Yang Q&A: Ask simple questions here!

[Cuz]

Since this thread will probably help idiots like me, maybe add his specials with a brief discreption in the first post? Even if it’s just a copy / paste from 3s. Same thing for Yun.

[Dustlooper]

Since this thread will probably help idiots like me, maybe add his specials with a brief discreption in the first post? Even if it’s just a copy / paste from 3s. Same thing for Yun.

3S explanations, but a little bit of SSF4 inputs.

SPECIALS

:qcf::p: x3
Yang’s Rekkas. :lp: is safe on block (first hit), :hp: is safe on block (up to second hit). Not as good as Fei’s, but certainly good. The :lp: version can easily be used as a poke, as could the :hp: version. EX Rekka is fast as hell and covers a shitfuck load of distance. FADCing the 2nd hit of HP rekka leaves Yang at +6 (block) or +10 (hit).

:dp::k:
Yang’s ‘Teleport.’ Like Ibuki, he can be hit out before he turn invisible. Useful in oki (i.e, after a knockdown), but that’s about it.

:qcf::k:
Yang’s Dragon Kick/Roll Kick.:lk: version goes straight up. :mk:, :hk:, and EX versions roll before kicking. Can be used as an anti-air, but a somewhat-awkward angle. Can roll through projectiles. Launches, FADC-able (I’m pretty sure, at least).

:hcb::k:
Yang’s command throw. Grands the opponent and flips over him, similar to Fei Long’s. You can combo after the command throw. Good for mix-ups, tick throws, and other stuff.

:qcb::p: or :qcb::p::p:
Yang’s palm. Beats fireballs clean. Using 2 punches is a feint. Good meter gain after beating fireballs with palm.

COMMAND NORMALS AND TCS
:r::mk:
Yang’s overhead. It’s an overhead. Similar to Juri’s in animation.

:df::k:
Yang’s divekick. It’s a divekick

:mp::hp::l::hp:
Yang’s TC. Knockdown. Quick. Decent damage.

:lk::mk::hk:
Another of Yang’s TCs. Not as useful. Has to be done pretty quickly.

j.:mk:, :df::k:
Yang’s aerial TC. Does a quick kick and a divekick. Can provide for a mix-up.

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NOTABLE NORMALS

cl.:mp:
Good priority. Special-cancelable.

cl.:mk:
Launches. Good priority, yet again. Was jump cancelable in 3S, so I assume it will be in AE.

c.:lk:
Decent poke. Special cancelable into rekkas.

c.:lp:
Good, quick poke. Sets up a lot of combos for Yang.

c.:mk:
Like Ryu’s, but a bit shorter. Cancelable into rekkas. Good, quick–think Ryu’s c.mk for the most part, but just a bit different (someone will flame me for this comment).

c.:hk:
Not the best range for a sweep, but relatively quick and provides a knockdown. Yang loves his knockdowns.

COMBO SAMPLES

1. Crouching LK x 3 -> Mantis Slashes HP
2. Crouching LP -> Standing LP -> Crouching MK x Senkyuutai
   3a. Crouching MK x Mantis Slash HP (first two hits) ~ EX Focus Cancel Dash -> Tenshin Senkyuutai
   3b. Crouching MK x Mantis Slash HP (first two hits) ~ EX Focus Cancel Dash -> Close Standing MK -> Dash -> Raishin Mahha Ken
   4a. Zenpou Tenshin -> Close Standing MP x Senkyuutai HK OR Close Standing MK -> jump cancel Dive Kick MK (whiff) -> Tenshin Senkyuutai/Raishin Mahha Ken
   4b. Zenpou Tenshin -> Close Standing MK -> jump cancel Dive Kick MK (whiff) -> Tenshin Senkyuutai/Raishin Mahha Ken

? Notes: Combo 1 is your basic combo starting from a low attack. Remember, like combos similar to it, the second and third Crouching LK is a link so you need to be careful. Combo 2 allows you to go for a knockdown with Senkyuutai. The link from Stand LP to Crouching MK isn?t that hard so this combo is pretty easy. You?ll have time to work with this one. Combo 3 is special because the reelback from Mantis Slash HP is pretty long, which you can use to your advantage. However Mantis Slash HP snaps out quite fast so although you don?t have a lot of time, you can still do a EX Focus Cancel into dash for a good combo. Combo 4 is your standard combo from the throw exchange. If you don?t have enough meter for an ultra combo, go for the first variation, otherwise go for the second, more damaging one.

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Okay. I’m done.

[De4dEyE]

just a quick note, yang had no dedicated anti-airs in 3s. c.fierce is very specific, and short rolling kick was as well.

the most he had was a trip guard low forward xx slash, since his low forward dropped his hitbox down.

I asked ricky about yang, both him and justin said that yang’s ex slashes are kind of garbage. they’re fast, but don’t go far enough. they said that it was best to save the meter for ex teleport.

[Cuz]

@Dustlooper, that’s 4x more than what I expected. You’re ace. Thanks.

[Dustlooper]

just a quick note, yang had no dedicated anti-airs in 3s. c.fierce is very specific, and short rolling kick was as well.

He had parry. You mean they needed AAs in 3S? =p

But, you’re right. I also liked far standing forward for an AA.

If you’ve any questions, Cuz, throw 'em out.

[Dustlooper]

just a quick note, yang had no dedicated anti-airs in 3s. c.fierce is very specific, and short rolling kick was as well.

He had parry. You mean they needed AAs in 3S? =p

But, you’re right. I also liked far standing forward for an AA.

If you’ve any questions, Cuz, throw 'em out.

[Cuz]

I never played 3s so I wouldn’t even know where to begin

[Dustlooper]

I never played 3s so I wouldn’t even know where to begin

GGPO would be a reasonable place.

[Doopliss]

:qcb::p: or :qcb::p::p:
Yang’s palm. Beats fireballs clean. Using 2 punches is a feint. Good meter gain after beating fireballs with palm.

Well, in AE LP Palm is the feint version because there’s an EX version of the move, right?

[Cuz]

Well, in AE LP Palm is the feint version because there’s an EX version of the move, right?

Yun, by Tokido
For Byakko, Yun can cancel out projectiles with the MP and HP version while gaining a ton of meter. The LP version is used for feints. The EX version grants Yun lower body invincibility on start up while at the same time bounding opponents off the wall on hit, allowing for follow up attacks.

I’m guessing it’s the same for Yang?

[Dustlooper]

Well, in AE LP Palm is the feint version because there’s an EX version of the move, right?

I assume so. But palms weren’t ever the big part of Yang’s gameplay.

Yang’s a very simple character. You sort of are given the tools and go. I’ll throw this quote out, because I like it.

Yangshit

Spoiler

For newer players, Yang is the character that will teach you how to be creative. It’s the unwritten combos and moves here that you will use through all fighting games and is what separates a good player from a great one. Don’t know what I’m talking about? A good example of an unwritten move/combo is called the Kokujin Special. Named after Pink Pizza Beast Kokujin the Dudley player of course. To do it you whiff a Jumping Fierce Punch right before you land and execute an EX Uppercut the moment you land on the ground.

The thing with Yang is he’s very straight forward. Here are the tools, wreak havoc with them. But you know your tools and your opponent knows your tools so you have to surprise them. Yang revolves around the same handful of moves and can be extremely predictable.

Yang might be the character that needs the surprise factor the most. He really only has one way of dealing good damage. And they all can be seen coming if you’re careless.

Well I’ll give you some examples of some unwritten combos to use:

If someone is stupid enough to shoot a fireball at you go under it with EX Rolling Kick and Jab to reset them. Immediately follow up with a Short Teleport. You are in the perfect position to command grab or do whatever you want.

Here’s something the Japanese player KO uses. Do a launching Forward Kick and then cancel into a super jump towards your opponent. If it hits: you know what to do already. If it’s blocked: hold Down-Back and press Short to do a Short Dive Kick. Now it happens so fast even if you don’t end up going over your opponent you have to do the Dive Kick in the opposite direction because the game treats you as if you were on the other side. If you hit your opponent with the Dive Kick from the front or they block: you are in perfect position to command grab or do anything you want. If you hit them from behind or they block in the opposite direction: you’re outside the command grab range but you’re still in good position. You may or may not be in sweep range depending on the angle you Dive Kicked.

Now KO has a follow up to this combo if you go over your opponent. It’s especially good if you use that combo more than once a round. After he’s on the other side of his opponent about sweep range from them he jumps (not superjumps) over his opponent and does a jumping attack. If the opponent tries to create space from Yang by jumping KO will knock them out of the air. Use Jumping Roundhouse Kick for beating out moves and guaranteed damage. Or use Jumping Forward Kick, and following up with Forward Dive Kick if it hits to close the gap. So if you manage to jump over the opponent you will end up in a position where you can command grab your opponent if you so choose. A little warning though, you may not be able to jump over tall characters like Hugo all the time. It depends on how close you are to them after the Dive Kick.

That pretty much sums up Yang.

[samiamx50]

So some of his special move inputs have been changed since 3S? I mean, DP + K was his teleport, HCB + K was his command grab… Have those changed or are they typos?

[Dustlooper]

So some of his special move inputs have been changed since 3S? I mean, DP + K was his teleport, HCB + K was his command grab… Have those changed or are they typos?

Typos.

cl_yang.pdf

[Jethro]

Can anyone explain to me the difference between Yun and Yang’s supers?

[Doopliss]

Can anyone explain to me the difference between Yun and Yang’s supers?

Yun: Moves can cancel into eachother, infinite juggle properties on all moves, alternate properties on special moves.
Yang: Gets two afterimages.

I think that’s it.

[Blooddrunk]

Yun: Moves can cancel into eachother, infinite juggle properties on all moves, alternate properties on special moves.
Yang: Gets two afterimages.

I think that’s it.

But both are given a truckload of Frame advantage after moves

[Jethro]

So Yang’s super, it’s like soul illusion?

[Blooddrunk]

So Yang’s super, it’s like soul illusion?

Pretty much a mix of that and Vism,

Yun’s would be more of A-Groove from CVS2 except… better.

[Doopliss]

But both are given a truckload of Frame advantage after moves

Yang gets it because his aftermiages hits after he does. Yun… doesn’t?

[Dustlooper]

It’s hard to know the specifics until we get the console version.

All that’s worth knowing is it allows combos otherwise impossible. It’s also worth noting how damage scaling does–or doesn’t–effect the supers.