He’s saying it’s situational. Give the guy a break man. He’s trying to make peace and you continue to troll. WTF?! I’m getting kind of tired of all this arguing. He never said it was a good punishment and everyone should do it. He’s just saying if you didn’t have time to react and do a SPD, you can simply get them with a s.mp. I, for one, have tried to SPD people online after a lp. SRK only to eat another SRK due to lag or my split second late execution. If you are expecting the lp SRK, sure you can SPD it all day long. Some times, people will throw out the random SRKs that you’re not expecting, you can react much faster to it with a one button press rather than a 3/4 circle motion. I don’t know why you can’t understand this fact and are so stubborn to go around calling people idiots. You are talking like you are some sort of Zangief god because apparently, you will nail them with an SPD any time. Unless you are a robot, that’s not going to happen. s.mp is just another option. No one is saying that’s the best option, but it’s an option if you’ve reacted too late. But if you’re stuck in your mentality that SPD is the ONLY way to punish a lp SRK, then you’re going to be trying that every time even when you’ve reacted late and have no chance of getting him. I’ve seen so many giefs online that are so bent on throwing that all you see is whiffs after whiffs because the other player is smart enough to goad them into whiffing. You can’t be so close minded. Gief has a lot of tools, why not be open to using all of them?
i personally always try to sweep after a blocked lp srk not a whiffed one…allows for a knockdown and i can jump over or walk 2 em and see how they react then act accordingly…it adds in more mind games for me
however the online lag makes a huge difference for us gief players and a st mp that does 90 damage is better than a whiffed spd that results in a srk combo like a srk fadc to ultra or even a st hp to fireball fadc to srk fadc to ultra!!! although seems a lil wasteful lol but u get my point
lets all be humble here and accept each others differences
On blocked/whiff dp. st.mp. NO! SPD. NO!
Standing ULTRA FTW! I know Reaper will back me up here.
Flame me, instead! :encore:
lol omg block of text.
Sweep is a great knockdown option. For the one button press, it sure beats s.mp, just like a lot of other options. cough cough
What are you, 5 and can’t read a few sentences? The sweep comes out retardedly slow. You’ll eat another SRK every time. You think you’re so damn smart. I’m done talking to you. It’s like talking to a prepubescent teenager.
its actually effective when u hit it right after u block the srk…timing is pretty strict to avoid a 2nd srk…iv done it plenty of times and even in lag…it works
and hes just strong opinionated i guess i dunno…some ppl prefer mp some spd some nothing …not erry1 plays the same
lets not be middle schoolers here and learn to agree to disagree
interesting. that’s makes a lot of sense. What about FA? or FA canceling? I feel like as zangief i don’t use it quite often but i’d like to. what’s the best situation to FADC? during a block string?
On rare occasion you can use it to make EX GH safe. That’s its only use for gief as far as I know.
FA is good for a bunch of things. FA dash moves through fire balls. Watch out for multiple hitting fireballs and EX versions. FA attack is good to punish jump ins. I don’t know of any armor breaking jump in attacks, but Chun is one of the few ppl you might not wanna do this against as she has multiple hit jump in attacks. Also beats air attacks such as Bison’s headstomp and devil’s reverse. On the ground you can punish slower attacks (not lolariat) or the vertical versions of Blanka’s ball.
Overall, FA is an insanely powerful attack. With lvl 3 being unblockable, and being dash cancelable at ANY TIME, it can have some great setups. The EX cancel as stated above can also make a blocked EX GH safe.
lol sweep is retardedly slow at 9 frames. Can you tell me the block adv of Ken’s lp srk?
EDIT: Yes, I am still prepubescent. And still way better than you at SF4.
We’re not talking about blocked SRKs. We’re talking when they’re about 1/4 screen away from you throwing out random lp SRKs. You’re not going to react fast enough to get him before he throws out another one.
Why didn’t you say this earlier? how silly we all look now!!
Paging the webmaster to this thread to make this guy a mod.
DAMN I KNEW I SHOULDA SAID SOMETHING EARLIER! THANKS DUDE ILL POST A NEW THREAD FOR MY NOMINATION!
Troll or? I just played a Ryu who did this. He kept trying to bait me to jump or walk forward and lp srk to ultra. While I baited a few of them to wiff and LP SPDed him from such far ranges I knew he was cursing at me, I had plenty of time to react to these random srks before he threw out another one.
And what previous post did you say we were talking about 1/4 screen away throwing out random ones? I missed that post…
EDIT: Ken’s lp srk is -16 on block so even Long Kick can punish at 14frames. ha