Gief has way better oki, safer normals and 5f throw invincible command grabs.
I disagree that he has better oki, I think itās equal at best. Gief has EX Borscht to catch back dash/jump, but his combo damage output is very poor compared to Abigailās. Abigail also has an overhead, and st. strong is great as a pressure tool and to rack up grey damage.
After seeing more of Abigail, he luckily doesnāt have as large of a hit box at least in idle position as I figured he would. When heās attacking though heās obviously filled with humungous hurt boxes that Iām sure will give him some awful matchups eventually. Ones possibly even worse than Giefās worst. His button placement if done well should be scary, but those limbs in this type of game will eventually get sniped and whiff punished often enough.
Still too soon IMO, but at least the potential is there for him to be a big body that is actually competitive. I donāt see Snake Eyez or Itazan leaving gief. Itazan has Gief in his name and SnakeEyez just won a major with him. Theyāll probably have him on deck as a side character, but donāt see either of them full switching when they are doing extremely good things with Gief already.
So uh
about the Abigail match up
I feel like everything I do that I think will hit this guy whiffs and I can never get in on him
granted i learn match ups really slowly but im consistently losing to really basic keep away play
cant seem to find an area where i can contest any of his buttons
kinda like playing a platformer and barely missing a platform that you were sure you could jump on, except in this case its buttons and it is happening the whole match
Giefās buttons suck. Use headbutt and st. strong, theyāre the only normals that donāt extend his hurtbox halfway across the damn screen.
no guys, i got it
fighting abigail is like, when youāre climbing stairs and you put your foot down but you misplaced it and lose your balance, bc you thought a stair was there but it wasnt
Fighting Abigail as Gief is like a declawed kitten fighting a lion. You canāt get in because of st. and cr. jab/strong and his damage output is ridiculous. He on the other hand can just bypass the neutral with Nitro Charge, as it forces you on the back foot no matter what he does.
I play my friend a lot who has developed a really strong keep-away game with him. He doesnāt spend meter but saves it for CA, effectively eliminating his only weakness (being free on wake up). The guy has lightning-like reflexes and execution so he also effectively uses CA as an AA. Itās infuriating, itās like trying to take down a fortress defended from all sides. I hope at some stage some tech will be discovered that will make this match up more bearable, as right now Iād rather play Guile than Abigail.
Itās still early days, but I think I was right on the money when I said that Abigail makes Gief superfluous.
i hate new move of zangief make me accident many time need change command from p to k or delete this move
^ Agree with this guy!! Havenāt felt the hurt of the Gief vs. Abi yet but if its half as annoying as the Birdie MU,iām not going to be happy fighter!
Donāt know if anyone still cares, but Snake Eyez played a first to five exhibition match against Idom:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=n6-QfK9u934
Snake Eyez won the first match and Idom won five consecutive matches after that, with Snake only taking one round. Here we have the best or second best Gief player in the world being bodied by some Laura who nobody knew three months ago, yet Laura players are crying that this is an 8-2 matchup in Giefās favor.
YES!!! I really hate how the command move is punch and not kick. It really should be kick so it would not interfere with the SPD motion. There have been SO many times I mean to do an SPD when I get the opportunity to get the opponent only to whiff into a Tundra Storm. Very frustrating.
Switching the input will make it more playable yes but who the @#$% cares! A counter that only works for Kicks and can be punished for CC? Garbageā¦#deletethismove
*horizontal kicks 
Oh yeah i forgot about that. Just makes Tundra all the more appealing -_-
The knee hammer nerf is fucking huge
dude
Gief is dead
Yeah, I said the same in the general thread. Gief got hit hard. The whiners got what they wanted.
On a positive note, they buffed Tundra Storm. It went from āmove-that-got-you-killedā to ācompletely uselessā. So thereās that.
Jesus, these notes canāt be accurate. If soā¦RIP
SPDās are even more punishable now? Huh? LMAO.
Somebody link me those changes! Iāve only heard on the grapevine about the universal Command Throw nerfs.
I dont care on it cuz SPD was originally super punishable
It is just now go from super punishable to mega punishable, not a big deal
But i cant afford the knee hammer nerf!